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[MrFlibble]

Originally Posted by Chilledfish

The second one is a really obscure one. It is an RPG with Elves and everything. It had an elaborate editor with all the toolset. It was also VGA graphics I think. It could even been an RPG maker for all I know. I was too young and Israeli to understand anything about it, but when I think about it know, it looks awesome in my mind. I know the description isn't much, but any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Edit: The second one was top down with a grid (either invisible or visible). The characters were about a square centimeter. It kinda looks like Ultima V.

Check out the Exile series by Spiderweb Software, the description seems like it might be it. Particularly the Blades of Exile which is an RPG construction set with pre-made sample scenarios.

If this is not it, could you remember if the platform you played this on was DOS or Windows. Also, what year, approximately at least, did you play this one in?

[On a general note, wouldn't it be more convenient if each thread was only about one game? I'm not sure if the rules state that but other forums with similar game identification sections usually follow the "one thread - one game" rule.]