Lands of Lore - The Throne of Chaos

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Undertaker@Oct 17 2005, 07:07 AM
Just... wow. Could you show me how to look at the savegames like that? All I've been able to do is to open them with hex-edit!

Did you read about the plans to make a fangame? It's been halted because EA won't allow us to do so. But when we continue the project, this will prove to be valuable information. Would you like to join the project then?Thank you. As I said, it is the result of the analysis. Changing one or two bytes, comparing, changing again... Nothing but hex-edit and own mind as the tools. There isn't much work when the effect is clear (though there are still many bytes I cannot understand yet). At present I can say I understand most of the characters' personal information, know how to manage items and spells in album. Not that much, but I keep exploring.

Thank you for your offer. Yesss, it would be pleasing to join your project, though I cannot promise I will always have enough time. Well, we will see.

In case of troubles with this forum, I have the email address:
[EDITED]
(please don't forget to insert the word "Lands" into the subject).

[Undertaker]

Don't worry about having enough time, because we all have that problem! :ok:

Do you by chanche know the effects of leveling up, aside from increasing HP/MP? I have always wondered about that. I suppose Fighter will increase fighting damage, Rogue hit/evade %, recovery time and possibly bow/crossbow/throwing damage and Mage magic damage. The reason that I'm unsure is that these effects either don't exist or are very, very small.

My email address and MSN is [EDITED]

[Undertaker]

I've looked up some values I came up with some moths ago:

Timothy/Baccata/Lora/Paulson: 100%

Kieran: 100% * 5/6 + 2
Ak'shel: 100% * 14/15 (not bad for a dracoid!)
Conrad: 100% * 17/12 + 5
Michael: 100% * 89/60 + 8

I have never fully checked these values, but they seemed true for the dagger and Justice. But things change now you cleared up that you have to take the integer values, instead of rounding down or up.

You're right about all of these values. Mine are not far off, except for Conrad's! :wall:

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Undertaker@Oct 17 2005, 10:08 AM
I've looked up some values I came up with* some moths ago:
...
You've found it without hex-codes? Congratulations, very good estimation. I am not absolutely sure about my bonus values (inside the file there are different values. I can explain how they can produce 7,3, and 0, but no proof...), so maybe it's you who are right here.
Taking the integer value is the same as truncation towards 0.

Looks like mage level affects the time for recovering. No extra damage, as far as I know (I will check this soon). Not sure about the extra damages or chance to make successful blow for fighter and rogue levels - this might be true, but no easy way to check.
I've heard the opinion that high rogue level also helps you to find the items in trunks etc. (in addition to picking the locks).

By the way, there seem to be 2 hollows in Southern forest, 2 stumps in Yvel woods and 2 other in Upper Opinwood where I've never found anything. So the most noticeable items available in such places are: an axe, green skull, two bezel rings, 3-stoned bezel cup, star "Polaris", green skull, wand of Lightning... Can anyone remember other items, of course not salves, aloe, ginseng, oil, swarms and coins?

[Reanimator]

I have learned that the recovery time for magic and physical strikes is not the same (for Kieran and possibly for all others). Also there's no matter what fighter and mage level does character have, but the rogue level causes fighter recovery time shortening. :max:

[Undertaker]

About the might modifiers: I believe yours are more accurate, if not correct.

When you succesfully strike a monster, your recovery time is cut in about 1/3. In the disk version, when you made it to Rogue level 7 (without item bonusses) you're recovery time will be about equal to that recovery time. Kieran either always strikes with that speed or somewhere around that.
This speed bonus was nerfed in the Cd version though...

Rogue level also helps to pick locks (duh). I don't know about item finding, but it might be true; when I played the game some years ago, I always leveled up a lot. I usually found one Bezel Ring in a tree hole. But nowadays I don't level up much and I can't seem to find it...

In one of the posts here is a guy that thought he had once found the Zephyr Ring in a tree hole. The Zephyr ring can be found in a chest behind the door with the Fancy Lock, so it can't be found normally. It cuts your recovery time in 1/3.
It could be a theory that, if your Rogue level is high enough, this ring can be found in a tree hole.
But it's more likely he confused it with the Bezel Ring! :D

Now onto something completely different...

Do you remember that button in Castle Cimmeria level 2, that didn't seem to do anything? It's in the south part of the level, on a north wall. Well, it indeed does nothing, but behind it is a chest with a Cloud Ring. The effects of this ring are still unknown...

[Gamefreak]

I was able to find the Zephyr ring, too, and I still remember that the recovery time after a hit was pretty decreased for Maikel with that ring, as if he would be Kieran. I don't remember when I found it, though, but the ring can be found normally.

[Maerryji]

Seems now I understand how to check the delay values. The results will follow (maybe not today).

The button that dissapears when you press it? Clear, thank you.
Maybe you also know something about these four buttons along a corridor on Tower's second floor?

[Reanimator]

I think that if Bezel ring saves the owner from poisons and other negative effects, then maybe Cloud or one of the other rings saves the owner from stun (:crazy:)?

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Oct 17 2005, 12:37 PM
The button that dissapears when you press it? Clear, thank you.
Maybe you also know something about these four buttons along a corridor on Tower's second floor?

I think that if Bezel ring saves the owner from poisons and other negative effects, then maybe Cloud or one of the other rings saves the owner from stun ()?
No, the button doesn't disappear. It seems to me that the wall should move, so that you can reach it, but it doesn't.

I have no idea what the buttons in the Tower are supposed to do. I'll check all possible combinations (that's only 2^4 = 16 possible combinations).

I checked the ring, but you still get stunned! Maybe the entire chest was just removed from the game, and the ring never got any special properties.

[Gamefreak]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Oct 17 2005, 12:37 PM
Maybe you also know something about these four buttons along a corridor on Tower's second floor?
I experimented with them earlier once when I was playing the game. The only effect I was able to produce with one of the combinations is a fireball flying in short intervals through the corridor from the side of where the pits are behind the illusionary wall that hurts party and mosters likewise. Got one of those weird chickens once, with two hits... *g*

[Undertaker]

That's cool! I think I once had it fire acid! :D

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Oct 17 2005, 06:46 AM
Now I think I have the formula for might:
might = power coefficient * weapon power + bonus.
Please inform me if you find a mistake.
Well, did it myself. According to that formula, Ak'shel cannot have might 10 with a dagger. My apologizes.
Now I propose the adjusted one (which also corresponds to the save-files data):
First, character's might depends on his hand's shape. Human's and thomgog's hands have might 1, mage's hand has might 3/4 , and cat's paw has only 1/2.
Second, there are bonuses for the characters:
BP - 0, M - 5, C - 2, A - 1, K - 5.
Third, there are power coefficients for them:
BP - 1, M - 3/2(1.5), C - 183/128(1.43), A - 5/4(1.25), K - 211/128(1.65).
So the formula must be
might = [[(weapon power + bonus) * hand's might] * power coefficient],
where [x] means the integer part of x.
Note that double truncation is necessary only for Ak'shel and Kieran.

By the way I am not Reanimator...

[Undertaker]

Yeah, sorry about that. i wanted to quote two people! :D

[Prey]

I just got the game off of Ebay, the CD version, and I'm playing it on a 98 Box except the sound quality isn't good at all, I have to go and use midi which does the game no justice. If there is anything anyone could do that would be great

[Gamefreak]

I'm afraid you'll have to stay with the MIDI music. It's the only kind of music this game has... :)

[Undertaker]

The game does NOT only have midi music! You should run the game with VDMsound. It works great for me; the only flaws it has it that it's slows down the music and sometimes the sound stutters. The slowing down of the music might be causes by the fact I only have a P500...

[Gamefreak]

What do you mean? Lands of Lore 1 does have only MIDI music that sounds better with MIDI soundcard than with the Soundblaster MIDI. Only Lands of Lore 2 has the digital music. I would know, as I have both games on CD...

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Gamefreak@Oct 25 2005, 10:36 AM
What do you mean? Lands of Lore 1 does have only MIDI music that sounds better with MIDI soundcard than with the Soundblaster MIDI. Only Lands of Lore 2 has the digital music. I would know, as I have both games on CD...
Me too! I might be mistaking, because I'm not a techie. But if you listen to Lands of Lore 1 MIDI's, you'll notice that it doesn't sound exactly like the actual in-game music.

[Prey]

Yeah I noticed it when you heal people and when you attack, and even the music is slightly different, but if VDM sound works then I'll have to give it a shot thanks

[Gamefreak]

Well, the MIDI music in the game is not General MIDI format like MID or RMI, it's an XMI music, Extended MIDI format I think, so it sounds often better than the synthetical General MIDI. But it is nevertheless MIDI music. ;)

[Gamefreak]

Well, the MIDI music in the game is not General MIDI format like MID or RMI, it's an XMI music, Extended MIDI format I think, the format was created for Roland Sound Canvas card originally, so it sounds often better than the synthetical General MIDI. But it is nevertheless MIDI music. ;)

[Maerryji]

Here are the data on delays I promised long ago.
There are three sorts of delays: the delay after shots or failed blows (x), the delay after successful blows (y), and the delay after spellcasting (z).
The first delay depends on rogue level and also on character. For all characters except Kieran x=10 (about 2.5 or 3 seconds) at levels 1-3, x=9 at levels 4-7, and x=7 at levels 8-10. For Kieran x=7 at levels 1-7 and x=6 at levels 8-10. Note that rogue enhancers like jade necklace do not matter.
The second delay is equal to 4, regardless the rogue level your character has.
Zephyr ring divides all these delays by 2 (with taking an integer part, so Kieran would always have x=3 and y=2, others have x=5 or x=4 at lower rogue levels and x=3 since 8th).
The third delay always equals to 8, though maybe some items modify it.

Mistakes aren't expected but possible.

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Mateej@Oct 15 2005, 09:30 AM
I have examined Baccata's "critical hits" (against transformed Scotia, not against Larkhon) and you're right, the key is... (insert fanfare here) SABRE "CUTTER"! (and no hit at all with bare hands). But only in hand of Baccata, not Paulson's. Baccata is figher level 8 and Paulson only 7, but when I battled Larkhon, Baccata's fighter level was much lower so I think it does not depend on figher level, but on Baccata.
I have checked this against Lahrkon, too. Indeed, only Baccata has such ability. It doesn't look like fighter level matters here, but probably the higher is your rogue level the more often are successful blows (at level 10, about 1/2 of all blows were successful).
I have found three weapons giving Baccata this ability: sabre "Cutter", sabre "Gutter", and axe "Slitter".
Indeed, the damage is always 4 (sometimes 8 if you wield two such weapons).

Throwing the weapon or armor (any weapon, including blunt ones, but not rocks) may damage Lahrkon as well.
And, of course, if you are true rogue, you can easily kill it with westwood stick (no matter who uses it).

[Undertaker]

That's REALLY great information!! Thank you! :kosta:

Be sure to drop by at http://37852.rapidforum.com and read about the project some time. The site is German, but you may post in English (I do).

[Maerryji]

I have visited www.ethereallore.com.
Well, I must note that there is some useful information (for example, extra might Baccata has with the sabre "Cutter" explains why can he damage Larkhon (or Lahrkon)), but also many mistakes.
I think I have more correct data on the monsters' health, resistances etc. It needs additional verifying though...

[Guest]

Hey, you are superfreaks of this game here. I didn't know what was the "Larkhon" thing till I looked for it at some walkthrough, and then I discovered it was that giant worm over the Urbish mines. When I played the game lots of years ago I indeed killed it by throwing maces or swords to it, not using the green skulls as it is supposed to be. Tried the same with Scotia, but she always killed me before I could do so with her. Is it possible to kill her in such way or she has so many HP that it is in fact impossible? Anyway, brilliant game, one of the RPGs I love.

[Tito]

That was me in the previous post, don't know why sometimes I don't seem to get logged.

[Undertaker]

I litteraly did hundreds of thousands points of damage to her, and she still lived. I guess her HP is infinite.

But a friend of Maerryji thought he'd beaten her once, but he doesn't remember it well! :cry:

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Undertaker@Oct 28 2005, 08:20 PM
I litteraly did hundreds of thousands points of damage to her, and she still lived. I guess her HP is infinite.

But a friend of Maerryji thought he'd beaten her once, but he doesn't remember it well! :cry:
I think it was Mateej's friend.
I've never heard about killing Scotia without using Truth before I visited this forum. (Well, I've pushed her to a pit once but in the version I had this didn't make me win. No Scotia, no victory.)

[Gamefreak]

I guess pushing her to a pit doesn't make her die, but instead she'll be in the level below, like the party would fall through, too. There you can find her and still can kill here.

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Maerryji+Oct 29 2005, 06:36 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Maerryji @ Oct 29 2005, 06:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Undertaker@Oct 28 2005, 08:20 PM
I litteraly did hundreds of thousands points of damage to her, and she still lived. I guess her HP is infinite.

But a friend of Maerryji thought he'd beaten her once, but he doesn't remember it well! :cry:
I think it was Mateej's friend.
I've never heard about killing Scotia without using Truth before I visited this forum. (Well, I've pushed her to a pit once but in the version I had this didn't make me win. No Scotia, no victory.) [/b][/quote]
Sorry, my mistake! :wall:

How can you push Scotia in a pit? You can't reach a pit in the final battle, or you? :blink:

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Undertaker+Oct 29 2005, 08:44 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Undertaker @ Oct 29 2005, 08:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Sorry, my mistake! :wall:

******QuoteBegin-Maerryji@Oct 29 2005, 06:36 AM

... I've pushed her to a pit once but in the version I had this didn't make me win. No Scotia, no victory.

How can you push Scotia in a pit? You can't reach a pit in the final battle, or you? :blink:[/b][/quote]
NP, spare your head!

I have already told this: one wall in Scotia's domain is removable. You need to push Scotia through it using the dark gauntlet or Hand of Fate spell (there's only one point she wouldn't enter if you don't push her, this is correct one). Then you can lead her around a column once again and run to any place on the floor. She will be stalking you.

[Reanimator]

Look at my userpic!!! It was directly taken from the game screen (no editing! :ph34r: ) 'Respects for Maerryji who helped me'.

[Undertaker]

Dual Scotia's?? How did you do that?? :blink: :hairpull:

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Oct 14 2005, 05:11 AM
Does anyone know the way to make Dawn join you?
(At least, there is an evidence this was planned by Westwood. Those who have save-files editing expirience may know that there are bytes in character description whose values correspond to face. You may check that there is Dawn's face (blue-eyed Dawn, yes, not brown-eyed!): Start a new game, choose Conrad, save, open save file, find FBFF bytes (it's close to the character name), replace it with F9FF. Or there may be 0500, then replace it with 0700. At least, in both versions of Lands I have played it was possible.)
I kind of overlooked this post... could you tell me what changes this edit bring? Do you actually have Dawn in your party? Or does this just changes the portrait? And what happens if Dawn speaks? Does she have her own voice?

[Maerryji]

This only changes the portrait. I doubt there's a way to make her join us, so this must be just the trace of a script branch which is absent in the released game.

I don't have any voices in my current version, but as far as I remember you may switch them, too (at least, screams' sounds). There might be two woman's screams if this was prepared too. But I don't think CD version has the extra speach for the removed script parts.

But I will be happy to hear that there is correct way to make Dawn join us.

[Undertaker]

I see. So the portrait does change moves when she talks, winks etc., but she screams like Conrad and her characteristics and name is like Conrad's, right?

[Maerryji]

Exactly.

[Reanimator]

To Undertaker: If you want I can make three ... :whistle:

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Reanimator@Oct 30 2005, 12:43 PM
To Undertaker: If you want I can make three ... :whistle:
But, how...??

[Christian IV]

I posted in the troubleshooting sectoin but wanted to post here
too, I am trying to play Lands of Lore I, but cant get the
game to go past where you pick the character you want,
the screen goes black and just sits there.

I have Win 98 SE and 6 GB of Hdrive, 64 RAM, and
snd blaster snd integrated on a Pentium II, i can play
all sorts of other older games, including the kyranida series,
doom, all sorts.

I get the movie in the intro, with music but no voices.

Is something wrong with my sound set up? I selected
Snd Blaster, not sound blaster pro, ....

Any suggestoins would be great.
Chris :ok:

[Undertaker]

Hmm, I've heard the black screen problem before. I don't know the exact solution for this, but running this game in either Dosbox or VDMsound should fix all the problems. I'd recommend VDMsound for it's low system requirements. :ok:

[Maerryji]

As far as I know, first versions of Lands I had processor type checking which failed if you have Pentium or something better. There could be patches fixing it but if you don't find them you may try to change it by yourself:
Open main.exe using hex-editor. Find the symbols (in hex-code)
C3 74 13 66 B8 01
and replace them with
-- EB -- -- -- --
(address 0002919C in disk version and 00054FC2 in CD version).
Advice was taken directly from the Russian forums, and I think I have applied it once successfully.
Hope it doesn't break any laws.

[Maerryji]

Probably the thing I have just discovered will be extremely interesting for all the Lands I fans and for anyone who would not mind to play it once again.

If you know Quake I, you may also know that there are 3 complexity levels (easy, normal, and hard), same as for Lands. But there is one more level not visible in the game menu. It is called "Nightmare" and you can set it only using a console command. Reanimator once supposed that Lands I also can have such mode, although he had no clues and proposed no ways for checking this.
Still he deserves respect as long as his prediction turned out to be correct.

Please spread this information as wide as you can:

There is "nightmare" mode in Lands I. In disk version to turn it on you should:
load the game or start a new one, set sounds, music, and floating cursor off, smooth scrolling on, monsters ferocious, and save the game. Then open the save-file with hex-editor, find position (all numbers are hexadecimal) 00000253 (or close to it) with the symbol 28 (character "(") and replace it with 38 (character "8"). Load the game and check game controls. There must be written that "Monsters are [Main menu]". Now restore the settings you like (except the "Monsters are" paragraph) and enjoy the nightmare!

(CD version probably allows this too but I am not sure about the symbol to find and the value to set. Going to find this out as soon as possible.)

[Undertaker]

:kosta: :kosta: :kosta:

Really, your friend deserves great respect!! I really ought to check this out as soon as I can!!

:kosta: :kosta: :kosta:

[Maerryji]

In CD version this symbol is at position (hex)0000025E. With the default settings, it is 1B, with ferocious monsters - 2B and to make them nightmare-like you should set it to 3B.

Nightmare monsters in disk version strike fast like a hurricane, and in CD version their blows don't seem to miss.

[Undertaker]

Wow, they barely have recharge time? I got to try that out FAST!
:Titan: :boxing: :karate:

[Undertaker]

Ehm, could someone give me a little help with hex-editing? I've opened the savegame with the correct options with the Freeware Hex Editor XVI32. Now I see a lot of fields. To the left there's a field with a vertical list of numbers: 0, 11, 22 etc. In the middle are a lot of fields with the usual stuff: 41, 6B, 21 etc. To the right is a weird field that has the name of my savegame, "Ak'shel Nightmare" and a lot of squares.

Now, I can't find the number (2B; I have the Cd version) you mentioned anywhere. I also don't understand what (hex)0000025E means. I suppose it has something to do with the left column, but it doens't have any 25E...

Any help would me much appreciated! :ok:

[Reanimator]

I always said!!! Nightmare EXISTS!!! :Brain:
THE GREATEST respects for Maerryji!

About multiple Scotia's: there isn't difficult to make this in any version of Lands but the method was discovered by Maerryji so let him explain it himself. By the way, this method lets you kill the 3rd Scotia's shape!!!
:D :cheers: :ok:

Oh! I've just noticed that in CD version nightmare mode, discovered by Maerryji, is not so hard because your character's blows don't miss, too. So I don't like it. :eeeeeh:

[Maerryji]

I don't have the hex-editor you mentioned but probably my doesn't differ much.
The left column must contain addresses of the string (i.e., 1st 16 symbols in the file are marked with 00000000, next 16 - with 00000010 etc.). This is hexadecimal number, so 11th string should be marked with 000000A0. Address 0000025E mean you must find a 15th symbol in the string labelled with 00000250 (E is 15th because 0 is the 1st). For the disk version this address is 253, so you would need 4th symbol in that string.

There should be a symbol representing game settings. If you have default settings (music:on sound:on monsters:normal smooth scrolling:on floating cursor:off) its value must be (hex)1B. For nightmare mode, you need its first digit to be 3 (3B would do). This works for both CD and disk version.

In the middle column in hex-editor screen you can edit the hex-codes of the symbols The right part contains the same symbols "as is".

Damnation, Reanimator seems to be right. So there's no effective nightmare mode in CD version.

[Undertaker]

That would mean this mode is even easier that Wimpy mode, since you can just step back and let monsers come to you. :wall:

Does the disk version have this too?

[Maerryji]

No, in disk version it doesn't look like this mode affects the probability to strike successfully (neither your nor monsters'). For sure, both monsters and characters sometimes miss.

[Undertaker]

Hehe. I made a mistake: I didn't fully shove one of the bars in Audio Control to the left: but now it works fine.

The Cd version's Nightmare mode disappoints me, but the disk version's rocks like solid gold! :Titan:

[Maerryji]

I've noticed Undertaker's thread about making the game more complicated at
http://37852.rapidforum.com/area=3
It is a bit too long for me to read, but I publish my own methods for anyone's interested. (I've also heard some of Reanimator's cruel ideas, but telling them is up to him.)
Usually I play without using wands, aces, guardians, and curing items (I was always too greedy to use them anyway), without using Vaelan's cube against ghosts (it's too easy).
I do not pick Timothy and do not use Lora's fighting abilities (Sadie won't pay me for training her niece and I don't need that as well).
Later I stopped picking a lantern and an atlas, sometimes even a compass.
Ferocious level became default long ago, but now I think the age of another difficulty level begins.
Of course, all these self-restrictions are optional for me.

There's Reanimator's idea I liked much: passing the game as fast as possible. (Loading the games is allowed but the time you've spent is counted even if you want to replay something).

With some of my usual restrictions which had just became habits, my best time is 2h25m.
So Lands I is not too long game after you spent years playing it!

[Maerryji]

Trying to be brief.
Aim: Unknown items
Method: Me, Reanimator
Dull work: Me
Result: Great maul "Pillage"
Location: Opinwood (under the closest to the Mines rock)
Fair way to get: Unknown, welcomed
Way to get: Hex-editing, trainers.

[Maerryji]

Additional result: Hale leather jerkin
Location: Yvel (2EN from Sadie's chop)
Ways to get: Hex-editing, trainers. No fair way known.

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Nov 1 2005, 03:30 AM
Result: Great maul "Pillage"
Location: Opinwood (under the closest to the Mines rock)
Fair way to get: Unknown, welcomed
Way to get: Hex-editing, trainers.
Hehe. Nice find! This one's a little odd: you can pick this one up by clicking on the rock, but only if you've entered the square behind it (by a cheat). I don't know wheather this is a bug, or that you're not supposed to get this weapon at all. But my guess is that it is a bug; there are very few mauls compared to swords. But then again, halberds are kind of rare, too.

The Hale Leather Jerkin: wow, even though you said where it was, it took me a while to find it. You guys have a sharp eye! :sneaky:

The "stairs down shortcut" -bug in White Tower level 2 (disk version only): in the dark room, get the Mystic Key from the niche. After that, place any item in the niche, open the door and press the butten. The wall will change and another button will appear (kind of like in the Draracle's Caves, to get to the Jeweled Dagger). Keep pressing the buttons until you see a stair. You can still press the button a couple of times, without having it disappear. This stair is actually the stairs down back to level 1. If you walk in it backwards, you'll take the stairs down.

Did anyone ever get a Halberd from the Pentrogs in the part with the Orcs in Opinwood? I once got two from both, but I've never found them again.

[Undertaker]

Finishing the game as fast as possible? I've never tried that. I almost finished the game in 4 days time, if it weren't for the flu! :ranting:
But then I did everything and didn't rush anything.

I once finished the game without atlas and compass, but I always take the lantern (dark screens are bad for the eyes). In the same game, I didn't cast a single spell, except for igniting gas in the Mines! Try to get past the Necro Saps in the Catwalk Caverns! :sneaky:

But I play Lands of Lore mainly for fun, so I don't do this very often! :D

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Undertaker@Nov 1 2005, 11:47 AM
This one's a little odd: you can pick this one up by clicking on the rock, but only if you've entered the square behind it (by a cheat).
...my guess is that it is a bug...

Did anyone ever get a Halberd from the Pentrogs in the part with the Orcs in Opinwood? I once got two from both, but I've never found them again.
It's not a bug. You are allowed to get the items from under the walls if you know where they are. Also, you are allowed to pick the item from a closed niche if you have put it there yourself (or if you've seen it, not sure about this).

Yesss, of course. Its probability is less than 10% but there are 3-5 centaurs (all right, Pentrogs) who can have it.

Even if you have solved all the puzzles (well, all the puzzles I know solutions for), killed all the monsters, looted all chests, visited all shops, checked both Jewelled dagger and Silver goblet ways, had a luck with that chest on the Tower's 1st floor, you still can't be sure you know all the items.

Here is the list of the items you need a luck to find (at least, in disk version):
1. Horseshoe
2. Halberd (if you are loyal and do not consider Gladstone guards as "monsters")
3. Great maul
4. Sickle
5. Worn key
6. Long sword "Gnarl"
7. Long sword "Snarl"
8. Long sword "Gnash"
9. Great sword "Trouble"
10. Dwarvish scale mail
11. Ebony key
12. Eagle great sword
13. Great axe "Death"

There are also items you can only get using a cheat (no fair way known):
1. Great maul "Pillage"
2. Zephyr ring
3. Bow "Tempest"
4. Cloud ring *
5. Great bow "Darkness" *
(thanks to Undertaker for *)

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Nov 1 2005, 01:34 PM
It's not a bug. You are allowed to get the items from under the walls if you know where they are.
Are you sure about that? I clicked at the wall for about ten times with no result. Then I entered the square and walked back, clicked and got the maul! :blink:

[Undertaker]

In the square to the right of the right treisure chest behind the "you have no faith" door, there's a Long Sword and a Scale Male.

