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[win98]

wow punch i did not know that i am impressed

[Sebatianos]

Well this may all be old and known, but it proves that Blood-Piggy and Punch999 are really trying to get the updater position. k:

[punch999]

Actually I have been working on this forever I just restarted working on it and starting the topic today

[Blood-Pigggy]

Originally posted by Sebatianos@Sep 27 2005, 02:32 AM
Well this may all be old and known, but it proves that Blood-Piggy and Punch999 are really trying to get the updater position. k:

What? I just wanted to write.
I'm addicted to writing, I crumple it up, shove it in a needle, then inject it into my blood stream... mmm...

[punch999]

I wonder if it needs a Teh ESA 4re teh stupd section

To answer when people say stuff anti esa like

[plix]

Sorry to bump this topic, but I'm not a frequent visitor around here and I thought some issues with this needed to be addressed.

First of all, the Wikipedia definition of Abandonware is somewhat flawed, and that article on the whole is a complete mess.

Secondly, abandonware is not legal. Period. Unless you live in a country that isn't a Berne Convention Signatory it's illegal where you live, too.

Thirdly, oldwarez is easy to distinguish: it's "old" games which are still being sold.

A FAQ I wrote with a few others some years ago is a good jumping-off point for a document such as this. That FAQ traces it's roots back to the original Abandonware FAQ and is far more authoritative than Wikipedia. I like Abandonia a lot, and I think it's great that it has such a vibrant community, but Abandonware is not a new idea and I've noticed some major confusion about it over here from a few different people recently.

[Blood-Pigggy]

We never said it was legal. :bleh:

[A. J. Raffles]

I think he was referring to the somewhat woolly phrasing of

Abandonware, is in fact, not legal. We define it as “illegal” but the reality floats somewhere in-between.

[caseman]

legal whats legal? if my lawyer says its illegal, i get a different lawyer!! or i make my actions acceptable by writing an article on various games or emulators or do research for a paper or book... that is cya...cover your arse. we are in a grey area that is not very actionable by copyright holders, unlike the p2p music downloads. tough to prosecute on grounds that you may have had original but it is lost or stolen or sold it ,and forgot to erase the download etc etc. with 3 lawyers in the fam its easy to see all the loopholes in the law. just wondering which countries not covered by berne convention?......... i know, way off topic....... guide good.

[A. J. Raffles]

legal whats legal? if my lawyer says its illegal, i get a different lawyer!!* or i make my actions acceptable by writing an article on various games or emulators or do research for a paper or book... that is cya...cover your arse. we are in a grey area that is not very actionable by copyright holders, unlike the p2p music downloads. tough to prosecute on grounds that you may have had original but it is lost or stolen or sold it ,and forgot to erase the download etc etc. with 3 lawyers in the fam its easy to see all the loopholes in the law. just wondering which countries not covered by berne convention?......... i know, way off topic.......* guide good.

That's the wrong sort of attitude, I'm afraid. It's not a lawyer who says it's illegal, it's copyright law. So are you going to get yourself a different law, then? And just because something's not actionable or rarely enforced, that does NOT make it legal.