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[humorguy]

Originally Posted by _r.u.s.s.

but when people learn dosbox, they learn how it really works! and then there wouldn't be unsolved simple problems with stuff it they understand the way it works, in case something tiny is wrong

That is so elitist it confirms everything I said! You ant to play one or two DOS games and you start trying to understand DOSBox and it's horrendous because you have never dealt with DOS type commands! This frustrates you so you give up, or you immediately come her and ask how to mount a CEDRom, then the sound doesn't work, so you come back, then the graphics, so you come back, and on and on.

All I know is if that person had started with a front end he wouldn't have been so frustrated and would have been able to work out a front end a lot quicker - hence less frustration and less likelihood of giving up! At the same time, our threads would have more comments about the game instead of every third question being about DOSBox! Have the messages in the Games threads are DOSBox help! You can have 10 messages dealing with someone and their DOSBox problems on a certain game, and no one will ever mention trying a front end, instead they are happy to go on and on helping with the DOSBox problem. Well I don't go to the threads to read DOSBox question after DOSBox question, and I find it frustrating how some Game Threads are just 80% DOSBox questions!

Based on the Game Threads, it strikes me lots of people DON'T go on to learn DOSBox, because of it's difficulty they just learn what they need. But this means they regularly have problems with 'non-standard' DOS games.

I don;t know why you and others are so against front ends. You yourself R.U.S.S. have just said that somehow a DOSBox question is a valid question whereas a front end question would not. Why do you and others have this bias toward DOSBox? Why cannot you recommend someone to try a front end if he/she is struggling? I just don;t get it. Even the main DOSBox site puts the front end on the same site - so the DOSBox programmers are quite happy for people to use front ends on their program - so why aren't you?!

I don't get it, and suppose I never will. As I say, I see it as a form of elitism.

[_r.u.s.s.]

well mister frontent enthusiast. i dunno dude, there's a simple "intro" which explains pretty much everything and every retardal with iq over 90 should get it, the simple commands are also included in readme. it's not like you had to download drivers separately for each soud card, mouse etc, it's all already included in dosbox. it's just about navigation and enviroment that is different in front ends. it is really worth "learning" simpliest dos commands. i don't see how are they much difficultier than front end clickings

by the way yes, the game threads should be about games and questions belong to troubleshooting

[humorguy]

Originally Posted by _r.u.s.s.

well mister frontent enthusiast. i dunno dude, there's a simple "intro" which explains pretty much everything and every retardal with iq over 90 should get it, the simple commands are also included in readme. it's not like you had to download drivers separately for each soud card, mouse etc, it's all already included in dosbox. it's just about navigation and enviroment that is different in front ends. it is really worth "learning" simpliest dos commands. i don't see how are they much difficultier than front end clickings

by the way yes, the game threads should be about games and questions belong to troubleshooting

Oh I see - you can be a DOSBox fanatic and that's okay. I am one of just a couple voices for front ends and I am a front end enthusiast. It's got nothing to do with that. It's about the fact we DO have game threads full of DOSBox questions - go and have a look!

All I say is give front ends an equal look in, like they do on the DOSBox website!

It's obvious from the messages in the Game Threads, some people just look at those DOSBox commands and they glaze over! That's why they go back tot the game thread and ask question after question there instead!

Don't worry R.U.S.S. I know I have lost. front ends are never going to be given a fair hearing on this site. Hardcore gamer don't get it. Not everyone is like you or me R.U.S.S. not everyone can learn DOS Commands and the intricateness of the DOSBOx command system. We would have 1,000's of extra DOS gamers if people knew about front ends and how they can help certain gamers.

But as I say, they'll never find out because people like you are not so much pro DOSBox, but anti front end. And for the life of me, I don't know why!

[_r.u.s.s.]

you have lost? what have you lost? o_O it's not bad if somebody tries front end. you can go on and recommend front ends, nobody's gonna fight against that. but i think it takes as much effort as understanding and setting up a front end. i just recommend dosbox, which is the emulator itself and in my opinion not really difficult to understand for anybody who understands a front end