I guess all this stuff was just left behind by the programmers, because they didn't care about 'cleaning it up'. I can't blame them for that! :D

[Reanimator]

Originally posted by Undertaker@Nov 1 2005, 11:47 AM
The "stairs down shortcut" -bug in White Tower level 2 (disk version only): in the dark room, get the Mystic Key from the niche. After that, place any item in the niche, open the door and press the butten. The wall will change and another button will appear (kind of like in the Draracle's Caves, to get to the Jeweled Dagger). Keep pressing the buttons until you see a stair. You can still press the button a couple of times, without having it disappear. This stair is actually the stairs down back to level 1. If you walk in it backwards, you'll take the stairs down.
Oh! Fine! I've already known that (bug?). There was the same thing in the oldest version of Lands but I didn't need to put anything in that niche. So I thought that this (bug?) was erased in other versions.
:cheers:

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Undertaker+Nov 1 2005, 01:54 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Undertaker @ Nov 1 2005, 01:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>******QuoteBegin-Maerryji@Nov 1 2005, 01:34 PM
You are allowed to get the items from under the walls if you know where they are.
Are you sure about that? I clicked at the wall for about ten times with no result. Then I entered the square and walked back, clicked and got the maul![/b][/quote]
You've misunderstood me.
If you know where the item is (in-game, i.e., you've seen it already) you can get it even if it's under wall or in closed niche. That's the way I always get humanoid figurine.

Check this in any place where the closing walls are: put something to the floor there, leave and try to get it when the wall appears.

[Reanimator]

Long sword and scale mail??? I've not found anything like that. Couldn't you explain where were you found them?

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Reanimator@Nov 1 2005, 03:25 PM
Long sword and scale mail??? I've not found anything like that. Couldn't you explain where were you found them?
Ah, my mistake. I meant the third White Tower level, in the square to the right of the right treisure chest behind the "You have no Faith" door. Are you still following me? :D

Behind the door in the north east in the third White Tower level, there is a door you can only open if you have the Crucible of Faith in your inventory. Behind the door are two treisure chests. The items are in the square to the right of the right treisure chest.

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Reanimator+Nov 1 2005, 02:48 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Reanimator @ Nov 1 2005, 02:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Undertaker@Nov 1 2005, 11:47 AM
The "stairs down shortcut" -bug in White Tower level 2 (disk version only): in the dark room, get the Mystic Key from the niche. After that, place any item in the niche, open the door and press the butten. The wall will change and another button will appear (kind of like in the Draracle's Caves, to get to the Jeweled Dagger). Keep pressing the buttons until you see a stair. You can still press the button a couple of times, without having it disappear. This stair is actually the stairs down back to level 1. If you walk in it backwards, you'll take the stairs down.
Oh! Fine! I've already known that (bug?). There was the same thing in the oldest version of Lands but I didn't need to put anything in that niche. So I thought that this (bug?) was erased in other versions.
:cheers: [/b][/quote]
You might be right about not having to put anything in the niche; I didn't check that... :tomato:

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Nov 1 2005, 02:56 PM
You've misunderstood me.
If you know where the item is (in-game, i.e., you've seen it already) you can get it even if it's under wall or in closed niche. That's the way I always get humanoid figurine.

Check this in any place where the closing walls are: put something to the floor there, leave and try to get it when the wall appears.
Ah, yes. Now I get it.

But couldn't it be that the programmers wanted you to be able to get that maul but forgot about that rule?

[Sebatianos]

Could you please use the EDIT button more? You just made multiple posts.

[Maerryji]

Dear VIP,
We're just discussing the game secrets here. It is much easier to follow the discussion if new information is contained in the new postings. As for me, I cannot edit my messages anyway because I am not registered.
If you need some information you're free to ask. If you just want to know more you should wait until we gather more data. Then we probably will sum it up at some site.

[Sebatianos]

:blink: Dear :blink: Maerryji:
I'm please to see you're all trying to contribute (by gathering data for the game), but in general multiple posts are something people should try to avoid. If possible one should try to include more information in a single post, to making new ones one after the other. I realise that it's sometimes easier this way, that's why I'm not even considering moderating the posts, but I just stated that for the future reference.

Please continue the discusion. :ok:

PS - you're also more then welcome to join the comunity and register.

[Undertaker]

OK, I'll do my best! Sorry about the previous few posts; I could have made fewer. :ok:

[Reanimator]

To Undertaker: I'm still following you :D but I mean I've not found anything there in both Lands versions I've got :eeeeeh:

P.S. I'm not a discoverer of nightmare mode. The discoverer is Maerryji himself.
My merit is I predicted that nightmare exists. :angel:

[Undertaker]

That's... odd. I couldn't have dropped it myself, because there's only one Scale Mail in the entire game and I had the other one in my inventory. Or where there two? If so, I've just made a HUGE mistake and you should all laugh at me! LOL

Edit: You're both too modest! You're greater gods of the Lands than Anu!

[Reanimator]

Watch This! Here is an addition to Maerryji's item list. I've never seen anyone talk about those things:

axe "Splitter"
great axe "Meister"
great axe "Executioner"
great maul "Thor's Fist"
great maul "Armageddon"
great bow "Tracker"
long sword "Ares' Breath"
long sword "Life Taker"
rapier "Coup D' Grace"
staff "Gainful"
bloody staff
trident "Pestilence"
Mesmer's great helm
aegis kite shield
bronze key
blood key
talba ring
vortex scroll

This is the full list of unknown items of Lands.
It is created by Maerryji (algorithm) and Me (performance) :sneaky: .

[Maerryji]

Dear VIP!
I ssssstrongly doubt I am "more then welcome to join the comunity and register" because I don't wishhhh to be called neither "newbie spammer" nor "Abandonia nerd". And I don't have that much time and cannot post 12.17204301 messages every single day ssssso I won't ever become somethhhing VIP-like here.

[Maerryji]

Undertaker, there are indeed two scale mails (both are in the chests in Draracle cave level 3) but it's not a reason to laugh at you. I also haven't found it in the place you described but maybe you aren't wrong. There might be special conditions for them to appear. Well, maybe you can just check it again?
(By the way, does your trainer let you move through the walls only within the same area or you can cross them? If you need I can tell you the position of level-byte in save file.)

One more useless but nice secret: did you know that there are "mirror areas" for Northern and Southern forests? It means there is a place in Northland forest which mirrors the Southern one and vice versa. I've found it with HET (hex-editing techniques) but probably trainers can reach it, too.

[Undertaker]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Nov 1 2005, 06:25 PM
By the way, does your trainer let you move through the walls only within the same area or you can cross them? If you need I can tell you the position of level-byte in save file.

One more useless but nice secret: did you know that there are "mirror areas" for Northern and Southern forests? It means there is a place in Northland forest which mirrors the Southern one and vice versa. I've found it with HET (hex-editing techniques) but probably trainers can reach it, too.
I don't completely understand what you mean here. I guess you mean skipping entire levels by crossing area's. No, I can't do that but my trainer allows me "unlimited movement"; I can just pass through walls the same way ghosts would do. I will check out the location again soon! :ok:

Yes, I know about the mirror area's :D ! My first guess was that the programmer's intention was to put both levels in one, but it would be pointless to do that for BOTH levels. But it's cool nonetheless.
Did you know about the little area behind Vulture's Chasm in the Yvel Woods? :max:

I did know about the Great Maul "Armaggeddon"; it's in the item list at www.ethereallore.com! :D
But isn't Axe "Splitter" a common axe? I know there's Axe "Slitter" and I think there was another axe named something like that. But I'm unsure about this...

About the titles: yes, I have to agree here. The titles are not very friendly towards newcomers. I wonder what I'll be called next when I hit the 100 posts... :tai:

[Maerryji]

To teleport between the areas you can use HET. The addres of byte which represents level is 0000025E (disk version) or 00000269 (CD version). Acceptable values are 01-1D. Tower level 3 is 15. Together with trainer it would be useful.

I think you're right about the mirror areas. So when it was decided to put them to different places programmers have just made a copy and updated the design for it without changing the maps.

First one who told me about the area behind Vulture's Chasm was Reanimator.
But he didn't mention any links with Dungeons there.

Your next title is "tech wizz".

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Maerryji@Nov 1 2005, 07:17 PM
Dear VIP!
I ssssstrongly doubt I am "more then welcome to join the comunity and register" because I don't wishhhh to be called neither "newbie spammer" nor "Abandonia nerd". And I don't have that much time and cannot post 12.17204301 messages every single day ssssso I won't ever become somethhhing VIP-like here.
OK - first off I apologize for spaming (but I can't contact with Maerryji in any other way). Those titles you refer too are made according to the number of posts yes, but the VIP status has nothing to do with it.
If you contribute (could be technical solutions, games reviews,...) you can become a VIP (it's got nothing to do with the number of posts) - and if nothing else, it's easier to comunicate.
The comunity is welcoming and those titles have no connection with the atitude (and the counts are from whenever you joind forth - so you wouldn't need a huge number of daily posts).

OK - enough :ot: from me, just wanted to clear that up.

Please continue the discusion :ok:

[Maerryji]

To Sebatianos: My apologizes if I was too harsh.

Sorry for the offtopic caused by my posts.

Back to the topic: Great maul "Armageddon", axe "Splitter", and long sword "Life taker" (maybe some more items, too) are indeed mentioned at www.ethereallore.com.
But do you know any way (in-game or cheating-based) to find them?
By the way there are many clear mistakes in those manuals. For example Shard of Truth and Ruby of Truth are claimed to add 5 defense points which doesn't seem to be right.

[Undertaker]

Hmm, I'm not really an expert in hex-editing. I wouldn't know how to find these items, either...

But how did you create that list of unknown items (with the Talba Ring, Vortex Scroll etc.)? Wouldn't that help us out?

I've tried the Vortex spell with a trainer, and I've noticed the extreme low MP usage for this spell; level 1 needs 3 MP and level 4 needs 24 MP; I guess this spell was either meant to be the basic spell, or was to be found even before the Freeze spell. Or maybe the Freeze spell replaces the Vortex spell; that does make sense to me: First Vortex was made up, but then they needed the use of Freeze in the Swamps, so they ditched Vortex.

Hey, I was wondering what your opinion is about these subjects:

- Best main character
Mine is Michael, because he deals HUGE physichal and magical damage and advances so fast in the Fighter and Mage levels. A little bit of alghorithm:
Michael + Spark = Death to all.

- Favorite main character (nostalgy wise :D !)
Ak'shel!

- Best/worst offensive spell
Best: Spark, for it's low MP cost, decent damage even near end-game and it's incredible long range (one square further than Fireball!).
Worst: Lightning; quite high MP cost, so-so damage. What Lightning does, Spark does better, aside from not multitargeting monsters. Freeze would have been worse, but it serves somewhat use in the Draracle's Caves for groups of spiders, as it's your only multitarget spell at the time. I'm also not too fond about Hand of Fate; you need to cast at least level 3 to do any damage (somehow, levels 1 & 2 are the same and 2 uses more MP!) but it has it's use in the White Tower, even though I would advise against using it here (better not rest a lot and move QUICK :max: ).

- Best item to duplicate
I still am not sure about this. My guess would be the Aegis Plate Mail, even though you would have to come back from Castle Cimmeria lv. 3. :tai:
Weapons aren't really that useful, since you can either have two or three weapons (depends on which race you helped in the Dungeons) with weapon factor 60, and two with 56 anyway. I'm not even counting the Crossbows now. Another good choice would be the Jade Neckless or maybe even Crossbow Eternity (BEST long ranged weapon, imho). People who use items could also choose to duplicate the Death Wand.

Share me your opinions! :D

[Guest]

I got Vortex spell by HET once but it does nothing, don't it? Vortex scroll just causes game crash when you try to read it.

It's really hard to explain how to produce items for those who don't have hex-code hacking or programming experience. It's harder than the things I have described before so it would be out of forum format. If you need this for fan-game project I can try to describe this (think it would be easier for me than for Reanimator) and send you by e-mail.

The best main character is Baccata and that makes Ak'shel best support one. I dislike dumbs so prefer Conrad rather than Michael (85 or 90 damage by Spark:IV isn't a big difference). I know you can get mage level or two for Michael before Draracle's caves but the first one is so boring... so it's easier to do it in Upper Opinwood, using fireball wand (one wand easily makes him level 3 mage). Conrad can have 3rd with a half before he leaves Manor.

Spark is a good spell to fight unless your enemy has other vulnerabilities.
Mist of Doom is nice, especially for Ak'shel with his 180MP at 5th level.
Fireball and Freeze are good only against vulnerable enemies.
Lightning and Hand of Fate are almost useless, but the worst one is Caustic Fog!
But: Before you can use Mist of Doom at Tower level 3, the best spell to level up is surely Fireball:II-IV against hornets. And Freeze lets you gain 6-12k silver to buy fireball wands.

