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[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 7 2007, 07:14 PM) [snapback]309624[/snapback]</div>

This is my last post about this subject, I know it's no use discutting this matters.

Article dated:
Discovery Date 11/26/1998

It was an simple example doublejack, no need to analyse that article.

We are almost 10 years later now, do you really think the devs of such stuff have been sleeping all this time?
Do you even believe yourself that Ubu is invulnerable?
Get real will you?

FYI: in the past there have even been kernels released that were infected.
Do some research and learn a bit or you only will completely ridiculize yourself.

Over and out for me.
You may play the fool by yourself now.
[/b]

I'll let an expert do my talking

Security is, as we all know, a process, not a product. So when you use Linux, you're not using a perfectly safe OS. There is no such thing. But Linux and Mac OS X establish a more secure footing than Microsoft Windows, one that makes it far harder for viruses to take hold in the first place, but if one does take hold, harder to damage the system, but if one succeeds in damaging the system, harder to spread to other machines and repeat the process. When it comes to email-borne viruses and worms, Linux may not be completely immune - after all, nothing is immune to human gullibility and stupidity - but it is much more resistant. To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it. I know which one I'll trust. How about you?[/b]

Scott Granneman is a senior consultant for Bryan Consulting Inc. in St. Louis. He specializes in Internet Services and developing Web applications for corporate, educational, and institutional clients.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/li...indows_viruses/

As one of millions and millions of regular people that are wired to the internet, I don't get anywhere near enough exposure to worry about a hacker taking an interest with my box. And all of the experts agree with me, at least the ones that aren't trying to sell protective software, if I'm not an idiot and infect my own box then I have nothing to worry about. I'll leave reading Catcher in the Rye and generating countless conspiracy theories of boogie-man hackers out to get me to those who are into that sort of thing.

[dosraider]

Oh my, one last *last* post, doublejack is too funny.
You like quotes , don't you doublejack? Don't you?
Lets see what I can find on internet, and no I won't quote you, you haven't wrote anything that's worth quoting t'll now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("A site with much more expertise-know-how and 'seniority' than some totally unknown Scott Granneman senior consultant for Bryan Consulting Inc. from St. Louis @ but REALLY a Cie wordwide known, not some random quoting here doublejack, this is the real real real stuff")</div>

BLA bla bla bla bla ........................... plenty bla bla .....
security productivity good stabile fast
BLA bla bla bla bla ........................... plenty bla bla .....[/b]

It's on TeH internet, must be true.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/...es/default.mspx
And some zillion other reasons why MS Vista is TeH best EVAH.
So get your sorry arse on Vista doublejack, get it on it.
It's wroty-writy on TeH intehnet.

Once again my last post.

But say, doublejack, when surfing on TeH intehnet, don't you have to download bits of stuffies on your shoe-box?

Whoopsy, not shoe-box , Ubu-box, wasn't it? You're on a Ubu-box. *U*b*u*-*b*o*x*.

My last post in this topic, really.
lmao.

[_r.u.s.s.]

you v been to any chat rooms lately?

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 11 2007, 04:53 AM) [snapback]310162[/snapback]</div>

Oh my, one last *last* post, doublejack is too funny.
You like quotes , don't you doublejack? Don't you?
Lets see what I can find on internet, and no I won't quote you, you haven't wrote anything that's worth quoting t'll now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE("A site with much more expertise-know-how and 'seniority' than some totally unknown Scott Granneman senior consultant for Bryan Consulting Inc. from St. Louis @ but REALLY a Cie wordwide known, not some random quoting here doublejack, this is the real real real stuff")

BLA bla bla bla bla ........................... plenty bla bla .....
security productivity good stabile fast
BLA bla bla bla bla ........................... plenty bla bla .....[/b]

It's on TeH internet, must be true.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/...es/default.mspx
And some zillion other reasons why MS Vista is TeH best EVAH.
So get your sorry arse on Vista doublejack, get it on it.
It's wroty-writy on TeH intehnet.

Once again my last post.

But say, doublejack, when surfing on TeH intehnet, don't you have to download bits of stuffies on your shoe-box?

