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[Havell]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Jun 8 2005, 07:21 PM
Manipulated with data? Thats highly inpossible <_<
The publisher would never let that book to for sale if it contains manipulted data, or falsed facts... <_< It is a violation of law you know...

Is it? I'm pretty sure you can print whatever you like, provided it isn't slanderous or inciteful.

[Tulac]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Jun 8 2005, 07:21 PM
The publisher would never let that book to for sale if it contains manipulted data, or falsed facts... <_< It is a violation of law you know...
There are highly improbably facts and very unlikely theories in those books, I agree, but no lies in the meaing of the word...

Danyken was in prison :whistle: , not sure why though...

But by manipulation, I meant that he left out important facts about some cultures, he only showed in his books what helped his erm cause...
He didn't lie in he just left out some of the truth...

[Playbahnosh]

Not that likely. The authorities check out every book before send it to printing...
You cannot manipulate with FACTS and DATA, you can write everything fictional but you cannot false real things there, It's against the law in most countries... :blink:

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Jun 8 2005, 08:34 PM
You cannot manipulate with FACTS and DATA...

Unfortunately it's not that hard to manipulate at all.

The thing is that a person can deliberately give false statements. Here's an easy example of how to mislead people - and once you mislead them, they will take everything you say as the truth.

A riddle:
Three people go into a youthhostel and get a room. The receptionist tells them the room costs 30€ so they give 10€ each and go to the room.
Now the meneger comes to the receptionist and tells him that they have lowered the prices for the night and the room costs only 25€.
The receptionist takes 5€ from the cash register and goes to their room, but on his way he realizes he can't devide 5€ among 3 people. So he takes 2€ for himself and gives the guests 1€ each.

Misleading way of thinking:
They payed 30€ - it was in the chash register.
Receptionist took 5€ to return to them - so 25€ in the register.
He gave them back 1€ each - so they all payed 9€.
The receptionist took 2€ for himself.

So they payed 9€ each and there were three of them. 9€*3=27€
The receptionist took for himself 2€. 27€ + 2€ = 29€
But they payed 30€ when they came! 30€ =/ 29€. Where's the missing euro?

I didn't lie and I didn't give any false facts, but I made a misleading statement somewhere in between. Explain to me where the Euro is!
This is a way to manipulate people - with something that makes sense, but it still isn't true!

[ReamusLQ]

Originally posted by Sebatianos+Jun 8 2005, 12:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sebatianos @ Jun 8 2005, 12:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Playbahnosh@Jun 8 2005, 08:34 PM
You cannot manipulate with FACTS and DATA...

Unfortunately it's not that hard to manipulate at all.

The thing is that a person can deliberately give false statements. Here's an easy example of how to mislead people - and once you mislead them, they will take everything you say as the truth.

A riddle:
Three people go into a youthhostel and get a room. The receptionist tells them the room costs 30€ so they give 10€ each and go to the room.
Now the meneger comes to the receptionist and tells him that they have lowered the prices for the night and the room costs only 25€.
The receptionist takes 5€ from the cash register and goes to their room, but on his way he realizes he can't devide 5€ among 3 people. So he takes 2€ for himself and gives the guests 1€ each.

Misleading way of thinking:
They payed 30€ - it was in the chash register.
Receptionist took 5€ to return to them - so 25€ in the register.
He gave them back 1€ each - so they all payed 9€.
The receptionist took 2€ for himself.

So they payed 9€ each and there were three of them. 9€*3=27€
The receptionist took for himself 2€. 27€ + 2€ = 29€
But they payed 30€ when they came! 30€ =/ 29€. Where's the missing euro?

I didn't lie and I didn't give any false facts, but I made a misleading statement somewhere in between. Explain to me where the Euro is!
This is a way to manipulate people - with something that makes sense, but it still isn't true! [/b][/quote]
I've heard that before, and even now I can't figure it out...

Edit: n/m, I figured it out (finally) I actually just hadn't really thought about it...but that is a very good example of how easy it is to manipulate "facts"

[Yobor]

Gah! I don't get it. I guess I'm just too lazy to find out what it is. :bleh:

Anyway, concerning the viruses thing earlier, they made creatures in computer programs. These creatires started out as single bits, and grew into bytes whne left alone in their own environment. Pretty crazy!

[PrejudiceSucks]

What I think is a shame is that at GCSE Religious Education we don't learn about Neitzsche at all.

I find that one-sided and unfair myself.

[BeefontheBone]

Well, he's a philospher - they probably reckon you couldn't handle the philosophy of religion at GCSE (some of it's hard to handle after a degree in it by all accounts). They aim more for some sort of basic understanding of various religions, and usually miss it really.

[PrejudiceSucks]

Ehm... he had the theory of chaos which proves that there can be no God.

Hence, it should be in R.E, just for balance.

[BeefontheBone]

Yeah, but then you have to throw in Descartes who proved that there is a God, and then you end up with a GCSE in Philosophy, which would probably be a better idea in many ways.