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[dosraider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Aug 31 2007, 11:29 PM) [snapback]308087[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David86 @ Aug 25 2007, 07:25 AM) [snapback]306627[/snapback]

Linux-Ubuntu [/b]

+1.
Viruses? PC protection?!? Who worries about that anymore? [/b][/quote]
May you enjoy your rootkits.

Shame is of course that you are a danger for everyone else.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 5 2007, 10:45 AM) [snapback]309049[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Aug 31 2007, 11:29 PM) [snapback]308087[/snapback]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(David86 @ Aug 25 2007, 07:25 AM) [snapback]306627[/snapback]

Linux-Ubuntu [/b]

+1.
Viruses? PC protection?!? Who worries about that anymore? [/b][/quote]
May you enjoy your rootkits.

Shame is of course that you are a danger for everyone else.
[/b][/quote]

A rootkit on my Ubuntu box? LOL There are only two ways to have such a problem.

1. A clever hacker gains access to the system remotely and installs one. Pigs will fly before this happens.

2. I unwittingly install one myself. The odds of this happening are even lower than option 1.


As everyone who has some knowledge of computers should know, the only danger to everyone are the sheep that run Microsoft software for their OS. They are the vulnerable, and they are the ones who need worry about protection.

[Japo]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Sep 5 2007, 10:59 PM) [snapback]309105[/snapback]</div>

As everyone who has some knowledge of computers should know, the only danger to everyone are the sheep that run Microsoft software for their OS.[/b]

Yay thanks for the insult. k: If you didn't like Dosraider's comment there was no need to overreact, it was enough with the arguments you provided. I'm aware of security, my machine is not a zombie thanks for asking, and since malware can't manage to bother me I'm more annoyed by aggro fanboys.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Japofran @ Sep 5 2007, 05:24 PM) [snapback]309109[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Sep 5 2007, 10:59 PM) [snapback]309105[/snapback]

As everyone who has some knowledge of computers should know, the only danger to everyone are the sheep that run Microsoft software for their OS.[/b]

Yay thanks for the insult. k: If you didn't like Dosraider's comment there was no need to overreact, it was enough with the arguments you provided. I'm aware of security, my machine is not a zombie thanks for asking, and since malware can't manage to bother me I'm more annoyed by aggro fanboys.
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I did not intend to be insulting. If I had, I would of used something like "mindless sheep". I know that there's a massive variety of folks who run Windows, from the very smart / very tech savvy, to those who can barely turn a PC on. "Sheep" was used simply to indicate the "follow the crowd" nature that explains why MS continues to dominate the OS landscape. I don't see that as necessarily a bad thing. The reality is it's just easier to go with the flow versus trying to paddle up stream.

Regardless of the phrasing, I'm 100% correct. The main threat to the internet and computers everywhere is wide spread exploitation of a vulnerability. Ergo, the 90-some percent of computers running Windows are the danger to us all, as they make a very tempting target.

[Japo]

No worries, I just found the word inappropriate and I still think it was so. Since the only thing I want an OS for is managing files and running programs, I see no point in paddling up stream for the sake of it. However for geeksim's sake I've thought for long about exploring Linux in a virtual machine, only that I haven't found the free time yet.

Microsoft may not have the best products possible but if it's able to keep its near monopoly that's becase, contrarily to what its haters would say, it still serves its customers satisfactorily. The clever customers and the stupid ones. IBM didn't do that with its hardware near monopoly and now that's history, sold to the Chinese, and now IBM makes only software with a minor market share.

About security, at least Vista includes some security features (like XP SP2 included a basic inbound firewall) while at the same time remaining usable for everybody. It's easy for a Linux user to laugh at the average Windows user. But the point is that non computer savvy people have the right to use their computers, but if you face them with a VIRUS.EXE - Allow/Deny popup, they'll be calling tech support. So if Linux users like to make fun at the people who know less about computers than they do, okay do so, but at the end of the day these people who don't want to be bothered about computer knowledge will still want to use their computers nonetheless. So if Linux wants to compete with Windows (yes even being for free) for this audience, it will have to provide an OS than anyone can use just like Windows; it's haughty and wrong to laugh at them and deride them, as if they hadn't the right to use a word processor or browse the Web just because they don't know about security.

Just my $0.02

[STFM]

if everyone ran linux, hackers would just go and write hacks, spyware and virus's for linux. Theyd just have to work a little harder at it.

[dosraider]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Sep 5 2007, 10:59 PM) [snapback]309105[/snapback]</div>

A rootkit on my Ubuntu box? LOL There are only two ways to have such a problem.[/b]

Waw, someone who knows all about those things, I'd like to shake your hand. A real Linux specialist.
Of course you are much smarter than I am, I'm a complete n00b on those matters, I've only been some 15 years working on/with Linuxes-Unixes.

One of the many many many....
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_128745.htm
Discovery Date 11/26/1998
Now yeah, of course they're also n00bs.
What an idiots, they really think they can teach you something.
The n00bs.

I would like to thank you sincerely for that valuable info, now I can dump my Avir and mal/spy/whateverware progs. I know I'm safe now. Thank you, thank you.

I appreciate this.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 7 2007, 11:40 AM) [snapback]309536[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(doublejack @ Sep 5 2007, 10:59 PM) [snapback]309105[/snapback]

A rootkit on my Ubuntu box? LOL There are only two ways to have such a problem.[/b]

Waw, someone who knows all about those things, I'd like to shake your hand. A real Linux specialist.
Of course you are much smarter than I am, I'm a complete n00b on those matters, I've only been some 15 years working on/with Linuxes-Unixes.

One of the many many many....
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_128745.htm
Discovery Date 11/26/1998
Now yeah, of course they're also n00bs.
What an idiots, they really think they can teach you something.
The n00bs.

I would like to thank you sincerely for that valuable info, now I can dump my Avir and mal/spy/whateverware progs. I know I'm safe now. Thank you, thank you.

I appreciate this.
[/b][/quote]

This is from the link you provided:

Overview -

This is a trojan detection. Unlike viruses, trojans do not self-replicate. They are spread manually, often under the premise that they are beneficial or wanted. The most common installation methods involve system or security exploitation, and unsuspecting users manually executing unknown programs. Distribution channels include email, malicious or hacked web pages, Internet Relay Chat (IRC), peer-to-peer networks, etc.[/b]

It's very simple, if I'm not an idiot, I'm not going to get a rootkit on my Ubuntu box. Period.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(STFM @ Sep 7 2007, 01:19 AM) [snapback]309420[/snapback]</div>

if everyone ran linux, hackers would just go and write hacks, spyware and virus's for linux. Theyd just have to work a little harder at it.
[/b]

Very valid point. Which is the main reason I don't complain that so many people want to use Windows. Makes my life a lot easier.

[dosraider]

This is my last post about this subject, I know it's no use discutting this matters.

Article dated:
Discovery Date 11/26/1998

It was an simple example doublejack, no need to analyse that article.

We are almost 10 years later now, do you really think the devs of such stuff have been sleeping all this time?
Do you even believe yourself that Ubu is invulnerable?
Get real will you?

FYI: in the past there have even been kernels released that were infected.
Do some research and learn a bit or you only will completely ridiculize yourself.

Over and out for me.
You may play the fool by yourself now.

[Japo]

Hey Dosraider, back on topic, what about the programs that you deem effective? I'd appreciate your inpunt.