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[Sal]

Hey Playbanosh....If you are into movies have a look at one that was made in 1976 called "Logan's Run" it is still available and was quite advanced for its time. It perfectly illustrates what you hae been saying about "Utopia" ..people live in a post apocolyptic world in dome cities where machines do everything.The hedonistic lifestyle is followed and pretty much all things are allowed...However when each child is born (no one knows who their birth mother is )they are fitted with a "life clock" this allows them 30 years of life and at the end of this time they must submit to "Carosel" or termination.(presumably all good things must come to an end sometime!)The one thing the controlling machines have not taken into account is the human spirits longing to "know" people want to run away and find out what is outside the dome..some are beginning to question "Carosel"
In the end there is no Utopia

[Bobbin Threadbare]

Hang on, guys! I need to get my tin foil hat on before I watch this! Paranoia isn't good for you.

[Playbahnosh]

Originally Posted by Sal

In the end there is no Utopia

I saw Logan's Run back in the day, and, with my teenager mind, I found it to be quite impressive and I did believe it's message. But, as you know, expectations change as human kind and technology progresses, making it crucial to re-evaluate our beliefs and expectations of the future from time to time. This is a time like that.

BTW, did you see the 1976 movie Network? Here is a clip from that movie. This is a golden example of what I was talking about regarding "media-numbness". I'm am, too, mad as hell, and I'm not really going to take this anymore. They had mostly the same problems back then. But! You see how the guy saying all those things is portrayed? Soaking wet, bad teeth, shaggy hair, ugly overcoat and a crazy gleam in his eyes. He literally goes raving mad on screen, getting more and more incoherent as he goes. Thus, the ideas he represented got invalidated by the fact that he is, indeed, crazy. Isn't that interesting?

Okay, back to topic. The notion, that in the new society, people will become lazy, gluttonous and hedonistic, is by now, pretty far fetched. For a while, yes, they will be like that, but not forever. As resources will be abundant, and everyone could fulfill their desires, common sense will kick in: Why have more of something than you need? Why overeat when it is, in fact, a threat to your health? Why lie, when you have nothing to gain by it? Why commit crime, when you have everything you need? ...etc.

As for dome-cities and "Carosel", they were a thing of fear back then. We wouldn't need dome-cities, we wouldn't need to condense people in any way. We could produce housing, that is efficient, secure, self-sustaining and cozy, in virtually every part of the world, up on the tallest mountain and under the see, it doesn't matter. We'll have generously sized and open living environments, there is no need to keep people from going about their business, why should we? As for "Carosel", the notion of controlled life was a very huge fear back then, fear of communism and other totalitarian form of life, and that is what is depicted in the 30 year lifespan, the 'death-clock' and the inevitable murder. In our new wold, we won't need stuff like that, quite the contrary, we will have much-much advanced healthcare, allowing us to live longer than ever before. What will prevent over-population, you ask? Birth control. By recognizing the fact, that Earth can't really support an unlimited population, people will realize, that it's in their insterest not to over-populate, so they won't. These things can only be achieved by educating people, teaching them how Earth works, how resource management works and things like that. When people are aware of dangers and are tought methods to prevent potentially harmful scenarios, it will be all good.

Originally Posted by arlesya

I'm a very infuriated person, as I'm noticing you are also.

Okay, I see what you mean, and I'm really quite sorry if I offended anyone.
The thing is, I'm normally a very calm and collected person, but at some times I can get pretty intense, and people tend to find it very puzzling. But I see what you mean, by having raving emotions is not a way to present theories and discuss stuff. I'll try to be more 'managable'