Princess Maker 2
 

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I remember looking at screenshots from this game some time ago.
This game is just what I need after playing Doom 3 for the past few hours 8) (I'm so happy Doom 3 works perfectly on my aging computer :) )

i found on some page that youo can take screen shots if you edit the file pm2.cnf and then press F5. it seems to take the picture but what kind of format is it? i mena it makes several files....

this game is cool 8) . the possibilities are endless once ive tried my princess to do farm work and masonry she grow up to be a general lolz.....i tried letting him do easier stuffs she grew up a romantic ang got married at an early age :lol: ....i wish the game was longer!! that she doesnt grow up that fast!

I know the feeling but I like the little time span. I love every princess as much as the previous ones. And they all turn out different. A real diamond of a game.

The melee attack option in combats sucks - anyone just dodges EVERYTIME :shock: *wondering* And my combat skill is at 61 already :roll:
Better use magic attack - with that one you'll hit everytime...

I also found that for attacks magic is much better. But you want to build up some melee, defense that is. So you can occasionaly dodge the melee attack.

Hah, now she's 13 years old, has 112 attack skill and 146 attack (damage) - guess what? She hits, and that really almost everytime everyone! :D
Also she dodges now perfectly - that is, almost everytime.

There are 70+ endings :)

Talking at the castle every week is important. you get social skills from that and you can marry a prince if you do it right :)

I got a princess with 999 strength, 999 constitution, 125 combat skill, 150 combat attack, I bought all the best armour and weapons and she killed everyone in her way and became a general.

Even the War God in the glacier adventure? :)

I have to say that I didn't adventure that much, I just worked on the farm to increase both strength and constitution. I didn't realize adventuring was the best way of making money until about 2 weeks before the end :( .
BTW, how do you stop her from running away, in my first game, where she was a fighter she didn't run away once, but in my new game, where she is an artist/housewife she seems to spend every other month away from home!

If she's not good in the work she does, that means she doesn't earn anything (everytime bad), she is unhappy after some time. Just let her work in the church one month with 2 free time dates and one time work, and she is ok again - you can let her work next month again where she's not good.
She doesn't like it when the employer call her being nothing-able more than 2-3 times. :wink:

My daughter gained amazing skills both in fighting and in magic,won 3 harvest combat tournaments and a cooking one:) , had a happy marriage and started a fighting school but it failed after some time because she wasn't good do transmit knowledge to her pupils :(

The next one will be evil incarnated :twisted:

You need much Sin then. :wink: Also make sure attack the guards and citiens when you meet them on adventure.

This game is awsome! Mine grew to be a houswife! But marring a wizard. She won the cooking contest trie times in a row! But is there no another way to get money for the princess, by not letting the poor girl work (mine did alway work in the cementery :( because had the most money)?

Last daughter became Court Magician and worked a lot in farm and cemetery....and won Combat Tournament 2 times..she married a mild-mannered wizard and was a good mother.

To kill a daughter, just never let her go out or on vacation.....her stress will go up until she becomes delinquent and/or die. Low constitution also help.

Mine became a writer :whistle:

That's one thing about this game, you only need to take about 2-3 poetry lessons and she will almost always become a writer.

No matter what I do the fortune-teller always says she is gonna be a normal housewife... so aggrivating. Any tips to get OUT of that rut?

The first time I got her to do a lot of church work and the fortune teller always said she was going to be a Sister... But then at the end of the game she became a Border Guard and eventually became Captain... :ok:

So fortune teller = :yawn:

Fortune teller is just there to give you the direction info of what she'll be if she stays how she's now. If you daughter learns more and / or other, the fortune teller will also tell different stuff. ;)

If this game is any indication of what my kids are going to be like......I agree with my mother I should never have any. I played it a few times straight with no cheats and it was so/so. She became a poet, but had a pretty miserable life because her sensitivity was low and obviously that made her a shitty poet, she became a dancer but lacked enough carisma to carry it through and therefore didn't do too well, she became a palace guard (low ranking from the looks) and married a general, and oh my favourite a housewife who married a wizard.

BUT...I then went to the cheat mode and gave myself bucket loads of money and she became a really cool dancer who won all kinds of awards, a magician who kicked ass, a dominatrix (my personal favourite) and she also married the prince on one of them.

I killed her a few times just to see what happens. Rumour has it if she is really really really really evil and has no morals and is a really good fighter she can become queen of the underworld....of course to become Queen of all Hellfire that would mean that she would have to push my Mother-In-Law off the trone :P .

Absolutely Righteous Game Duuude.

There is another Japanese game in similar context called True Love....This one is for the more mature (ooops bad word...like I'm mature)...adult game. Basically your this guy who through different school courses and after school activities gets noticed by different females and in the end developes a relation ship with one of them based on your different skills you have mastered through the game. The adult only part really comes into effect in the last picture (WHOA!!) :blink: . But the game is pretty cool.

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Amanda-Lyn

My first daughter became an artist, my second a Magician Instructor, and my third began Domestic Training (only because I goofed up in the beginning and she ended up getting sick every other month).

people, i'm delighted. what a strange game. at the beginning i was trying for a fighter, but she won the art contest and although i tried to do it again she was having none of it. dancing it had to be. nevertheless she became an artist, married and replaced the art teacher as court painter. weird.

Anyone other than me killed the warrior god in two magic blows?
You can if you visit the elf in the forest without iron armor or weapons equipped with alot of sensitivity like 20 times.......

Supermaging the girl is one of the game's standard tricks.

Having gotten the girl to become the Reigning Queen/Grand Poobah of the Realm, as well as the Princess of Darkness, I just have one thing I'm yet to figure out...how to get the daughter to marry the father? I've heard it's do-able, I've not actually been able to pull it off (though I've gotten to 100 Father Relationship with her).

Anyone ever figure it out?

It happened to me. Dunno why.


I think it can happen if you keep her very protected - away from other men, and always have a father-daughter chat.

I see. Hrm...that'd mean killing her Social ability...ah well.

My first daughter married Cube.... THAT was freaky!

http://www.kkpmc.net/pm2/pm2.htm

This page has information on the requirements for every ending and marriage possibility.

Huh. When I try to run the files it just says "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\AUTOEXEC.NT. The system file is not suitable for running MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows applications. Choose 'Close' to terminate the application." I had this game installed before and it worked then, though. :blink:

Copy the autoexec.nt file from C:\windows\system32 and paste it into C:\I386. If it's not in C:\windows\system32, then copy it from C:\I386 and paste it into C:\windows\system32.

This game is very good, damn addictive..

Cube is so cute!!!!!!!!
One of my daughter married him, too...
Another married some dragon boy :blink:

I might be able to find out what the requirements are for marrying the father by using the special trick I found...

Ok... here it is.

Intelligence, charisma, and refinement have to be 250, and morals and faith at 100. Relationship with father has to be 100.

I think scolding and vacations bring the relationship up.

I just beat the game! I was able to unlock two of the many endings: Artist and Housewife. She was an excellent lumberjack and took a lot of art classes. She won the Cooking Contest. Now, I am starting over again. I do have a question: how do I get my daughter to marry Cube? The highest I have ever gotten was 51 with her relationship to him. By the way, I got a score of 321.

Those two were my first two endings.:blink:
i don't get why she run away later in the game when i win a lot of money,and try to send her to school more often.

I had Artist and Magic Instructor. Housewife is near the bottom of the barrel as far as good professions go.

I remember being intrigued when PM2 showed up. It came along with Faery Tale Adventure 2: Halls of the Dead, from the same distributor, and that distributor went belly up almost immediately. As a result, those games received hardly any attention or distribution at all in the US. Can't speak for elsewhere. Shame, because they were interesting titles. I don't think PM2 would have ever gotten the kind of praise it deserved in the US in any case, because of its unusual format. But I played it often, and always got a chuckle out of the way the developers associated various tasks with different personality traits.

Does any one else notice that their daughter is really tiny?

I've only played it once, and to get her into the leather dress (which looks rather interesting) I needed to get her down under 100 pounds. And, she was only like 5'3"...

The more I play this game, the more I like it! ARGH, hooked!

And to think that I didn't download it because I thought it would be too girly!

I'm always making an magical teacher, and i discovery you can find the little prince in castle,

but, i hate using the cheats, it make this game without fun :ranting:

I agree, before I found them, I found the game a lot more challenging, and now that I have to money to feed her she gets large or 'fat' and then keeps running away! :wall:

Balance is the answer. Make her do some adventuring or similar besides the studying and feeding. And you can put her on diet, so she can take down on weight again.

And you can scold her for running away :evil:

My first daughter was a man-hating prostitute, my second died, and my third was a bored housewife. The next one was better, she was a successful martial arts instructor, then I got a lousy dancer who married Cube. I don't think I'm very good at this!