Item to duplicate? Hm... Westwood stick? Zephyr ring if we would find a way to get it? Great axe "Master" if you wish westwood stick but are too lazy to gain 5th rogue level?

[Maerryji]

It was me... damn it.

Some information to avoid senceless postings:
Amount of experience needed for levels 2-10 is:
500, 1500, 5000, 25000, 50000, 80000, 120000, 180000, and 270000.

[Undertaker]

Hehe. That's not fair! "The best main character is Baccata". With a main characters, I mean the guys which you can choose at the start of the game! :D
Ak'shel is really good at the 'hard' places in the Lands; he's the best healer, since the healing amount is not dependend on anything and he has the most MP.
Conrad does get the first mage level faster, but Michael get's the second one faster. In the end, it only matters 4 MP, so therefore I do not consider Conrad a better mage than Michael.

About the experience points: are the values cumulative? I mean, do you need to gain 500 experience points for level 2 and another 1000 for level 3? Or do you need 1500?

I believe throwing stuff nets you about 1 exp.; you mentioned that an item in the start of the game is non-throwable, right? Well, if you keep picking it up and throw it really fast, you can get to Rogue level 3 (or even 4 if you got to much time) in 15 minutes time! Useful if you are having problems and want some easy extra HP.

I know Vortex doesn't do anything, but I was considering why it has ever existed! :D

I don't really like spells with high MP cost, since you need to rest so long and monsters get generated while you rest.
Did you know you can reset the monster spawning time by saving and reloading? A cheap way to get past difficult area's! :max:

[Maerryji]

I meant that Baccata becomes the best character since you get him. He's much better fighter than Michael. So I prefer Ak'shel as long as he's surely the best at the first game levels and later he supports Baccata with his magic well.
Yes, Michael's magic is 6% more powerful than Conrad's, but he is dumb! He-he.

Experience: You need 500, then 1000, then 3500 etc. Throwing an item or shooting gives you 2 rogue experience points, I use that oftenly (yes, nonthrowable items are preferable). By the way, if you are doing it at Northland forest you can also practice magic when new boars appear.

About respawning monsters - yes, it looks like this, but I would not use it anyway. I prefer to level up a bit more than it's needed and always be prepared.

[Undertaker]

It appears as though the boars need twice the spawn time as other monsters. Too bad, because you can really use some early level-ups.

The spawn time continues while you're reading a note, so you can read the Writ of Passage and so something else for five minutes. Then you can beat up the boar and read again. Of course, this aplies for other area's as well.

[Gamefreak]

That's not playing the game anymore, that's pulling the sinews out of the game because there's nothing better to do anymore. At that stage you could instead play some other game, there you will at least have some fun :D

[Undertaker]

No, it's not. First of all, if we post tricks here it doesn't mean we're actually do it, or at least not often. Secondly, the game is HARD, even for us die-hard fans. Especially with the new nightmare mode, anything is welcome. lastly, of course saving and reloading to reset spawn time would be cheating, but we're gathering knowlegde for the fan project as well.

And I play plenty of other games, don't worry about that. I don't play this game that often anymore, since, indeed, most of it is known already. But with all this new information I hear, I just got to check it out! :D

[Reanimator]

I don't know who is the best but my favourite char is Kieran. He fights as fast as monsters. His blows are weak but frequent and accurate. :Titan:

My favourite spell is Mist of Doom but I think the most usable is Spark. I cast it even in Cimmeria.

I usually duplicate Rapier ''Coup D' Grace''. I also triplicate and tetraplicate it.:bleh:

Oh, I forgot. Every time you make lucky blow it deals 1000 damage if your opponent has no more than 25% HP.

[Maerryji]

To Gamefreak: Do you prefer walking through the game over and over again with no changes? I see no sence in such a time-wasting so I try to find something new, solve the puzzles etc. When there left no secrets I could solve in-game I began using HET (save-files aren't packed so it's easy to work with them) and it helped a lot.

It also turned out that all the "construction waste" was not completely removed from the game and you can access it with HET. Now what I do is like treasure-hunting. For me it's much more interesting than playing itself, maybe because I'm not fond of being only a consumer.

[Maerryji]

Here is the summed up data on killing Scotia. (Some were provided by Undertaker and Mateej, some were discovered by me).

The common way to kill Scotia is to combine the Ruby of Truth and the Shard of Truth and apply it while she is shapeshifting. Then you have to deal with her true form only. If you just kill her two primary battleforms she turns into nightmare creature which is immune to almost everything. Most of the players would tell you that now you're dead, but it is not correct.

First, note that there are three ways to deliver a damage to whoever you fight with.
You may do it
a) using the westwood stick;
b) throwing a weapon or armor (not the rocks) into your enemy; or
c) using sabre "Cutter", sabre "Gutter", axe "Slitter", or axe "Splitter" by Baccata.
It doesn't seem that you can defeat Scotia's last form these ways (she has more than million hit points for sure), but you may kill her while she is shapeshifting. That doesn't cause a victory yet, but there's a way to use this, too...

So let's suppose you already have the Whole Truth and westwood stick. You also may need the Dark Gauntlet or Hand of Fate spell and enough amount of mana and health (level up a bit if you aren't sure). Make sure you have not killed all the "toads" at the upper floor of Cimmeria (two of them hide within the walls and won't attack you if you didn't touch the buttons, so you can easily spare them).

Pushing Scotia across her domain with Hand of Fate/Dark Gauntlet you can break one of the walls. So you can always get out if she is alive, no matter what appearence she has. Do so and find any of the toads. You may see that it's not a toad anymore, but the main point is that it glows with blue like Scotia when she begins to shapeshift. (The only in-game reason for this I can see is that Scotia uses Mask to move to her guardian's body).

So you can apply the Whole Truth now. This creature becomes Scotia, and so does true Scotia behind you. You need to kill any of them to win.
If you killed true Scotia while she was shapeshifting you also can find the fake one and destroy it (don't forget to use the Whole Truth before or it will just die).

[Reanimator]

Oh, no!!! My userpic is declassified! :wall: :cry: :wall:

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Reanimator@Nov 3 2005, 03:39 PM
... my favourite char is Kieran.
His blows are weak but frequent and accurate.* :Titan:

Oh, I forgot. Every time you make lucky blow it deals 1000 damage if your opponent has no more than 25% HP.
So he becomes the best warrior since you find westwood stick. But before this he's pathetic.

Is it about that rapier, "Coup de Grace"? Merciful weapon, indeed! *laughs*

[Undertaker]

Could you tell us how to get that weapon bij HET? :kosta:

[Maerryji]

Originally posted by Undertaker+****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Undertaker)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Did you know you can reset the monster spawning time by saving and reloading? A cheap way to get past difficult area's! :max:
[/b]It seems that timer for health and mana restoration works the same way, so you can improve your regeneration... if you won't be bored after first 3 HP.
******QuoteBegin-Undertaker
The spawn time continues while you're reading a note...
[/quote]This is very useful. Thank you!

[Maerryji]

Reminder: the nightmare difficulty level was discovered.
To set it make sure that you have the default game settings:
Music:on Sound:on Monsters are:normal Smooth scrolling:on Floating cursor:off
and save the game. Now open it with hex-editor, find the symbol 1B at position 00000253 (disk version) or 0000025E (CD version), and replace it with 3B. Load the game and check the game controls. If you see the
Monsters are:Main menu
setting you're in the nightmare now. To get back just click the button.

This is more brief and accurate version of the algorithm than the previous one.

[Undertaker]

What I do is the following:

Set the game to Normal and save. Immediately (and I mean immediately) go back in the Main Menu, change to Ferocious and save on a new slot. Now open a hexeditor and compare the scores. This way you can find the values as well! :D

[Gamefreak]

The problem with that is - to search for a change in values in the savegame, you have to search through the entire savegame, and then the second savegame as well, which is a heck of a work. You can compare the two savegames with a Dos command though:
fc /b filename1 filename2
Be sure to be in a Dos prompt (Start - Run - cmd.exe), otherwise the window will close once the command is executed and you can't see the results of the comparison.

[Undertaker]

No, you don't have to, because the needed values are always close to the one's Maerryji has said! :D

[Gamefreak]

Yes, but if you don't know the values from somewhere, you have otherwise to toil to search the entire files up ;)

[Alchemist]

Shady Talamari affairs.

Originally posted by Maerryji
These potions are only images obtained by one more HE-cheat: there is an item (guess which one...) whose appearence depend on... some number. Some of the out-of-range values for that number make this item look like something different.
So I probably accessed the pictures which weren't even attached to the items.

[Maerryji]

The early version(s) of Lands had a bug: Heal:III and Heal:IV spells did not cure characters who lacked too much health. Healing dead characters who had too many HP by bezel cups caused even worse bug: your character's health was restored, but character became zombie-like: unconscious, unable to use wands etc., and invulnerable to all damages (as far as I remember, I won't even die at sinkholes if I had such zombie). This character could only be used as shield against monsters. I didn't find any way to resurrect them, except for loading the game.

Later the bug with bezel cups was fixed, but Heal:III and Heal:IV spells still do not bring the character to perfect condition if his or her wounds are too deep.
If the character needs 128 or more HP at once, these spells restore only 16HP.

[Undertaker]

Yes, I've discussed this bug at the Rapidforum before. I estimated the lack of HP around 150. 128 is of course a more logical number.

I've never experienced the Bezel Cup bug, and it doesn't sound like something I'd like to experience! :sneaky:

[Maerryji]

Here are the additional data on delays. Three kinds of delays are denoted by x (delay after shot or missed blow), y (delay after the lucky blow), and z (delay after spell). The value x depends on character and his or her rogue level. Denote the x-delay at rogue levels 1-3 by x1, x-delay at levels 4-7 by x4 and x-delay at levels 8-10 by x8.

Previous data (disk version): For all characters except Kieran x1=10, x4=9, x8=7; for Kieran x1=x4=7, x8=6. For all characters y=4 and z=8.
This was checked only at ferocious difficulty level.

New data (CD version): At ferocious level everything remains the same, but at normal level some of the delays are greater: For all characters except Kieran x1=12, x4=10, x8=8, for Kieran x1=8, x4=7, x8=6. Values of y and z remain constant.
Delays at wimpy difficulty level look the same as at normal.

It is possible that CD and disk version have the equal delays, but I have not checked it yet. And I'm going to obtain nightmare level delays as well.

I do not know why the x-delays are shorter at harder difficulty level. Probably the monsters' delays wane much faster than characters' if you set the harder level, so the reason was to make the difference between the rogue levels smaller. In other words, at the most difficult level you can hardly feel the effect of getting 4th rogue level, and at easy or normal difficulty 4th rogue level helps your characters much.

By the way, I have improved my last result and walked through the game in 2 hours 4 minutes (level: ferocious, self-restriction: not using Vaelan's cube against the monsters).

[Undertaker]

Ah, so your recovery time depends on the difficulty level! I thought the disk verion had much shorter recovery times, because when I reached Rogue level 7, my characters recovered about as fast as Kieran would. This didn't work in the Cd version. It turns out that the difficulty was responsible. Great job, Maerryji! :ok:

2 hours 4 minutes? One word: respect! :max:

[Maerryji]

By the way, just noticed: xiK=(xi+y)/2. I mean that Kieran's x-delay is in the middle between other characters' x-delay at the same level and their y-delay. Rounded up...

[Maerryji]

My advice about processor type checking was taken from
http://lol1.nm.ru/
You can find more useful things there. The cheats are at
http://lol1.nm.ru/lol-cht.dhtml
Site is in Russian, but some cheats probably need no translation.

[Guest]

Why can't the game be downloaded? it says its under the protection of ESA. whats going on here?

[A. J. Raffles]

Originally posted by Guest@Nov 16 2005, 10:59 PM
Why can't the game be downloaded? it says its under the protection of ESA. whats going on here?
Nothing's going on here, the game is ESA-protected. And we're no longer allowed to host it because we lost the permission to do so. Sorry.:)

[Prey]

Yeah you can thank EA for doing that. Does anyone out there know how to get the game and sound to work on an xp machine. Perferably with software that won't totally screw up your system.

[punch999]

You can use my sig!
Too get the game!

[Gamefreak]

Originally posted by Prey@Jan 9 2006, 09:53 PM
Yeah you can thank EA for doing that. Does anyone out there know how to get the game and sound to work on an xp machine. Perferably with software that won't totally screw up your system.
Try DosBox that you can download through a link on this main site. Documentation is also available on their site.

[Lokaso]

Excelente, Es perfecto :ok:

[Mara]

oh! now I want to play Lands of lore.

I hope i won't have any trouble since I don"t have the manual. (I doubt the english version will pass)

anyway.

I heard about a way to duplicate objets. How ? I reach the white tower, but since I have only one emrauld blade, I get killed again and again.

[Undertaker]

There are two ways to duplicate items:

1. There's a device in the Catwalk Caverns (near the end of the game) that let's you duplicate one item. In order to activate it, you have to push three Necrosaps (those flying sparks) between the shocking things (you'll recognise them when you see them).

