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[Shunk Eat Enemy]

one reason i will forever hate the extreme christians there against everthing like our music marilyn manson like you said, hes not a bad guy hes normal he just loves pissing off christians and stirring poop, also chritians well maybe not them but it was that damn
al gore who started the whole parental advisrory on cds becuz his daughter had twisted sister cds TWISTED SISTER PLEASE OLD MAN there not that bad. another thing that bugs extreme christians that dont need to bother people about is violent games now thats a bit nit picky if your that concered watch kids more often not complain about what little jhonny did on GTA while you were baking cookies for the whole church. grrr it makes me just want to go on a spree
its almost like extreme christians are becoming police of the us trying to sensor us

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by Titan@Jun 17 2005, 12:54 AM
IMHO i THINK he realy excisted, but was just another prophet, like thousands of other around that time, but good marketing made him populare, and his PR-crew saw to that he did "miracles".

You're right, there were many people claiming to be prophets in this time (under Roman rule, in poverty), Jesus stood out because he did have a position of power as a rabbi and scholar.

I REALY wonder how creationists explain radiation and radioactive isotopes..

I hope you don't mind me replying to a question with another question. How does evolution explain the fact that, after all these years, the skin of all creatures on earth is still slowly being corroded by oxygen. Oxygen is slowly destroying us all, and it has been doing that since the beginning of... oxygen.
Wouldn't evolution have solved this by now?
On that same note: if you are a creationist, why did The Creator allow it to be so?

[VERTICAL PIG]

Originally posted by Titan@Jun 16 2005, 11:54 PM

He's jewish, and it was Jews who demanded for him to be exectuted at the roman govenor.

welllll duuhhh

[Tulac]

About the Jesus issue, I ask every Christian, if a new "Son of God" would appear, and he also would do many miracles, and ask for reform of the church, would you believe him, if the church authorities would deny his "holyness"? I don't think so, because we would try to find rational answers to his miracles, people 2000 years ago didn't need that, they were poor, uneducated, and easy to deceive, and as a most important thing they needed a messiah...
And maybe the Christianity would remain a small sect if Roman Emperor(not sure which one) wouldn't have made it legal, and later another emperor who made it the 'only' legal religion...
So any religion is basically used at first to give people some hope, meaning, but can also be misused to control them, I think atheism is just another part of human evolution, were there atheist when people were uneducated and didn't understand a world around them? NO

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by Tulac@Jun 17 2005, 10:26 AM
were there atheist when people were uneducated and didn't understand a world around them? NO

That's not true, there were about 3 'prophets' in Juda?sm that questioned the existance of G'd. When G'd spoke to Jonah in a dream (Jonah from Jonah and the Whale) Jonah believed he was going insane and blaimed the teachings of his father (who he shunned because he hated the religiousness of his father) Jonah decided to run away, probably to greece where he hoped to find rationalism...

If Atheism is going to be shovled down our throats like religion was a few centuries ago, count me out! if there is one freedom I wish to preserve it's the freedom to believe what I want to believe.

I think atheism is just another part of human evolution

Thats about the same argument christians used to convince people from other religions to convert. It is "the next step"

Ironic, Atheism tries so hard to distance itself from the organized religions and the gods they hate so much, they start to sound like medieval priests themselves.

[Tulac]

Originally posted by Stroggy@Jun 17 2005, 10:43 AM
That's not true, there were about 3 'prophets' in Juda?sm that questioned the existance of G'd. When G'd spoke to Jonah in a dream (Jonah from Jonah and the Whale) Jonah believed he was going insane and blaimed the teachings of his father (who he shunned because he hated the religiousness of his father) Jonah decided to run away, probably to greece where he hoped to find rationalism...

And they were educated, there were much less atheists.
No one is opposing your religion, I think we all have much to learn from every religion, but that basically the religion is not-respected these days(everyone is interpreting it their own way, mostly they use it when it's useful to them), and by that religion has lost it's power, most people don't reffer to religion on all of their moral questions, some they answer by themselves, and by that they are acting much as atheists are...

[MdaG]

Originally posted by Stroggy@Jun 17 2005, 05:56 AM
I hope you don't mind me replying to a question with another question. How does evolution explain the fact that, after all these years, the skin of all creatures on earth is still slowly being corroded by oxygen. Oxygen is slowly destroying us all, and it has been doing that since the beginning of... oxygen.
Wouldn't evolution have solved this by now?
On that same note: if you are a creationist, why did The Creator allow it to be so?

Care to explain that statement? (Oxygen eroding...)

[Stroggy]

Well everybody knows that oxygen burns when exposed to it in large quantities. However even the way we perceive it now around us, it burns and corrodes our skin (much like rust), now it has this effect on pretty much every creature, so wouldn't evolution have made the creatures adapted to their surroundings (oxygen) so that it wouldn't be toxic?

[Havell]

Originally posted by Stroggy@Jun 17 2005, 11:58 AM
Well everybody knows that oxygen burns when exposed to it in large quantities. However even the way we perceive it now around us, it burns and corrodes our skin (much like rust), now it has this effect on pretty much every creature, so wouldn't evolution have made the creatures adapted to their surroundings (oxygen) so that it wouldn't be toxic?

It would take a long time to die because of this effect, people die of old age, starvation or being eaten long before they feel the effeects of this. Therefore, there is no evolutionary pressure to develop resistance to this, somebody with this resistance would still die of old age or whatever before it became useful. With life span increasing as it is, we will eventually live to be old enough to be harmed by this effect. At that point, anyone who is resistant will have an advantage and so this advantage will be passed on (if, of course, that person can still have children at their extremely old age). That's the way evolution works, advantages are only passed on to the next generation when they are useful.

[Indignus IV]

Nice answer, Havell! I learned about this in biology......didn't think of what you were saying, though. Natural selection. I should have known. k: