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[Lizard]

Originally posted by Sly+Mar 28 2005, 12:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sly @ Mar 28 2005, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Sebatianos@Mar 27 2005, 05:11 AM
It seems to me, you consider evolution to be something you could see in a cheap sci-fi movie.

Yes I do believe that.

Based on your story, you just further emphasized that belief.


"The fifth leg of a cow would not be new information - you're right!"

You were correct up to this point. The fifth leg of a cow is not new information.

"But mutation is not just the visable change of form."

Your story below was all about visable change of form.

"The fifth leg would mean that somwhere in the dna "blueprint" there was a mistake - so an extra limb grew. "

I agree with you there.
Then you went on this tangent, that looks like it just came straight out of a sci-fi script. I underlined the problems in your dialogue.. Please see my "Main Point", I posted before.

"This mistake could be different as well. This cow could grow fangs. This would still make it a cow, but it would probably die - its teeth would not be apropriate for chewing grass. But if this cow would start eating meat (let's say would start attacking sheep) the fangs would come in handy. So the next step would be a fanged cow with the ability to (let's say) jump - to catch the pray easier. This would change the outlook of the cow. The hind legs would have to be stronger (if none of the cows would mutate that way this breed would die off). Next the cow would have to become less wounrable (the udder is to exposed). By this point you'd you would? get a cow able to sit down (because of the change with its hind legs; it would have fangs; would eat meat - this would change it's intestance - no more 9 stomachs; this cow would have small udders and would give far less milk - also the calf could hurt the mother cow if it had fangs; the tail would be in a way - so it would have to disapeare; probably the shape of the head would change,...). So in the final stage that would not be a cow anymore. It would stop being a cow when it could not produce off spring with a normal cow - they would be incompatible. If all the evolutionary brakes would be in hte favour of the mutated cow - this could happen within dozzens of generation (and that's extremely fast).
But there are better chances that the first cow would not survive.
So just mutating isn't enough. It's when a series of small mutations (adoptations) take place and they all benifit a specie that real evolution takes place.
This is fairly common with single cell organisms - every change that happens happens within that cell and the mutation is caried to all the offspring (unless the first cell dies before spliting in two). But with more complex organism this form of mutation takes that much longer, most of mutations don't contribute to development of the race..." [/b][/quote]
hmmmm.I am just curious, Sly but what actually want you say or proove? :blink:
That belief in god is better than scientific theories like theory of evolution.That these theories are just different forms of religion.That you need faith in these theories exactly like in religions?Or something else and I am just dumb enought to dont understan it(this is NOT meant sarcastic,or ironic.I HAVE little errors sometimes and then I cant see obvious.But I think I am not alone :whistle: )? :blink:

[Yobor]

Well first of all, yes it COULD it WOULD. Everthing is random chance. Everything. Some people ask how unlikely the conditions for life are for us, but think of it this way: If it had not been so perfect we would not be here.

[Sly]

Originally posted by Lizard+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Lizard)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>* That belief in god is better than scientific theories like theory of evolution. [/b]

No that is not my intent. People are free to believe whatever they want.

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That these theories are just different forms of religion. That you need faith in these theories exactly like in religions?.[/quote]

Bingo. Dude, you are a smart man!!

[Yobor]

Evolution is not a "just a theory". This was discussed earlier.

Also, you DO NOT NEED faith in order to know the fact of Evolution. By comparind data we can make logical assumptions about the natural world. Just like by looking at a broken egg you can tell there was something in there at one point. You use past experience and factual data.

[Tulac]

Did you know that in some American schools the want to ban the theory of evolution and intdouce kreacionism :blink:, of course that's in the midwest, but that's very dangerous because it would mean de-secularization, and imposing a religion on a individual...

[Havell]

Originally posted by Tulac@Mar 28 2005, 01:52 PM
Did you know that in some American schools the want to ban the theory of evolution and intdouce kreacionism :blink:, of course that's in the midwest, but that's very dangerous because it would mean de-secularization, and imposing a religion on a individual...

That's already happening in many states.

@Sly, Seb was using a hypothetical situation as an example, pointing out that he said "could" and "would" many times does not cut it as a argument.

Everything needs faith to be believed in, that includes evolution, but due to the evidence I have much more faith in the theory of evolution than that of creation.

@Yobor, evolution is "just a theory", see the other thread for more on that he sums it up well. I think you are getting "hypothesis" and "theory" mixed up.

The claim that the earth (and the rest of creation) is 6000 years old is plainly absurd in my eyes due to aritfacts and records from back then, plus the evidence surrounding the big bang (which you still haven't come to yet Sly).

[Yobor]

Putting Creationism in schools is absolutley apalling. Evolution is the most up to date Theory we have on that subject, and putting Faith into it just makes the fools look stupid. School is NOT the place for religion.

[DeathDude]

That's your opinion, just because evolution is the most up to date, people should have a choice whether they want to believe it or not, in school it's the same thing, there should be a choice.

[Zarkumo]

Originally posted by Yobor@Mar 22 2005, 08:09 PM
Parasites and viruses need hosts to survive, so Noah family would all have to have diseases such as Small Pox, Influenza, Leprosy, and Malaria, not to mention the countless other deadly afflictions only humans contract.

:roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

I laughed so hard I almost wet my pants.

BTW: What grade did you get?

[Yobor]

I turn this in tomorrow. Also, people should not have a choice to view scientific data. Sure, they don't have to believe it, but the reason religion is not in schools is because if it was, everyone would be arguing or punished or ridiculed over what religion they are.