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[Havell]

As it is in England, but we're not communists.

[TaloN]

Originally posted by The Picard@Dec 6 2004, 01:35 PM
The idea is flawed and the execution so far is genocidal.

Communism commes from the idea that all people should be the same rather then everyone being equal.

no truer wod ever spoken.

[Sebatianos]

OK:
a ) Communism as an idea brought forth by Karl Marx: A violet way to prevent the kapitalist from exployting the working class. Wanted to use force to overthrow the elite and put a dictatorship of the proletariat in power - REALLY BAD IDEA.
b ) Communism as the regime in power in different countries: Was only communism in it's name and some superficial claims. Actaully the socialism in ex-Yugoslavia was the closest thing to the real state-communism (and it was a faliour - BTW: Bohor - love your profile picture - I know it's kinda late - but happy aniversery of AVNOJ).
c ) Second international - the main brain behind it was Karl Kautsky. I suggest you read all his work! He tryed to combine the positive ideas of communism (people not exploiting another people, people being together in peaceful and harmonious comunities, people caring for eachother,...) with other positive values of the society (even tried to prove that the original idea of communism is close to the original mathods that the early chritianity used). He was the first to attack Lenin when he imployed terror in the Russian Soviet Republic (even before the first SSSR). His kind of communisim (also referd to as Austromarxism) - a good idea, that could be really build upon.

Personaly I would say I am more of a communist then anything else - but not in the political sence (far away from Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Tito, Mao, Castro,...). The main idea of: Everybody work as much as they can and take as much as they need; might be unpractical but if people would not cheat on the idea (which they would) it would not be a bad world out there. I'd only change the "work as much as you can" into "work as much as it is needed". If all the work would be distributed among all the people who would be able to do it people would need to do less and would be able to gain more.

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by Sebatianos@Dec 6 2004, 08:16 PM

Personaly I would say I am more of a communist then anything else - but not in the political sence (far away from Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Tito, Mao, Castro,...). The main idea of: Everybody work as much as they can and take as much as they need; might be unpractical but if people would not cheat on the idea (which they would) it would not be a bad world out there. I'd only change the "work as much as you can" into "work as much as it is needed". If all the work would be distributed among all the people who would be able to do it people would need to do less and would be able to gain more.

So you follow Thomas Morus utopean approach to economy and work?

[Sebatianos]

Basically yes.
I don't blindly follow some writen words centouries old - they need to be addopted, but yes. Thomas Morus is a shinig example of a positive thinker who contributed to the future generations.
His phalangs were a small revolution in itself.

[Proudwolf]

I really don't care to much about them or anything to do with them. As long as they don't have anything to do with me I good.

[Iron_Scarecrow]

Bankrupt why did you bring this up. You're just asking for pointless arguements. I say we ban all conversation on religion and communism, and anything else that is going to start these stupid arguements.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Iron_Scarecrow@Dec 7 2004, 07:54 AM
Bankrupt why did you bring this up. You're just asking for pointless arguements. I say we ban all conversation on religion and communism, and anything else that is going to start these stupid arguements.

WHY?
People are able to talk in a civilized maner and such conversation can be intelectually stimulating - not to mention interesting (to some at least - othervise such topics would not apeare). If you're not interested in them there's no point in you reading them - no one is forcing you... Nor to comment for that matter, but every opinion (if it is not insoulting) is always welcome in a discusion.
And if you wanna have a fight over something - you can have it even over a computer game (people are arguing about which game is the worst, which Civ is the best) and those topisc aren't problematic, but could be insulting also...

[Bankrupt]

yeah I mean like lenin. Communism has it ways to become dikttatorship but still.


communism is a great way of living if the people behind is right k:

[Fruit Pie Jones]

Do I want everything I make and do to be the property of the State?

In a word, no.
In two words, hell no.