2. There's another way to duplicate items, but it works by (ab)using a glitch. I'm quoting myself from http://www.ethereallore.com/1cheats.html.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Cheat! I've found quite an interesting bug - it lets your might and protection grow to infinite!
Note: I have CD version 1.02. I think this worked on and older floppy versions as well.
Here's the trick:

1. Go to White Tower Lv.3 (or Castle Cimmeria Lv.1 but that is too far away and too late in the game to really make use of this cheat) and go to the only pit in the level (the pit which drops you off at the minotaur on Level 2). Save your game.
2. Make sure the pit is open. Wait for a ghost to appear over the pit.
3. Now, place a weapon or armor (preferably Great Sword 'Justice' or the Kite Shield) on the pit, so that the weapon or armor falls through. The ghost will have disappeared.
4. Click on the pit and you'll get your weapon/armor back (keep trying, it might be hard to find the right spot). Place it into your inventory. Keep clicking on the pit and you will get more copies! Get a number of five of the same weapon, or four of the same armor.
5. Go to Victor's Arms or the weapon seller in the swamp.
6. Equip your party with all copies and sell the remaining one.
7. Go outside and check your characters. Where the equipment was are now items named 'illegal item'. Take them all off and place them in your inventory (NEVER place two or more copied items or illegal items on the floor--the game will crash). While doing this, your might/protection will not decrease and will remain the same as when you were equipped.
8. Get back in the shop and re-buy the same weapon/armor. Your 'illegal items' will re-change to the copied equipment.
9. Repeat steps #5-#7 for infinite might/protection.

Notes about the steps above:

-I decided to actually check what I mailed you earlier and to my shock I discovered that an important piece of the infinite might/protection trick did not work; when you re-buy a copied item, the "illegal items" do not change back to the copied item. I guess that part only worked on older floppy versions.
-You can still get the trick going in the CD version; equip yourself with all copied items and sell the remaining one as usual. Buy the equipment back (or choose another item to copy). Now, go back to copy your equipment and repeat. To get rid of "illegal items," donate them to the "Stone Idol: Ra’ToI the Fortunate" in the swamps (refer to the map). It just costs a lot more time, but you also get infinite money this way.
- Watch out for enemies that grab your weapons and drop them on the floor--remember, if two or more copied items or illegal items are on the floor, the game crashes.
- This trick is best done with Great Sword 'Justice' or the Kite Shield, because you can re-buy them in the shops.
- If a character now wears no weapons or shields, it can damage enemies with his bare hands!
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

As for the Emerald Blade, I don't know which one you've missed, but there's one in a treasure chest in Upper Opinwood and the other one is in the Urbish Mines level 1 (part 2), somewhere on the floor. Good luck!

[mara]

tanks :)

I'll try this :)

[Prey]

I have made the mistake of going into Scotia's Room before having the whole truth available, and now I can't get out of that little area, is there something that I can do to get out of there

[Gamefreak]

Yes. Load the previously saved game.

[Prey]

I'm in the room and I have saved it, and that is why I can't get out...

[Gamefreak]

Well, then the only way is to start a new game, and be more careful in future to save more than one game.

[Undertaker]

I've heard it's possible to push Scotia through a wall with the Dark Gauntlet and get out yourself too. I haven't tried this yet, but it's described in one of the earlier pages, I believe.

[Mara]

Originally posted by Gamefreak@Feb 13 2006, 08:33 AM
Well, then the only way is to start a new game, and be more careful in future to save more than one game.
I'll mind doing that if I played it again.

But i need to get the manual (the french version) I left at my parents's home. stupid isn't it ?? But this is so like me ! Anyway, I'll go back there this week end (hollydays at last :)) , plus I have no time to play (should be learnig this dammed formulas !)

[Undertaker]

I have some old savegames. Maybe I could send you one, if you tell me which character you're using and if you're playing the disk (most probably) or the Cd version. Then you won't have to start over again. :ok:

I'm currently in the progress of playing through the game (disk version) with Kieran and making savegames at certain points. These savegames are made for people like you who'd like to start over at a certain point. With Kieran, I'm now at the point of having to chose to fight the Knowles or the Xeobs.

I intend to do this for all characters, but it will take a while before I have them complete, of course! :ok:

[liver kick]

I beat this game so many times back in middle school. But you know what, the feline character is actually the best in the end-game. He really sucks until then though, but later he dodges everything. Also the dragon guy is good. But you know what I like about this game, I really like the graphics. Seriously, back then the graphics were so fantastic.

sure, this game was linear and the gameplay wasn't as in-depth as eye of the beholder, but this game had such an amazing presentation. the voice-acting, cinematics, graphics, whoo boy this was one sexy game.

[Guest]

Originally posted by liver kick@Feb 14 2006, 03:23 AM
I beat this game so many times back in middle school. But you know what, the feline character is actually the best in the end-game. He really sucks until then though, but later he dodges everything.
I guess that's why in Lands of Lore 2 - Guardians of Destiny only he is portraited as the one who killed Scotia :D

[Undertaker]

Actually, my favorite character is Michael, for his fighting capabilities, but also for his overpowered magic damage. Conrad is nearly the same; just less damage (physical and magical), but with more protection.

Sure, Kieran can dodge, but he inflicts so little damage that Baccata ends up killing all the monsters. Furthermore, his magic is the worst of any character in the game. It's not that he's bad, but just not as good as Conrad and Michael.

Nostalgy wise, Ak'shel is my favorite character. While overall he's not as good as the other champions (at least in my opinion), he's the best character for 'chokepoint' area's, such as the third White Tower level. This is because his magic capacity makes him an excellent healer.

[Prey]

Thanks Undertaker for the offer but I already had started over. And as for the graphics of the game if I remember hearing correctly they were hand drawn, but still you're right for a 80386 Machine, graphics like that were pretty incredible.

Another note, I think on the game box or something there is a spell that is shown that to my knowledge isn't in the game, and I think it's called Vortex, anyone know what the deal with that is.

[Gamefreak]

You should read through the previous pages of this thread, there you'll find something about this spell ;)

[Daniel]

Hey,

Why cant I download Lands of Lore? I thought you could download all the games on this site but it says it is protected.... :ranting: :Titan: I remember playing this game 10 years ago... Actually i remember it consuming my life and I would like to let it do that again... Please help me out

Daniel

[Master MC]

Originally posted by Daniel@Feb 19 2006, 02:10 AM
I thought you could download all the games on this site
You have been informed incorrectly :bleh:
Some games are not available for download, due to copyrights etcetera.
I know, it can be annoying, but it makes sense when you think about it.
Tough luck!

[karst]

Get the game at http://IAMSOSTUPID.COM/LOOKHOWSTUPIDIAMFORLINKINGTOWAREZ.php

[Lord of Chaos]

I'm glad so many of you are enjoying the Lands as much as I did creating them. It is hard to believe people are still defending Gladstone.

Thank you for all your kind words. You made my day.

Huzzah!

[Undertaker]

Are you by chance Rick "Coco" Gush?

[Guest]

Or maybe one of those? http://www.petroglyphgames.com/aboutus/images/bigcompphoto.jpg

[The Fifth Horseman]

It is hard to believe people are still defending Gladstone.It's even harder to believe that some of the games' creators find this place. But hey, it happens. Good games - like good people - never truly die.

[Undertaker]

I've posted this at http://37852.rapidforum.com and wanted to share this on this forum as well:

"I was fooling around in Draracle's Caves lv. 2 to get level ups and I noticed the amount of Cave dwellers in the west part of the level (near reference 6 on http://ethereallore.com/1map.html ) was extraordinary. It just didn't make sense to me; no matter how fast I killed them, they just kept on coming. But when I was on the other side of the level, they ceased to appear so quickly.

I researched it some more and then I found out that stepping on the spinner (reference 6) creates two Cave dwellers in the room west of the spinner (the same thing happens in Castle Cimmeria lv. 1, when you try to open the jammed door, which spawns two Ethereal warriors). So my hit & run tactics were actually the cause of the spawning of about fifteen cavedwellers every minute! :evil:

So here's a little advise to everyone that doesn't want to get beaten up by those stinking cavemen: stay away from that spinner as much as you can! :max:

The same goes for the spinner at reference 12; this one makes two Ratmans a little to the east."

Because of this, you can do some major levelling here, especially because you can have the Jewelled Dagger in your possession at this point.

[crossover]

Dunno, the original Lands of Lore left a much bigger impression on me than the sequels. Which reminds me, how many sequels are there? 2 or 3?

[Undertaker]

There are two sequels. There was a third sequel in progress, until EA took over Westwood. I really hate EA for killing off Lands of Lore! :angry:

[crossover]

Yeah well I really hate EA for a number of other reasons, but that's for a different topic. So anyway, i played one sequel, it came on 4 CD's and your main character was able to transform into a lizard and a big monster thingy. Was that Lands 2 then?

[Undertaker]

Yes, that's Lands of Lore 2. Though I didn't like it as much as the first part, it's still a great game, in my opinion.

[?sop]

I played this much back in the innocent 90ties.... then i played it again after i found it again.... but their is something i remember from back then.
I am almost certain of this: i really that when i first went to the wyvel-forest... there where the white tower is... i did not amediatly go for the city or tower on the left... i went right... and went for the bridge over the casem.. but i am certain of what i had seen. there were alot of great orcs (bigger than the small ones, gray and a big axe) but when i was there i shure i had seen a black great orc, in gold armor and a golden axe... much more frightening........ does anyone else have seen this sight before, or is it my imagination????
:help:

[narkooegle]

I played this much back in the innocent 90ties.... then i played it again after i found it again.... but their is something i remember from back then.
I am almost certain of this: i really that when i first went to the wyvel-forest... there where the white tower is... i did not amediatly go for the city or tower on the left... i went right... and went for the bridge over the casem.. but i am certain of what i had seen. there were alot of great orcs (bigger than the small ones, gray and a big axe) but when i was there i shure i had seen a black great orc, in gold armor and a golden axe... much more frightening........ does anyone else have seen this sight before, or is it my imagination????
:help:

?sop, you are right, i remember the same thing,
Then i tried to look on the web.
And did you know what i fouind. Yes that is right, a picture of him :w00t: :bye: :cheers:

http://www.quandaryland.com/1995/pix1995/lol.jpg
It is kinda small, but none the less, it brings back memories.
I think the black great orc (AKA the badest Orc in the lands) dropped some cool axe, when he was slain...... but i cant remember. you have made me wanna play this game again... thanks :Titan:

[Undertaker]

Yes, I have seen that Orc as well, but I don't think it drops anything, or perhaps the Vaelan's Cube. It's a cool Orc, nonetheless! :max:

[Olmec-Joe]

I found a german fansite to this game when i searched for this game on wikipedia:
http://www.landsoflore.de/

But on the site i found some weird pictures, that i cant understand why they are there.
Why they lke they apear.
The only explanation i can com to is that it is from the Beta-version or something:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/BIGKING.gif

http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/SHATTER.gif
What does two of the heros , you can chose do on this picture?
Where is bacata.

http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/SWARM.GIF

If you understand a little german, you can also find patches, trailers and musik.

Plus some art work from the, by EA, cancelled Lands of Lore 4.
/Lands-of-Lore4 (http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/Lands-of-Lore4.htm)

and a few artwork from there:

http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/LOLFort01.jpg
and:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/LOLThg01.jpg


http://mitglied.lycos.de/yvelcity/LOLSwamp01.jpg


Man i hate EA, they are destroyers of art :sniper: ............. EA

[Guest_peter]

I found the manual pdf form...... in french.
Anyway the pictures are nice in it:
French PDF manual (http://tele.abandonware-manuels.org/manuel/landsoflore.pdf)
still searching for a pdf version in english
http://www.kuli-heidenau.de/Joerg/Lands%20of%20Lore.jpg
In the manual there is pictures of monsters that i do not remember from the game = weird. So was in the finale, when scotia was killed, a parade of monsters was in the credits, some of who i dont remember either.

And i found some patches..... on a russian site.
To the floppy version (in us uk and german version)
plus the cd version:

Patches for the game - russian stile (http://agdb.net.ru/games/lands_of_lore.php)


PS: does anyone know why you can have a spare valians cube at the end of the game?? can it be used for something good??

[HamburgerBoyt]

*SPOILERS*

I'm stuck right now in the Level 3 of the castle and the game seems to be broken. When I finish the sum puzzle I go to the room with the humanoid figurine and Dawn's key. Because I gave it to Scotia previously I need it now but for some reason I can't pick it up. Is this a common bug and is there a fix to it? A cheat code to add the item to my inventory would be nice as well.

[Undertaker]

@Almec-Joe: there's even more screenshots at http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/lands-of...chaos/cover-art (http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/lands-of-lore-the-throne-of-chaos/cover-art) . Like you said, the only explanation is that it's from the beta version.

@Guest_peter: I think you've made a mistake; I can't find any monsters in the manual that I don't know of.
You can have another Vaelan's Cube when you've received the reward from either the leader of the Knowles or the Xeobs. It's on the floor in the room where you meet with the leader. If you've attacked the leader, the Cube will still be there. You can use the cube to destroy the ghosts in Castle Cimmeria (or in the White Tower, if you, for some reason, want to go back to that place).

