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anybody know of any games like this in development at the moment? Or maybe an alternative (anything other than Detroit). Designing cars and running a car company is such a cool idea for a computer game!

I've played this before, never being able to design an engine more powerful than 4cyl/25hp, and now I find out the game finishes in 1930, I don't think I'll bother, I wanna get to the 70's and design Ferrari and Lotus-a-like cars!

[laiocfar]

Learn german?
unluckly i dont nothing of this wonderfull game gettimg recoded

Hello !

This is really a great game. thx.

About the "bug" with engines in the english version:
I was quite woried about that, but i just managed to develop 6cylinder 30-40hp and 40-50hp engines in year 1905
so i am looking forward that i can overcome the "bug"

[laiocfar]

Even at max reserch speed, some items need time to be avaible to denvelope.

[Goran]

Hello!

I've just been looking into this engine issue and pretty much figured out how to h4><><0|2 motor city files. Apparently, this version does not contain any engine stronger than 48HP so its not actually a bug, but lack of content(presuming that there are more engines in the german version).

If anyone has a PC copy of Oldtimer, and it contains more engines, I believe I could make a patch that would transfer these to the english version. All I would need is the 'game.stc' file, or its equivalent in Oldtimer.

Cheers!

Edit: I've tested it out...



There! I managed to add an entirely new engine to the game. The engine issue can be adressed by transfering the data from the german version, or by creating a mod that would add additional engines to the game. I've pretty much figured out how (not that complicated, all you need is a hex editor), now its just the data.

[laiocfar]

Great!
Can you made a futher explanation about it?

[_r.u.s.s.]

i have -tried- to search through some german abandonware sites but i found no oldtimer for download. maybe any deutsch talking user could search for it?

[Goran]

Alrightee, heres the engine stuff, I've made an example for the first engine in the game which you can either invent or acquire from third parties, Victoria(the game renames it to E1 once you acquire it)

First take a look at its stats ingame:

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Now to the h4><><0|2 p4|2+.

In the game data files(the relevant file is called 'game.stc' and is located in the GFX folder of motor city) or in your savegame ('game#.gam' where # is the ordinal number of your savegame slot, also located in the GFX folder) this engine looks like this:

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Now to decipher what is what:

1 - code of the image used for the engine sheet
2 - ordinal number of engine
3 - length of engine name
4 - engine name
5 - year made available (6807 -> 0768 -> 7x256+6x16+8x1 = 1896, for those unfamiliar with hexadecimal base, if such exist here )
6 - Engine HP (0500 -> 5HP)
7 - RPM (8002 -> 640RPM)
8 - Steel used for production (0A->10 steel per unit when producing part)
9 - Number of cylinders (01->1 Cylinder)
10 - Weight (B300-> 179kg Engine Weight)
11 - Cubic capacity (540B -> 2900 ccm)
12 - Engine price (E7 -> 231,- one is game default, the other is your factory price)
13 - Sales and consumption stats (irrelevant for moding, just dont let these fields confuse you when fixing ongoing games)
14 - Production time (the smaller this value is the faster the component is produced(more units per month), and vice versa)
15 - Research time (FFFF means the component is not researched, 0000 means it is known, anything inbetween indicates ongoing research)

Other than that... the game database currently contains 25 engines:

1 Cylinder, 5HP - Victoria(5HP,1896), Daimler(4HP,1894), Decauville 4(4HP,1898), Fiat 4(4HP,1899)
1 Cylinder, 10HP - Cadillac 7(7HP,1903), Renault 10(10HP,1903), OTAV(6HP,1905)
2 Cylinder, 10HP - Lanchester(8HP,1897), Renault 6(6HP,1901), Fiat 8(10HP,1901), Ford 8(8HP,1903), Renault 9CV(9HP,1906)
2 Cylinder 15HP - Renault 14(14HP,1901), Opel 12(12HP,1902)
2 Cylinder 25HP - Buick 22(22HP, 1907)
3 Cylinder 15HP - Clyde 14(14HP,1906)
4 Cylinder 20HP - Fiat 16(16HP,1902), Fiat 20(20HP, 1906), Gaggenau(20HP, 1907)
4 Cylinder 25HP - Peerless 24(24HP,1904), Rolls-Royce 25(25HP,1905), Fiat 24(24HP,1907)
6 Cylinder 25HP - Albion A6(24HP, 1906)
6 Cylinder 40HP - Rolls-Royce 36(36HP, 1907)
6 Cylinder 50HP - Rolls-Royce 48(48HP, 1907)

And there are another 135 slots empty that could be modded to add new engines.

As much as I've figured it out, the game lets you research only one engine from a category, thus, 14 out of 25 engines are redundant and you can actually use only 11 engines, so the current engine research tree looks like this:

1896 - Research 1 Cylinder 5HP
1897 - Research 2 Cylinder 10HP(or wait to 1901 for best model)
1901 - Research 2 Cylinder 15HP
1902 - Research 4 Cylinder 20HP(or wait to 1906 for best model)
1903 - Research 1 Cylinder 10HP
1904 - Research 4 Cylinder 25HP(or wait to 1905 for best model)
1906 - Research 3 Cylinder 15HP, 6 Cylinder 25HP
1907 - Research 2 Cylinder 25HP, 6 Cylinder 40HP, 6 Cylinder 50HP

[Eraxor]

Hi there,

do you still need the german game.stc file? Here it is. I have just installed the game and haven't started it yet. (Had to zip the file. This forum doesn't allow .stc files to be uploaded...)

Could you probably make an entire list of all engines in the game? Would save a lot of time...

[Goran]

I havent logged in here in ages, and then something told me to pop by and check up on this thread... thank you Salma Hayek!

Alrightee, I've checked the file out... it is not directly compatible with the english version but the data is there... and after a bit of tweaking I've managed to transfer it into the english version game.stc.

I've attached the zipped file for the english version, the one available here on Abandonia. I believe it is fixed, but I have not yet tested it fully. It should work flawlessly, but there's always a chance something else is still bugged.

The game now has 80 engines instead of 25, just extract the game.zip attached here into the gfx folder of your motor city game.

As soon as I get a chance, I'll look into what those other engines are and their details, if any of you need spoiling.

Thanks for the file mate, have fun!