Whoopsy, not shoe-box , Ubu-box, wasn't it? You're on a Ubu-box. *U*b*u*-*b*o*x*.

My last post in this topic, really.
lmao.
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This is unintelligible gibberish. If you care to make a post with a point to it, I'll give a proper response. Until then, I'll just let you post away. You're doing a fine job of discrediting yourself without any help from me.

Oh, and if you had bothered even looking at the link in my message - which I know for a fact you didn't - then you would have noticed that the info on Mr. Granneman was not written by me. It was copied verbatim from the page I linked. You would also know that that wasn't some random quote taken from the web, but in fact a published paper.

What can I say, I have made several valid points and you make silly person comments (which started the whole thing BTW). Debate over. And the ultimate proof that I'm right is my computer. Gee whiz, no rootkits, no viruses, and it runs perfectly fine. Maybe if I were a gullible moron then just maybe I would need some protection. Alas, I'm not, so I don't.

[dosraider]

You want a post with a nice point doublejack? OK, here you have a nice point:

"You can have all the buttsex you want unprotected, aslong as you know what you're doing you won't get AIDS and your behind will be fine."

That's whats your postings points out.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 11 2007, 10:17 AM) [snapback]310246[/snapback]</div>

You want a post with a nice point doublejack? OK, here you have a nice point:

"You can have all the buttsex you want unprotected, aslong as you know what you're doing you won't get AIDS and your behind will be fine."

That's whats your postings points out.
[/b]

Horribly flawed analogy. This is what I'm saying:

A computer with Windows is like someone with AIDS, go into a public place and you're sure to catch something unless you take measures. A computer with linux on the other hand is like someone with a healthy auto immune system. They can freely interact in public places without much concern of getting sick.

[dosraider]

*without much concern*
But that's now exactly the whole point of our little chatsession doublejack.

It's not *without concern*, but it is:
*without much concern*

Not UNprotected as you said.

Ubu box or not, you still need protection, and if you state you don't need some basic protection, you are:
or a liar
or a brainless parrot
or more sheep than the window users (who probably can't use some other OS, but there is no need to spit on them, lots of those windows users have qualities that we can only dream about having them).

And even if you're indeed not a 'target' for pro hackers, you're still one for the 10-12 years old who gonna use their snuffbots to be a big show off to their n00b friends.

[doublejack]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dosraider @ Sep 11 2007, 10:54 AM) [snapback]310257[/snapback]</div>

*without much concern*
But that's now exactly the whole point of our little chatsession doublejack.

It's not *without concern*, but it is:
*without much concern*

Not UNprotected as you said.

Ubu box or not, you still need protection, and if you state you don't need some basic protection, you are:
or a liar
or a brainless parrot
or more sheep than the window users (who probably can't use some other OS, but there is no need to spit on them, lots of those windows users have qualities that we can only dream about having them).

And even if you're indeed not a 'target' for pro hackers, you're still one for the 10-12 years old who gonna use their snuffbots to be a big show off to their n00b friends.
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*without concern*

If you are *without concern* then you are either:

a moron
or a brainless parrot
or an idiot sheep

There is no such thing as a perfectly safe computer. You can have every piece of protection in the world and run some exotic custom OS, and if someone wants in bad enough, guess what? They'll get in. Ergo, I use the term *without much concern* because it describes the situation precisely.

The bottom line: My "unprotected" ubuntu box is as secure, if not more secure, than 99.999999999% of the Windows boxes out there that have protection.

-edit

Just to complete and address your other point. No, I do not have nor do I need any protection. The design of linux combined with my awareness is enough to keep my computer free of any virus/rootkit/malware/etc. Sorry to disappoint you, but that truth doesn't make me a liar, it makes you wrong. And while I know my machine isn't guaranteed to stay malware free, I also know that additional protection won't guarantee anything either.

[dosraider]

I think we both can agree on at least one point, further discussion is void and futile.
Good luck with your Ubu_box.


Dosraider out, and *really* out now.

[ianfreddie07]

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