@HamburgerBoyt: I've heard about that bug. I'm afraid I don't know how to fix that, but I might have a savegame as a replacement for you.

[HamburgerBoyt]

Originally posted by Undertaker@May 21 2006, 11:13 AM
@HamburgerBoyt: I've heard about that bug. I'm afraid I don't know how to fix that, but I might have a savegame as a replacement for you.
Could you upload it some place? :)

[Olmec-Joe]

Undertaker: You seem to be my mentor about this game: it is good to know that someone knows this exscelent game better than i.

Tell me, what can you do with the green pearl that you have even in Scotia´s tower:
i looked at en.wikipedia.org, and found this picture:

http://upload.wikipedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Lands_of_Lore.gif
Can you see that green pearl??, what can it be used for??, where should it have been used for..... if you remember.



PS: wikipedia dosent have a good enough entry on Lands of Lore 1, 2 and 3.
It should get better, anyone who has the time, should make it better, i know i will, when i get the time:
lands of lore on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lands_of_Lore)

[Olmec-Joe]

here is the image:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4c/Lands_of_Lore.gif

[Undertaker]

@Olmec-Joe: do you remember that you found a blue version (the Sapphire Eye) of the green pearl in the Draracle's Caves? You opened up wall with it by placing it in a dragon's eye socket. The green one (the Emerald Eye) could have been used to open another path. This leads to another part of the Caves, so that you find another offering for the Draracle. Don't worry, you haven't missed anything; if you take the Emerald Eye path, the secret wall in the Sapphire Eye path will close, and if you take the Sapphire path, the secret wall will close after you've stepped through it. This way you can take only one path.

It's always a pleasure to help fellow Lands of Lore fans! :ok:

@Hamburgerboyt: just tell me your main character and your e-mail adress and I'll send it to you (it's only a couple of kb's big).

[Olmec-Joe]

Hey undertaker, I searched wikipedia, under westwood and found their FTP, which still are active. Lot of stuff there, plus one thing that intrigued me. Lands of Lore 1 demo. Maybe i can get a new take on the game trough the demo, beacuse those tend to be different:
ftp://ftp.westwood.com/
Quite cool actually, with pictures, trailers, patches and much more.
check it out :ok:

[Undertaker]

Yes, I know that one ;D ! But I didn't get the demo running. :cry:

There are some nice midi's, including some that didn't make it into the final release as well. It's a really great link that everyone should check out! :ok:

PS. Did you know about the 'empty treasurechest' secret in White Tower lv. 1? The empty chest in this area actually has stuff in it, but only if you pick the lock succesfully on the first attempt. :sneaky:

[HamburgerBoyt]

Originally posted by Undertaker@May 22 2006, 08:40 AM
@Hamburgerboyt: just tell me your main character and your e-mail adress and I'll send it to you (it's only a couple of kb's big).
E-mail Removed
Michael

Thanks!

[kartanka]

HamburgerBoyt: you can also find savegames at that german site, which has been linked to above.
A very good thing to do in these old and ingenious games are to save a lot.

[olmec-joe]

You can actually get the manual in PDF at replacementdocs.com, actually quite nice, mesa thinks.

[Undertaker]

This whole savegame thing was done by me and Seneti, another member of a German forum. I've done Kieran and Conrad, Seneti has done Ak'shel and Michael. So just go ahead and do like Kartanka said. :ok:

But why has HamburgerBoyt's e-mail adress been removed? :blink:

[Nukem]

One of the best games I've ever played.

Going to avatar...

[narkooegle]

Undertaker: the admins removes email-adresses, because they want to protect them. If you write them here, then idiots from the internet can take them, and send to people that will overspam that email, or something...... or atleast that was what i was told.

Either way, if you are both registered members, then you can exchange email-adresses by privat message on this site, or something, plainly i dont know anything about it.


secondly, i dont know this story to the fullest, but shoulden Lands of Lore not at first have been Eye Of the Beholder 3??? because westwoo did make Eye Of the Beholder 2, and was about to make the third one, when the people that had the rights backed out, and made someone else make the third one?? Maybe that is why there is elves and traises of dwarves (dwarven boots, etc) in the lands. But all in all it was a gain for us that westwood lost the rigts... if this story is true!! Is it??

[Undertaker]

I thought that Westwood had their own plans and ditched EofB3, but I'm not sure. Either way, like you said, it was a gain for us! :max:

[The Fifth Horseman]

Yep, if you want to exchange private/sensitive information, then keep it to PM.

[ShaiWa]

Hello there,

Hope someone can help me solve this one.
I'm unable to enter the pod room in the Draracle caves, it seem to te blocked.
There should be a hidden switch on the north wall but it ain't there.

Found something on the net about a bug if you encountered Draracle before entering the pod room this room is blocked bij a wall. Hope if someone knows a workaround.

Thanks already.

[Undertaker]

Yes, I know. It's not a bug, though. You can only enter that room before you see the Draracle. This is because you'll find another team member in that room, that will leave you when you reach the Draracle. If that party member would be still with you when you make progress in the game, the game will crash when another party member will join you (because you cannot have four party members) and therefore, you cannot finish the game.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ShaiWa @ Jun 2 2006, 06:32 PM) 233903</div>
Hello there,

Hope someone can help me solve this one.
I'm unable to enter the pod room in the Draracle caves, it seem to te blocked.
There should be a hidden switch on the north wall but it ain't there.

Found something on the net about a bug if you encountered Draracle before entering the pod room this room is blocked bij a wall. Hope if someone knows a workaround.

Thanks already.
[/b]

[Nils]

Hello Guys
i m stucked in the urbish mines.
i walked around much but i cant get into the 2nd level exept the small part with the pit in it.
i ve read the walkthrough, but it says sth of a teleporter on level 1, but their is none so.... :sos:

[Undertaker]

Remember the pit in the first level? There are two wheels and a button nearby. You need to turn one of the wheels (don't remember which one) and then press the button. A teleporter will appear. You'll know wheather you've turned the right wheel if you start spinning like mad before being teleported.

Good luck! :max:

[Guest]

Can't get pass the guard in the beginning, anyone have the words?

[Shrek]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Jun 23 2006, 08:10 PM) 239209</div>
Can't get pass the guard in the beginning, anyone have the words?
[/b]
What guard? Inside Gladstone Keep? If so, have you visited the King? You have to explore the Keep first before you can come outside.

[rabadi]

Now if only there are Lands of Lore or similar games for Pocket PC. Well, there are, actually... Undercroft, Legacy, and Green Myste, but they are not free :tomato:

[Scatty]

If you want something very much, then you surely can gather the money up for it too :ok:

[Undertaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Jun 23 2006, 07:10 PM) 239209</div>
Can't get pass the guard in the beginning, anyone have the words?
[/b]

Here you are. The list might not be complete, but it should suffice. :max:

page line word password
1 2 2 state
1 3 4 sentient
4 3 3 maintain
5 2 5 pride
5 5 4 dies
6 3 4 known
6 4 1 powers
7 1 5 heretics
8 4 1 spanned
9 3 1 golden
10 3 3 twice
11 2 5 muck
14 1 1 magic
14 2 1 spellbook
15 4 2 generations
16 2 1 located
16 3 3 course

[Guest]

Thanks mate! This is really a good game, nice sounds all over the areas.

[Ric]

Hey i played this ages ago and tried playing again, it goes back to Dosbox once ive selected my player at the very begining......any help would be greatly appreciated.... Thanks

[Ric]

Never mind it just started working for no reason.

[rabadi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Jun 24 2006, 05:37 AM) 239315</div>
If you want something very much, then you surely can gather the money up for it too :ok:
[/b]
Well, the problem is that those games are not available in local stores, and I had really, really, really bad experience with online purchasing that I don't want to order anything online anymore.

[Choorn]

Hey guys, I need help!
I can't seem the pic the lock to get to the unicorn statuette, is there any key to this room?
The walkthrough says that I should pick it but its impossible! :sos:

[Undertaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Choorn @ Jun 28 2006, 01:54 AM) 240101</div>
Hey guys, I need help!
I can't seem the pic the lock to get to the unicorn statuette, is there any key to this room?
The walkthrough says that I should pick it but its impossible! :sos:
[/b]

The walkthrough is right... I think you need at least Rogue level 5 to be able to pick the lock. In case you don't know, you can increase your Rogue level by throwing items and shooting bows/crossbows/arbalests. Of course, actually killing monsters will hugely increase the experience you receive. You can further increase your Rogue level by 2 by equiping Great Axe 'Master' and a Jade neckless, so you only need to reach Rogue level 3, assuming you've found these items.

[Choorn]

Thank you man :)

[Choorn]

Now I finished the game!
It was very easy after all :)

[Undertaker]

Congratulations! So what do you think of the game? Are you going to replay it with another starting character?

[Vellendarl]

Imah having trouble with the second book pasword.

I know the manual is posted for the guard question. but im still having trouble


In the white tower there is a second questiong from the book of lore. This is a different manual to the one posted.

would apreciate help.

I cleared this game with akshell and conrad before, back in the old days am just playing it to death by completing it with kieran now, sadly i dont have a scooby where all my books have gone

[Undertaker]

Ehm, that beats me. :blink:

You could try it at the main page, where the instruction manual is for download. Perhaps patching the game could also help you (I think later versions of the game don't have this copy protection at all, at least mine doesn't), but then you would have to start over your game. If that doesn't help, you could post some of the questions she asks and I'll try to look it up in my manuals.

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Undertaker @ Jun 30 2006, 07:23 AM) 240657</div>
Ehm, that beats me. :blink:

You could try it at the main page, where the instruction manual is for download. Perhaps patching the game could also help you (I think later versions of the game don't have this copy protection at all, at least mine doesn't), but then you would have to start over your game. If that doesn't help, you could post some of the questions she asks and I'll try to look it up in my manuals.
[/b]

[Vellendarl]

:P thats where i got the other manual from

I dont know where all my old stuff went so was just doing this for a little bit of fun, have been amazed how many things i had forgoten in the game, Still at least the white tower was easier than the first time i did this game where i used the Cube thing straight away to break the second gate and fought my way through the uper level against the wraiths by hand, dang that took loooong.

Anyhow if nobody knows i guess i can spend a little time trying to guess again.

[Nils]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Undertaker @ Jun 22 2006, 08:22 AM) 238678</div>
Remember the pit in the first level? There are two wheels and a button nearby. You need to turn one of the wheels (don't remember which one) and then press the button. A teleporter will appear. You'll know wheather you've turned the right wheel if you start spinning like mad before being teleported.

Good luck! :max:
[/b]


Oh, Thx :titan:

Yea it appeared after the pithole which was just an imagine. Maybe an optical error or a trick. :ph34r:

See you at my next problem thanks ^_^

[Undertaker]

@Vellendarl: Oh, I get it now. I didn't read your post right. For the passwords, just look a couple of posts above! :P

@Nils: The pit wasn't an illusion; it will always appear when you press the button.

[Mara]

sequels ??
there is a sequel ?

Mmm. I tought it was ESA protected ?? did I dreamed it or ??

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Undertaker @ Jun 29 2006, 09:40 PM) 240595</div>
Congratulations! So what do you think of the game? Are you going to replay it with another starting character?
[/b]

I don't think I'll make another character, it won't be funny, nothing new to explore etc.
I played Conrad btw :)

[The Fifth Horseman]

sequels ??
there is a sequel ?[/b]
I think even two.

[Undertaker]

There are indeed two sequels. Lands of Lore II: Guardians of Destiny and Lands of Lore III. Both are great games, but while playing the third part, you'll notice the game has been rushed because of the interference of EA... There's lots of bugs and the game is short. Both games don't compare to the first part, IMHO. But they're still great games.

And yes, the first Lands of Lore was ESA protected, but not anymore! :max:

[Guest]

if it is not protected by the ESA anymore, then why do we not do so that you can download the Gold-version of the game..... you know the CD-version, with speech??

[Scatty]

The CD version would be too big for the site, with around 100-200MB.

[The Fifth Horseman]

That is, unfortunately true.

[Guest]

Ok, i know a place where you can download the cd-version. someone else posted the link in this exact forum, 6 - 9 months ago.... but some admin erased it, because abandonia did not have the rights at the time..... but i did save the link (i think). I can post it here, if the admins allows it.
It is the gold-version on 250 mb

[The Fifth Horseman]

Too large for the site, unfortunately.

[Guest]

Is a link to large for the site?

[The Fifth Horseman]

Ask the admins, not me.

[Japo]

A link might be all right, but take into account that even if this game is abandonware, it will be erased any link to a site where you can find other games which are not.

[Michael]

Wtf ? I can't play. When I've picked a character, and click "Yes", the game fades out and remains black! Why ? :sos: :sos:

[Japo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Michael @ Jul 26 2006, 11:18 PM) 245311</div>Wtf ? I can't play. When I've picked a character, and click "Yes", the game fades out and remains black! Why ? :sos: :sos:[/b]
Are you using DOSBox? That very same thing happened to me when I tried to run the game under Win98, but now under DOSBox it goes as silk.

[Beowulf]

Japofran: ok ill post the link here.
Ive checked the site a little, there dosent seem to be any illigal games at the site, but i havent been through that much of the site. But if you find something illigal on the site, then you can easily remove the link.

I am bringing you all the link to the 250 mb, CD-version of Lands of Lore. Lands Of lore Gold, with speech (with Star Trek´s patrick stewart as King Richard).
I just want to share this wondeful game with all you people.
To preserve somethin as Lands of Lore is very important to me...... it is like art to me.- Art that needs to be preserved. Preserved by so many people as possible get a hold of it.
Though i would had prefered to have bought it on CD once again, because the original CD i have is broken. And Westwood does not exist anymore, so it dosent get repuplished............ so we all have to share it this way.
Companies like that have to make their produkts available........ or else the pirates would have a field day.
Ok i rambeled a lot.

I present to you the 250 mb, CD-Version of Lands of Lore.


Golden_sunday-lands-of-lore-gold (http://www.playfuls.com/gamespace_865_rnews_3654_Golden_Sunday_Lands_of_Lo re_classic_download.html)

[Undertaker]

Beowulf, I fully agree with what you say. Lands of Lore is by far the best game I've ever played. I myself still have a working CD, but others, like yourself, are not so lucky, so I thank you for posting this link.

PS. Would you care to have a talk about Lands of Lore some time?

[Beowulf]

Shure i love Lands Of lore.

I am playing the 3rd one now. Did you like Lands Of Lore 3???
Though the 1st one is the best.
Lands of Lore 1 is my favorite game ever. A shame that EA cancelled the 4th one in production when they bought Westwood studios.
But i am glad that most of the orignal Westwood-geniouses have made their new independent company: Hypoglyph...... i think.
Lets hope they will make new games in the genre like Lands of Lore,

[Scatty]

I played both Lands of Lore and Lands of Lore II - Guadians of Destiny. I think both are great games, have amazing music (especially Lands of Lore 2) and epic story, and I love both of them equally.
About Lands of Lore 3, I bought it in the original package too not long ago, and am playing it from to time a small piece. I don't seem to like it as much as the previous two games, eventhough it introduced the interesting system of guilds, magical companion who's always accompanying you and interesting spells (many taken from Lands of Lore II, not only those that were useable by the main character there).
But the story lacks greatness in Lands of Lore 3. I mean, come on, how could one be hero with this thin boyish voice and shy kind of speaking? Luther was much more fitting for a hero in my eyes, more impressive voice and look. I don't know, Lands of Lore 3 is just not Lands of Lore II or Lands of Lore - Throne of Chaos. The music is also not that convincing, and music is 50-60% of the games. So I don't like part 3 as much as the previous two games, I think this is a weak part from the three.

[Undertaker]

Many people agree with you, Scatty. And you haven't even mentioned (that's no offence in any way) the numberous bugs that remain in the game, even a bug that prevents you from making it to the third rank in the Magician's Guild. And there is the 'Heal fills up hunger bar'-bug, which makes the hunger system redundant.

Personally, I think the third part has better music than the second (Gladstone Keep, the Warrior's Guild, the Draracle's Caves, the Dragon City and the Underworld Hotel theme are all excellent songs. What I do find annoying about both the second and third part, is that the music gets interupted when you get in a fight.

I think the Guild system is nice, but the Journal system sucks, because there's nothing to find out for yourself left. Also, there's too powerful equipment available from too early on. Come on, how can you give Thohan's Great Sword right after completing the first portal world? The Fire Shield (not sure if that is it's correct name) can be found right from the start. Getting powerful armor is also easy, especially when Belial's equipment becomes for sale, right when you get Thohan's blade. This makes the game too easy and uninteresting, since there's almost no better equipment to find.

EDIT: I've forgotten to mention the unbalanced battle system: melee attacks are way better than ranged and magical attacks.

All in all, I think the third part is very fun. It just doesn't compare to it's two preceders. But I can't help the feeling that this game is rushed.

PS. Have you guys been able to get Noble Valkyrie Crossbow on a legal way? I haven't, but I got it through a bug. In the warrior's Guild, go to Chesara's room while it's still closed. Now, click as fast (and I mean FAST) on the door as you can, while walking in the door. This way, you open up the door bit by bit, while preventing it from closing. Be sure not to enter the room and let the door close, or you'll be stuck forever. When you talk to Chesara, she'll thank you for all you've done (that would be nothing :P ) and give you the crossbow.

[Michael]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Japofran @ Jul 26 2006, 10:12 PM) 245314</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Michael @ Jul 26 2006, 11:18 PM) 245311Wtf ? I can't play. When I've picked a character, and click "Yes", the game fades out and remains black! Why ? :sos: :sos:[/b]
Are you using DOSBox? That very same thing happened to me when I tried to run the game under Win98, but now under DOSBox it goes as silk.
[/b][/quote]

Yeah, now it works when I run the game with DOSbox, thanks!

[Beowulf]

I like many things in lands of lore 3: It is mostly the small things. That the journal really is useful to know something about items.
In lands of lore 1 we all hated Lord Geron; in this game he is erally revealed as being a traioter.... of sorts: have you ever gone into his office, while Geron was not there?? You should, then try and duck and use the button under his desk, and then pull the chair back..... a secret room is revealed: cool. and if you push the skulls, you will come further down. I thought that Lands 1 and 2 was more of a liniar stories: while it was a little more free in this game: you could really steal and kill many things.... also that there was so many treasure chest in lower gladstone: you just had to jump around.
Also it was cool that the draracle gaves from lands 1, was recreated in LOL 3, also the inner castle.

Yes also as mentioned there was some bugs in the game, the one with that it was imposible to get to the 3rd level in the magician guild: i found out that you should not free the amazon or the other prison, when you are at first in the tuloi home world.


Something i really like in lands 3, is that i always discover new things everytime i play it; that you can climb a pipe on the warrior guild, smash a window, and get the fire-shield. That you can get a piggy-bank in the shattered desert with 100.000 crowns.... i think it is the first whine you can climp... up in a pedistall.... also that the shatered desert is in fact from another Westwood game: Command and Conquer. and that it is a Nod-base you are entering: also in that base i found the COOLEST misslile-weapon: when i pushed a button for a weapon,,,, the mechanism keept on going with empty holsters, until it revelaed the most awesome missile-weapon: The Boom-stick (Ash in "Army of Darkness" ...... anyone), which is a Shotgun.

I just love the details of Lands 3.


My top 3 of lands of lore is:

Lands of Lore 1
Lands of Lore 3
Lands Of lore 2

[Jens S]

HELP

I am at the end of the game and suddenly the walkthrough states that I should put the four pyramid keys at the corners. But I only have three. So I look and there is only mention of three keys. Can someone help me?
http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Ring/7682/walk-lb.htm

I have Dawns key, Paulsons key and Gerons key. Where do I find the last key? Which map and where on the map?

[Undertaker]

You should look in the Dungeons for Nathaniel's Key. I believe it was in the north behind a secret wall.

[Guest]

Thanks. I found it. Quite frustrating to miss a key.

Jens

[brandon]

Help me :sos: i tried to run this game even in dosbox it wolnt work i can get to the char selection screen, when i pick it kicks me back to the command prompt help me please :sos: thx in advance

[Guest]

Nevermind i had the same problem the other person had earlier in the fourms, it just started working for no reason at all :ok: time to whip some behind :titan:

[uk_john2005]

It's 110 megs, but if you want the full game, it's at Home of the Underdogs:

http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?gameid=1324

Enjoy!

[Yalla-Johnny]

That big-version of Lands of Lore from the underdogs........... have anyone tried it yet???
Is it easy to install and play, because ive tried to download the other big version of L.O.L., who somebody trew a link to in this thread.
Have anyone tried this one? is it easy to run?? How do you make it play??

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(uk_john2005 @ Aug 13 2006, 12:03 PM) 248309</div>
It's 110 megs, but if you want the full game, it's at Home of the Underdogs:

http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?gameid=1324

Enjoy!
[/b]

I downloaded it, that's why I knew where the link was! LOL! I am playing it happily in dosbox in xp with no problems, just a regular setup for sound and away you go!

[rabadi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Yalla-Johnny @ Aug 14 2006, 01:26 PM) 248557</div>That big-version of Lands of Lore from the underdogs........... have anyone tried it yet???[/b]
Yes, I have tried it last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Yalla-Johnny @ Aug 14 2006, 01:26 PM) 248557</div>Is it easy to install and play...[/b]
Assuming the archive is still the same with the one I downloaded and played last year, just use WinRAR to extract the files inside. Then open the first one, LOLCD.001 or something like that, with WinRAR once again, and do extract.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Yalla-Johnny @ Aug 14 2006, 01:26 PM) 248557</div>How do you make it play??[/b]
Use DOSBox.

[yalla-johnny]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rabadi @ Aug 15 2006, 01:07 AM) 248632</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Yalla-Johnny @ Aug 14 2006, 01:26 PM) 248557That big-version of Lands of Lore from the underdogs........... have anyone tried it yet???[/b]
Yes, I have tried it last year.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Yalla-Johnny @ Aug 14 2006, 01:26 PM) 248557</div>Is it easy to install and play...[/b]
Assuming the archive is still the same with the one I downloaded and played last year, just use WinRAR to extract the files inside. Then open the first one, LOLCD.001 or something like that, with WinRAR once again, and do extract.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Yalla-Johnny @ Aug 14 2006, 01:26 PM) 248557</div>How do you make it play??[/b]
Use DOSBox.
[/b][/quote]
Thanks man :ok:
Then ill try it then.
This is a very cool game. Especially this CD-Version.

And then there is the game: have you also had the problem that in the final chapter, Scotias tower, that some of the animals constantly acided your armor???
When i played it first time, the monsters (especially that wheel-looking-clown with the big eye) acided and destroyed my best pieces of armor (and i forgot to save, because i am so dumb), so that in the final battle that red-haired man (Paulson i think) did not where any armor..... so the battlle was very hard.
But had any of you other also tried that really iritating problem????
(PS: Sorry for my poor typing-skills)

[uk_john2005]

The answer is pretty much always the same. 'It works in DOSBox'. I also recommend you get a free front end for DOSBox called D-Fend. It set's up the mounting and soundcard, etc globally, which mean you only have to set it up once, you can set the cycles and skips, etc in D-Fend because you can set a profile for each game. Once the profile is set you double click on it and D_Fend calls DOSBox, gives it the paramenters and settings you have made in the D-Fend profile and starts the game. No setting the mounting over and over again and resetting the cycles. In D-Fend, just do it the once!

I have about 50 old DOS games listed in my D-Fend profile list. I couldn't even tell you what cycles, etc I have each game set up for. All I do is double click on the game, just like a shortcut and DOSBox opens, the game loads, the screen goes full screen and I have the game running at the cycles and setting I want without having to touch anything (other than the first time)!!! :)

[rabadi]

Well that's interesting. I never use D-Fend, I just use the traditional DOSBox. Do you mean that in D-Fend, the program will be intelligent enough to raise or reduce cycles according to the game being played? I mean, if I want to play games like Lands of Lore and Anvil of Dawn, I will set the cycles to 8000. But when I played Ancient Land of Ys, the cycles needed to be reduced as low as 250, 'cause otherwise the game will be much too fast. With Albion, however, no amount of raising/reducing cycles really worked for me, it is unbearably slow. So, can D-Fend adjust that automatically?

[Undertaker]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(yalla-johnny @ Aug 15 2006, 03:26 PM) 248714</div>
But had any of you other also tried that really iritating problem????
[/b]

Not really. Just put your chest armor in your inventory and you should be fine. If you do lose your armor, let Baccata be the one without armor; he's in the middle of the guys, so he gets hit the least often. Generally, only monsters that take up an entire square (that would include Scotia) attack Baccata. Or just find some new armor. There are some to be found in the Dungeons and Castle Cimmeria.

[Ninja-bent]

I tried first at downloading this game, from the link that was put here.... the one that lead to the underdogs. At first they refused to let me download this game in 110 mb version.... then i clicked back on this site, found a direkt link from this site to the underdogs, found lands of lore once again..... and then i could download it esaily..... just that i would let you all know.

Now back to the game: i stepped into the swamp, and i have now gotten some bronze-horse-shue..... i cant use it on my charaters and cant equip it. I can only get 5 or 10 crowns for it.,....,.,.,
Do any of you know a better use of it???
Can i give it to the guy who drives Dawn in the wagon???
Or is there another hidden purpose of the bronze-horse-shue that i do not know about??


That is the same thing when you i think it is in the white tower, you find a granit-rock.... does that have any other use, than being sold for 5 crowns????
Secondly (i must warn you, this is the most irrelevant thing in this thread, i think): have you noticed that there are 3 different kind of rocks in this game?? Yes, there is rock, granite, and then there is a smothe-rock.... (4 kind of rocks, if you count coal)...... just to let you know..
:titan:

[Scatty]

No, the coal doesn't count. Other rocks can be throwed when picked up to hurt enemies slightly, and also can be equipped as weapons in hands I think, but the damage is very low. The different kinds of rocks do different damage, other than that there shouldn't be anything more behind them.

