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[Rogue]

We should pay Kosta to shut down that 'other site'. LOL LOL LOL

Of course I was kidding 'bout war.

I still visit only Abandonia and like to keep it that way. I have no problem with people deciding to post on AR. No one forces anyone...

That be it... for me, anyway...

[Tom Henrik]

There's no competition between the sites

However, there has been (and still are) some disagreements between some of the workers on the site.

I think this is mainly mine and Kosta's fault. We haven't been clear enough in our statements to the crew, and thus the two crews aren't quite on the same ground - and misunderstandings happen.

The two sites work together all the time. Not every day, of course... but whenever there is something happening on one site that the other one should know about, there is communication most of the time.

However, as both the crew on AB and the crew on AR are very dedicated to giving the site they are working on the absolute best, they have a tendency of getting annoyed the few times a miscommunication appears

But that is how it should be, I think. A site needs crewmembers that are protective of their site in order to survive and grow

[Kon-Tiki]

In my opinion, the idea behind AR's good, but from first-hand experience, I know that it's ran by manipulative, self-absorbed, backstabbing, abusive, inconsequent, forceful bastards. For any further explanation on any of these, just PM me. After what they did to me, I feel it's my right to tell others 'bout what they're like behind their Oh So Good masks.

But again, let me make it clear: If AR'd be ran by respectable people that have the good of the site in eye, not the good of themselves, I wouldn't be hostile towards it. I'm more hostile to its management, anyways, not the actual site.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Tom Henrik@Apr 14 2006, 04:45 PM
However, there has been (and still are) some disagreements between some of the workers on the site.

Generally there's no problem at all, but there are things (comertial games that turned freeware) that could be on either one of the sites and there's where the problems occured.

And that's about the only "fight" between the sites.

Maybe both crews (all crew members) should bring forth all their arguments at some point and decide together... I know this isn't a democracy (it's Kosta's home), but if we're to have two very neat playrooms we need to decide what to put where and it would make sence that all the people who are bringing things in should have a say about it.

[Maikel]

Originally posted by Kon-Tiki@Apr 14 2006, 02:54 PM
In my opinion, the idea behind AR's good, but from first-hand experience, I know that it's ran by manipulative, self-absorbed, backstabbing, abusive, inconsequent, forceful bastards. For any further explanation on any of these, just PM me. After what they did to me, I feel it's my right to tell others 'bout what they're like behind their Oh So Good masks.

But again, let me make it clear: If AR'd be ran by respectable people that have the good of the site in eye, not the good of themselves, I wouldn't be hostile towards it. I'm more hostile to its management, anyways, not the actual site.

Gee, that's someway to get worked up about a site where you work for on voluntary basis
:whistle:


I don't get it, why do people take everything so seriously here? It's a nice hobby ffs!

And why people feel there should be competition? I don't know. It's a totally different site. Yeah they're both gamesites, but focus on different kind of games. It's like soccer-hooligans fighting with baseball-fanatics.

Second to all that, threat both sites with respect. Kosta, me and all the other crew/forummembers have done a lot to create all of this and we love doing it, as long as people appreciate our efforts.

there

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Kon-Tiki@Apr 14 2006, 09:54 AM
In my opinion, the idea behind AR's good, but from first-hand experience, I know that it's ran by manipulative, self-absorbed, backstabbing, abusive, inconsequent, forceful bastards. For any further explanation on any of these, just PM me. After what they did to me, I feel it's my right to tell others 'bout what they're like behind their Oh So Good masks.

But again, let me make it clear: If AR'd be ran by respectable people that have the good of the site in eye, not the good of themselves, I wouldn't be hostile towards it. I'm more hostile to its management, anyways, not the actual site.

What happened? :blink:

If someone is attacking my friend, it is attacking me too! :angry: :ranting:

[taikara]

The two forums have a completely different atmosphere, imho. I think some people tend to prefer AB, while others prefer AR. Because of that, I don't think the forums should be merged.

If they were merged, I wouldn't visit "The Forum" much at all, because the AB forum is just way too big, too busy, and has too many "strangers" for me to feel comfortable. For me, it's one thing to grow with a forum (my experience with AR), but it's another to join a forum right before its population explodes (my experience with AB). I'm just not comfortable with the latter, but I still care about Abandonians, and am glad when we get the occasional visit at AR.

Regarding the commercial-turned-freeware issue... I don't have a problem with commercial-turned-freeware being hosted on AB. Regarding the commercial-turned-freeware issue, my only problem was with the first time it came up - when it was possible that AR wouldn't be allowed to host commercial-turned-freeware. I debated many days to allow AR that privilege from Kosta, because I felt it would be beneficial to our growth as a site, and I would still fight for our ability to host commercial-turned-freeware if the possibility arose again that we may not be allowed to host those games. As such, I do understand why Abandonians feel so strongly about Kosta's decision that commercial-turned-freeware should go on AR only.

Even though I do understand why people are upset, I also strongly believe there is no reason to fight amongst ourselves over this. Kosta made the decision that all freeware should go on AR (most likely because the clear dividing line created by legal status), and until he changes his mind, that's what he wants to happen, and it's his call. However, even if an accidental freeware update occured at AB, I personally wouldn't start a witchhunt, and neither would the rest of the AR crew.

Most of all, I do wonder why there is all of this AB vs. AR posting. AFAIK, we don't post anti-AB post in either forum. However, I have noticed anti-AR posts on occasion. Not enough to really consider it abject hostility except from a couple of members, but enough that it's noticible.

Like it or not, AR is here to stay. We're a growing site, and we're starting to cultivate a lot of interest and support from the freeware game making community. If AR isn't your cup of tea, just don't go there.

However, if you are interested in seeing other AB sister sites in the future, I suggest that you treat your first sister with respect. We've worked incredibly hard to get where we are, regardless of the occasional negative attitude thrown our way from our "big brother", and even if we were an unassociated site, we would deserve respect for that. The way I see it, AR came from AB, and I personally respect AB just for that fact, not to mention everything else AB has done for the gaming community.

The bottom line is that it's okay to be unhappy with the situation, but it's not okay to attack us over this. Focus your energy on positive and productive courses of action that might actually result in a beneficial result instead.

[Rogue]

taikara,
I did not get quite your post. Is someone attacking you? Why is OK to be unhappy?

And most importantly if I focus my strength on productive things, I would never come to AB in the first place! :blink:

Sorry, but your post sound as huge troll and is not in any way answering my question: What happened with Kon-Tiki on AR?? You as a moderator should be able to explan better.

Thanks!

And please don't come again with 'it is OK to be unhappy' posts. None of us come here to get frustrated or to be treated as garbage. If someone is coming with that kind of attitude, then that person need medical help. :blink:

[Tulac]

She probably meant on the teams working on the site (be unhappy,productive and stuff), not forum dwellers like us

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Anubis@Apr 14 2006, 07:15 PM
What happened with Kon-Tiki on AR??

Nubi nemoj!!!

You know it's not very good to talk about personal conflits openly... Tiki said - PM him if you wanna find out (you can also PM Tai or Tom if you want more then one person explaning it), but don't take it out in public.