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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(cazgotsaved @ Aug 8 2007, 06:28 PM) [snapback]303679[/snapback]</div>

skaven - what game did you get your avatar off of?


Oh, and the comment about Fallout not being about gas? Well...now a big part of it is going to be about finding water, so there goes your happy thought.
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I got the skaven pic from www.civfantics.com They made a great warhammer mod for civilization 3. I got this pic from one of the units a fan did for the mod. I can't really remember which artist did this particular one because I got it a long time ago but if you go here and search for skaven you'll find a lot of units fans have made http://forums.civfanatics.com/downlo...p?do=cat&id=76 If you like Civilization 3 and Warhammer you should definatly download the warhammer mod it's great.

About fallout looking for water well that makes more sense than gas, that's what I meant about Mad Max being silly. At least fallout didn't just flat out ignore the need for food, shelter and water as a means for survival :-)



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blood-Pigggy @ Aug 8 2007, 07:59 PM) [snapback]303691[/snapback]</div>

They're just stupid.
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Really? They're stupid? It is their opinion and for voicing that opinion they're stupid. I suppose that everyone who has played Fallout should have the same opinion about it as you do or they're stupid. Okey dokey then I'm stupid.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Luchsen @ Aug 8 2007, 10:26 PM) [snapback]303733[/snapback]</div>

But the best is:

"What it comes down to is that we're all Fallout fans. We love the original games. (But) not every Fallout fan wants a turn-based isometric game." Emil Pagliarulo, Lead Designer, Fallout 3

And similar quotes like: We are great Fallout fans, so we know what Fallout 3 has to be.

A Fallout game has to be turnbased and isometric to be a Fallout game. Implication: Fans don't want a Fallout game?

[edit] I shouldn't have posted this. There's so much to say... [/edit]
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I loved that quote by Emil also. Let's reverse it and see if any fans would be upset. I could say Hey I loved Counter Strike and I'm a huge fan but not everyone wants FPS so we're going to make it TB and take away the multiplayer aspect of it. Do you think many CS fans would get a little peeved? I think so.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blood-Pigggy @ Aug 9 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]303750[/snapback]</div>

Unfortunatly for the majority of Fallout "fans" Fallout 3, will, and no matter what you say, is a sequel, it's written in stone, what Bethesda says will technically be canon, and although personal opinion and perception will differ, that's how it will be shown and portrayed. Considering Bethesda's PR (Who before Oblivion was released, I thought only made sports games because Wayne Gretzky's Hockey was the immediate game I thought of with the name Bethesda) the game will sell well, and there will most likely be more sequels.

There's a strange belief that Bethesda can't make a good game and have good marketing at the same time. Now in no way was Oblivion a "great" game, (I think the attention it got was more directed to the fact that it was one of the first true next gen games) but it's still decent, and people that gas about it sucking are over reacting bung holes who have their own heads where the sun don't shine.
There's some "factual" representation in the Fallout "Community" (IE No Mutants Allowed, Duck & Cover) that all the TES games were terrible.

I'm no snob, but playing the Fallout titles and maybe Wasteland (although the majority of Fallout "fans" who claim they have played it are flat out liars, they wouldn't spend five minutes on the archaic interface unless they were forced to at a young age, like me for example, it was the only damn game that I had for six months) does not make you some kind of gaming genius or exultant.

They enjoy being douches, then maybe they should enjoy the negative attention they get.
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Question: You loved BOS for the x-box right?
It also was set in the fallout world and wasn't TB. Does anyone even consider that load of garbage a part of the Fallout world? ummm nope. The same applies here.
God you must of hated having to use DOS and play all those nasty RPG back in the 80's and 90's. I personally love them and still do. I'm replaying starflight 2 as we speak because nothing even remotely interesting is available now. Well Overlords was pretty fun but finished it waay too fast.

Also D&C and No Mutants have been here for a loooonnnnngggg time and if it wasn't for forums like theirs I doubt Interplay could of sold the Fallout IP for as much as they did and if you're wondering why people are worried about what Beth will do to their beloved frachise take a look at the Star Trek game Beth did, legacy, and tell me that isn't a big pile of poo. Also not everyone is a fan of Oblivion style games. I bought all of Beth's games since Daggerfall and enjoyed them up to a point but I without a doubt become bored with the nonsense in these games and quit after a few weeks.

I can't believe I've been sucked into a Fallout debate, I just wanted to say it was nice to see everyone talking about it and thought we should have a movie but everywhere I go I see comments like from bloody dolphin piggy boy up there and I've finally had enough. Dude here is the bottom line, it's our opinion. It's not wrong or right or smart or stupid or we're all being a bunch of douches. We loved the game the way it is we just wish they bought the franchise with the fans of it in mind. Seriously they could of just made Oblivion with guns and it would of sold well without this hatred from the fans that loved the story, combat (YES TB Not the Tactical mumbo jumbo) and the way you had freedom in the game without the NPC's all having the same voice and saying the same stuff over and over and over again. I'm a bit surprised to find this kind of hatred for the fans over here at abandonia. By definition people here normally like and still enjoy playing older computer games which a lot of the at the time were TB. Oh well I guess you get hatred for Fallout fans everywhere you go.