[Ninja-bent]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Aug 17 2006, 09:24 PM) 249318</div>
No, the coal doesn't count. Other rocks can be throwed when picked up to hurt enemies slightly, and also can be equipped as weapons in hands I think, but the damage is very low. The different kinds of rocks do different damage, other than that there shouldn't be anything more behind them.
[/b]
ok, thanks.
But what do you think of the Bronze horse-shue????
Is that just something you sell for 5 crowns, or does it have a reel use??

[Scatty]

I never found another use for it than throwing it at enemies for weak damage.

[Dinobot Grimlock]

ive played this a bit :titan: .... now i am at Yvel City 90210.

You allpropably now this: but there is one door in Yvel, which is shut, but you can pry open, by clicking at it.
Ive got a screenshot of it:
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2544/lolcd049is3.png
the secret door is just in front of the 3 person, and also at the cursor.

You all propably have known of this place. But just to let you all know,,,, they arent that much stuff in there. Only the spell, Hand of Fate think.
And when we now are talking about spells:
Where is it excactly you get the spell "Mist of doom"????
Because i can remember.

Another great thing i found around Yvel, was a Black Great Orc!!!!
Look at my screen-shot:
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/149/lolcd054fb0.png
and soon after another black great orc showed up!!!
Pretty cool

I love this game
:w00t:

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rabadi @ Aug 16 2006, 12:59 AM) 248807</div>
Well that's interesting. I never use D-Fend, I just use the traditional DOSBox. Do you mean that in D-Fend, the program will be intelligent enough to raise or reduce cycles according to the game being played? I mean, if I want to play games like Lands of Lore and Anvil of Dawn, I will set the cycles to 8000. But when I played Ancient Land of Ys, the cycles needed to be reduced as low as 250, 'cause otherwise the game will be much too fast. With Albion, however, no amount of raising/reducing cycles really worked for me, it is unbearably slow. So, can D-Fend adjust that automatically?
[/b]

No. Cycles cannot be automatically changed by D-Fend.It wouldn't know what speed you would be happy with! :) You still have to use Ctl-F12 to raise cycles etc. This is what I mean by setting te game up first time. Once you have started the game the first time and raised/lowered the cycles to what your happy with you would put that information into the game profile in D-Fend. D-Fend can auto cycle up and down by 500 (there's an option to tick in the profile) The main point is that once this information is put into D-Fend, that's it. In your Ancient Land of Y's you have to adjust the cycles everytime you play the game. You also have to mount the drive, and if it needs the CD you have to mount the CD as well. In D-Fend, you do all this just once. And once you put the cycles required into the profile, that's it.

All I can say is get D-Fend, read the readme.txt, or just try it. I am currently playing about 5 Abandonia games. I would hate to go back to opening DosBox, mounting the drives, going to the correct folder and starting the exe, then increasing/decreasing cycles, etc. In fact D-Fend is why I am happy playing 5 games at once. For me it's just a double click on the profile title in D-Fend to start the game. Hardly any more than any modern game shortcut on your desktop! :) And I haven't even mentioned the fact you have room for comments on the game, you can classify it in a genre, then list by genre, you have many settings you can play around with to get a stubbvorn game working, but it only involves ticking boxes, not entering all those esoteric commands in DosBox! :) There's many more options too that even I only skim the surface of. It really is an excellent DosBox front end. I personally think the two products should merge. I will close by saying that once you have used D-Fend for a little while you will never see how you managed with just DosBox! :)

I think you can tell I am a fan of D-Fend! :) And it's free! :)

[Guest]

About Mist of Doom: you'll find it in the Catwalk Caverns. As long as you explore everything, I'm sure you'll come across it. (It's kind of funny that, even though I knew the Hand of Fate spell existed, it took me years to find out where it was, and that you discover it even before Mist of Doom...)

About the horseshoes: in all my years of playing this game, I've never found any use for these items. My guess is that they are references to the game "Kyrandia 2: Hand of Fate". There are more references to that game, like the Pseudobushia Hugiflora in the Northland Forest and the Westwood Stick (there was a stick that comes back to you many times in HoF).

About the rocks: the smooth and granite rock do a little more damage when you throw them, but nothing special.

But then again, every time I thought I knew just about everything about this game, it manages to make another surprise. Who knows...

[Undertaker]

Oops, that would be my post. Sorry...

[rabadi]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Aug 21 2006, 08:47 AM) 249856</div>
No. Cycles cannot be automatically changed by D-Fend... [/b]
Thanks for the info. I usually do not play more than one game at a time, and after I finish a game I usually just burn the game along with saved game files into CDs then remove the folder from harddisk, so I may not get much use of D-Fend profile, but thanks anyway for the info :ok:

[Guest]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ninja-bent @ Aug 17 2006, 09:54 PM) 249326</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Aug 17 2006, 09:24 PM) 249318
No, the coal doesn't count. Other rocks can be throwed when picked up to hurt enemies slightly, and also can be equipped as weapons in hands I think, but the damage is very low. The different kinds of rocks do different damage, other than that there shouldn't be anything more behind them.
[/b]
ok, thanks.
But what do you think of the Bronze horse-shue????
Is that just something you sell for 5 crowns, or does it have a reel use??
[/b][/quote]




If I remember right I think that you have to give the horse shoe to some guy ih a wagon, and he'll give you something for it.. but again I'm not entirely sure which or where he is.. but for some reason I think that is what it is for

[Prey]

yeah I think so.. about the whole hoseshoe thing but like you I can't remember exactly where it is you have to give it away

[Scatty]

As far as I remember, there's only one wagon with a guy in the whole game. It's the one where Dawn will be hiding after Scotia poisoned king Richard in Gladstone, the wagon is in one of the woods. Don't ask me for more details, it's years by now since I played the game last time.

[uk_john2005]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rabadi @ Aug 22 2006, 02:07 AM) 250101</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Aug 21 2006, 08:47 AM) 249856
No. Cycles cannot be automatically changed by D-Fend... [/b]
Thanks for the info. I usually do not play more than one game at a time, and after I finish a game I usually just burn the game along with saved game files into CDs then remove the folder from harddisk, so I may not get much use of D-Fend profile, but thanks anyway for the info :ok:
[/b][/quote]

But surely even if you burn it to a CD, if you have to play the game in DosBox, you still have to set it up in dosbox everytime you play? If you are not using dosbox, yes, I understand you don't have to use d-fend, it only works with dosbox, after all! :)

[The Fifth Horseman]

That's what [autoexec] section of DosBox.conf is for, dude...

[rabadi (too lazy to login)]

Yup, exactly what the_fifth_horseman said. I have this folder named "games" in harddisk ("C:\games"). When I play a game, I just extract the downloaded .zip content into this folder. When I finish, I just delete the files (leaving the folder "games" empty but intact). In DosBox.conf, when I installed DOSBox long time ago, I already add some lines:

[autoexec]
# Lines in this section will be run at startup.
mount c c:\games
c:

So, for example I am currently playing Eye of the Beholder 2. I extracted EOB2 files into this C:\games folder. When I run DOSBox, I only need to start the game by typing "start". No need to type mount command anymore since it is already in autoexec section in DosBox.conf a long time ago.

[KiLL4H]

This page is sooo nice but can somebody help me plz?!
LAnds of lore the game i played so long long time ago doesn't work at my pc i got win xp
most of the other games are working :)
PLease help me thank you guys the help could be in german too because i am german :max:

[olmek joe]

KiLL4H: well that depends: have you used Dos-Box before??
I you have then it would be easy.

But otherwise just download the game. I downloaded mine through this site, i used the links on this site to find the website "the underdogs". There i found the big CD-versiion with all the voice and dialogue in.
I downloaded the Zipfile.
Unpaked the sip-file.
Then i found the file LOLCD.001 - opened it with win-rar or similar program in some folder.
It is now unpacked, to run it, you have to use Dos-box on the lands-bat ----- the bat-file

Im not the best one to tell you about Dosbox, but ill try anyway (clever people can fill in my blank spots):
Install dosbox (you will find a place to find the program somewhere on this site).
When it is installed you click on the dosbox icon in your desktop or start-menu.
When you start Dos-box you would have to find a folder on your maindrive to act as your c:
on my computer i use g: and a folder called "gamlespil".
When dos-box is started i type
mount c g:/gamlespil
Then that folder is a virtual DOS c:
now type:
c:
And you are now on your virtual DOS c:
now type whatever you called your lands of lore folder
example:
lolcd
then
lands
And you should be in the game.
But you might have togo into setup first, to make the sound better. i use Soundblaster...... just try your way forward.

Sorry for my english, but i hope it will be of help to you :ok:

[Knørka]

Im at Scotia´s Castle.

But in the catwalk-caverns.

There was some kind of copy-machine in the caverns.

Look:
http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3438/lolcd099rq4.png
How does it work????


Also, my dos-box cracked a little. It tilted a little.
I think it unlocked some of the craphics from some of the beta-vesrsions.... back when it was Eye of the Beholder
Look:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1637/lolcd105zs1.png
Weird, huh??
Arrows??? where did they come from?? What are they used for???

[Scatty]

Hmm, interesting. How did it happen that the arrows appeared?
As for the replicator, there should have been a scroll in the alcove, not sure though if it explained how it works. So this is how it does - you need to get those electrical spark-beings flying around and attacking you between the spark points in the two (or was it three?) side corridors. This is accomplished by the low level of Hand of Fate spell or more easily by this glove of the commander that pushes enemies back by Hand of Fate. How you get these beings near you? Well, rest a little and they should come to you while you do, they spawn on random places after some time. Rest at the dead end of one of this spark-point corridors, then when the spark being attacks you, push it back outside of the corridor, follow it, turn over and push it back into the corridor. Once it's between the spark points you activated them. You'll see it when it's done. Repeat the same at the two other corridors.
After you've done it, go to the replicator, put an item inside and you'll get two. Not all items can be replicated though, but you can replicate armor, weapons, commanders glove, potions and herbs for sure. Can't replicate the magic cube and similar quest stuff. I think the replication works only one time, so think twice on what to replicate. I didn't find much use to the replicator at that point of the game, all my characters had already good armor and weapons, but I usually replicated this best two-handed sword in the game anyway, or sometimes that hammer you get off the minotaur at White Tower.

[matthijs]

Lands of Lore is great, I actually bought the cd version on ebay to play it with the voices etc. However I can't migrate my save games from the version I downloaded of this site to the cd version :S. (Gives an error that the version is incorrect!)

Is it possible to somehow use the save games from this version with the cd version, or insert the voices etc from the cd into the version you can download from this site?

I'm too far start over again, but want to continue playing with the voices!

[Undertaker]

I'm afraid that's not possible, but perhaps I can send you a replacement savegame. If you'd like that, PM me with your e-mail and details about your savegame (where you were in the game and which champion you've chosen at the start of the game). I just hope the moderators don't mind me asking your e-mail...

PS. Are you Dutch by chance?

[matthijs]

Thanks for the offer, but will I have all the items and explored everything that I have in my normal savegame? (How are you going to create the new savegame?)

And yes I'm Dutch :).

[Undertaker]

Well, I'm a member of a German Lands of Lore forum and we have made savegames with all characters on various points in the game. I myself did Conrad and Kieran and I've done them the best I could, and I have no doubt the others are done very well as well, so I doubt you'd lose much, if not anything. ;)

Off Topic: I'm Dutch as well. I live in Rijnsburg (that's near Leiden), in case you're wondering.

EDIT: damn, I've made a mistake. The savegame we've made are for the disk version. I will see if I have any savegames for the CD version on my hard disk, but it'll be some hours before I'm at home.

[Morgoth]

I'm sure you would be better off with starting the game anew. Aside from the new speech that you'll otherwise miss out in the beginning, own savegames are always better than one from someone else. Has to do with own effort on the characters and game, a special binding you know, something you won't have if you jump into the game on other's savegame.

[matthijs]

Undertaker thanks for checking :) (I live near Deventer/Apeldoorn ;)).

Morgoth: I guess but I'm not going to start over :\ too far already to do that.

[Undertaker]

Ehm, it appears that I'm having some technical difficulties running the game. I'm using VDMSound and it says "IO error with FILEDATA.FDT <2> - exiting". Anyone knows what I should do?

Sorry for the delay with the savegames...

[matthijs]

I use DosBox :\. And no worries about the delay :) I probably don't have enough time to play until Friday anyways.

[Guest]

I have a problem in the mines ;-( The only way i can go is drop through a hole in level2 and fall down to lvl3. I arrive in a room with some kinda hydra monsters. They have a nest there which you can burn out with a fireball. There is also a stone monster, which i killed with Freeze.
But i can't get out there anymore. There is one plate on the ground but you cant move it, if you walked trough once ;-( Plz help me dudes!

[matthijs]

Not sure what place you mean. One of the places I can think of you have to do this: Go to the "nest" and click on one of the things there (should be a woman inside that can join you if you want to) and use your map to find a switch.

Or find a crack in the wall or something :P.

[Undertaker]

Yes, there's a crumbly wall somewhere in the North East. Attack it with a pick and it will disappear.