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[Lord_Scather]

Ok, as I always understand the thing about emulator "ROMS", they are NOT abandonware. You MAY download them and play them for 24 hours, but U have to delete them afterwards IF YOU DON'T OWN THE ACTUAL CARTRIGDE. So if you leave them on your HD, CD, whatever, and don't own the original game, and someone finds out........bad news for your future plans.

Emulators+ ROMS were intended to work as "Backups", as you obviously couldn't backup, say, an SNES cartridge.

This of course is only true with the still licensed consoles (NES, SNES, PC-ENGINE, GAMEBOY, and of course, the PSX, ...)

With Amiga and other early home-computers (C64) they are mostly real abandonware...

but again, the necessary <system romfiles> to use these emulators are NOT.

maybe off-topic, but I noticed several requests and felt not many ppl knew about this.

plz correct me if I'm out-of-date.

I used Emulators a lot, but I also owned the actual consoles and games, too, so I'm on the safe side. (keeping my smashed SNES just for the legal issue)

All abandonia admins: plz delete this spammy post (or tell me to) in case you already have such a warning or I overshot. thx and sorry

[Omuletzu]

nice of you to let us know.I for one learnt something new from your post(because i never used amiga, snes, and any other such contraptions)

also i think i'll move this, but i don't really know where.... hmmm maybe 3xblah

[Tulac]

AFAIK that 24h rom thing doesn't exist, it was invented by rom sites...
But why wouldn't NES, and SNES roms be abandonware, it's not like you can buy them anywhere...

[Timpsi]

Originally posted by Lord_Scather@May 24 2005, 08:50 PM
So if you leave them on your HD, CD, whatever, and don't own the original game, and someone finds out........bad news for your future plans.

The same with abandonware. And the 24h thing is humbug, it doesn't have any basis on anything that would even remotely resemble legistlation.

[Eagle of Fire]

You MAY download them and play them for 24 hours, but U have to delete them afterwards IF YOU DON'T OWN THE ACTUAL CARTRIGDE.

This is completely false and is an internet myth. In fact, as soon as you download a rom you are breaking the law.

The reason behind this is that it is mentioned in the law that you can make a copy (and only one) of any media you have (like, for example, a PC game) as long as it is only as backup for your own personnal use. If you download a rom from a site then you are downloading the "backup" of someone else and thus get in violation of the law since it is very well mentioned that you can't give or sell that "backup" in any time unless it come with the original game and is part of the selling deal. You are also supposed to destroy the "backup" when you sell or dispose of the copied media.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Lord_Scather@May 24 2005, 01:50 PM
Ok, as I always understand the thing about emulator "ROMS", they are NOT abandonware. You MAY download them and play them for 24 hours, but U have to delete them afterwards IF YOU DON'T OWN THE ACTUAL CARTRIGDE. So if you leave them on your HD, CD, whatever, and don't own the original game, and someone finds out........bad news for your future plans.

Emulators+ ROMS were intended to work as "Backups", as you obviously couldn't backup, say, an SNES cartridge.

This of course is only true with the still licensed consoles (NES, SNES, PC-ENGINE, GAMEBOY, and of course, the PSX, ...)

With Amiga and other early home-computers (C64) they are mostly real abandonware...

but again, the necessary <system romfiles> to use these emulators are NOT.

maybe off-topic, but I noticed several requests and felt not many ppl knew about this.

plz correct me if I'm out-of-date.

I used Emulators a lot, but I also owned the actual consoles and games, too, so I'm on the safe side. (keeping my smashed SNES just for the legal issue)

All abandonia admins: plz delete this spammy post (or tell me to) in case you already have such a warning or I overshot. thx and sorry

The 24 hour thing is just utopia.

You might be able to fight to have roms of the games that you own, but even that is illegal, as creation of roms is actually copying, and you don't have license to reproduce roms, just to use them.

As for Amiga, again, software is intelectual property and most of the software for amiga is not abandoned, even the computer is dead for almost 10 years now.

For example, only back2roots was able to get some permissions to host some of amiga games, and most of other sites are illegal. Some developers offered their games for free (for example Thalion, creator of Lionheart)

But you can purchase Cloanto Amiga pack, where you'll get needed kickstarts for emulation, and that is legal way to do it. (also you'll get couple legal games )

What is background idea for this post?

To make you feel better or to 'legalize' your use of roms?

[Tulac]

But I ask you what is the difference between abandonware and old roms(C64, maybe even NES)?

[Eagle of Fire]

The main difference is that software is not material like cadridges which use electrical components to create the information. Since a CD or a floppy is only the media on which the information carry on then a software is not "permanent" or "materialy definite". If you would copy a software and then erase the original then the "copy" can still be considered as the original since they are identical in all aspect. In fact, that's exactly what your computer do when you "move" folders on your computer.

In the case of roms, whatever you do the first person who did the copy will always have the original cadridge in their possession. Having a virtual and playable copy in your possession on another media still make it a copy, whatever way you want to turn it into.

[Flop]

Originally posted by Anubis@May 24 2005, 11:26 PM
What is background idea for this post?

To make you feel better or to 'legalize' your use of roms?

Go easy on the guy. I think the background for the post was simply to enlighten people about roms and emulators. The 24 hours thing is, as many people have pointed out, NOT true (although I suppose there might be countries that allow this).

But personally I don't think there's much of a difference between this and regular abandonware. When you download a game from abandonia, you're breaking the law, too. If you only want games that are legal to download, go to abandonia reloaded.