I want to make the bondage queen next if I can. I guess I gotta that sin up!

Thsi game was the most addictive game ever, and even if you play twice doing the same thing, she will end up different. I was cheating like hell and I still cannot get her to marry the prince (you suppose to meet the prince every year at a set date and please the parents) and the birth dates have alot to do with everything.

I cheated and created a dolly parton, if you know what I mean, used all the demon items and fox demon items to max charm out, win all the house chores contest, and she *dirty word* runs away with a man at 16, thank god there are no early pregnancies in the game and she ends up been a nurse or a social worker or some kind, and I saved near the end and she always ended up either a social worker, unmarried matron, nurse ... etc, I nearly threw the computer out the window. I sent the game to my friends at law school and supposely a whole dorm wing got hooked.

I got the complete walkthrough which tell you what effects what so you can really plan it out, but dont count on it, it does not happen 100%, I really admire the way they make every game different, but for me all my daughters seems to end up in similar jobs, perhapes it is a reflection of us. Her abtitute is a reflection of our habits and preferneces, I have never got a hooker daughter, administrator, got a farmer once, the freakiest is when she marries you, and stays home to serve you, that is suppose to be just as a good ending as marrying the prince which tell you how screwed up the japs are.

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How can my girl earn money from works? My girl worked as a babysitter and at the inn and restaurant, but she sucked at the works and could never earned any money. She could only earn money from working at the church. I believe there must be some requirements (stat-wise) for her to earn money from those works. What are the requirements? What are the other ways to get money, a lot and fast?

It's not hard to get her to marry the Prince - keep her morals above 100 (I think), sin below 100 (just work the girl in the church), and have her refinement/charisma above 200 (250 to be safe perhaps) - and go see the prince all the damn time.

The first she had become royal magician and had married sorceror...
However second one i want to make her more evil so she had become thug,never married and become most wanted criminalist in whole land and runaway somewhere.........My score -1055points.....Oh well. :eeeeeh: But that was just experiment anyway..... :whistle: :whistle:
Im curious how you can influence father relationship(i know with father-daughter chat but arent there any other ways?)and butler relationship?

My girl ended up as a warrior-general. She has beaten the War God! Altough I fauled a little on the beginning, not knowing how to earn cash etc.

PS. If any one of you is looking for a good Hentai game... I advise Nocturnal Illusions. Both good XXX scenes and normal gameplay. Plus the plot isn't bad either.

I can advise using the money cheat after you've played the game for a few times. In the "normal game" I doubt you'll ever be able to have a daughter strong enough to take on the war god for example; some extra money makes the game so much more interesting.

By the way, did any of you ever fight the old dragon? I've returned often enough, beaten the young dragon and a handful of regular dragons too, but the old one just talks and talks... Just curious, so far I've beaten any creature in the game at least once, though it took me 10 attempts to defeat the war god. :Titan:

eh...i was able to beat the war god before i turned 16

I think I was a year later, though my first attempts were at the age of 14 or 15.
A constitution of 999 proved to be enough, but the problem was she usually ran off after sustaining more than 500 damage: then her morale dropped from 500 to 0.
Both combat and magical skill and attack were in the 120-130 range.
The first times both my daughter and the war god were down to 100 HP when she ran off :ranting:

It was a little disappointing that so little happened after beating the war god.

oh i see, i only had like 200-300 constitution because i wanted to wear the dresses. Basically i had a nearly skills in fighting and magic so it deflected much of the blows and gave me dodging skills more than half the time he attacked me. i always believed attack and def was always better to raise than hp.

You have to starve her until she goes below 80 pounds before she can fit into the silk dress. That is so not right, I had it made for her specially! I'm gonna buy a whole lot of ancient milk, and starve her, and so how skinny she can get before she dies.

I think it also depends on your daughter's height, I remember her fitting into any dress when she weighed 88 or even a little above 90 pounds.
But it's indeed ridiculous that she never fits into dresses you've just bought for her.

Especially when you have it made to her measurements! :D

Relax, it's just a game... Get your revenge by having your daughter kick some dragon behind. Which in turn might get you some other garment your daughter will never be able to wear :D

Bah.I have 85 pound daughter that wear dragon tights and kick behind of dragons :Brain:
Magic rulez!

Mine ran off to be the mistress of that disgusting old man, I was furious! Then she came back and became a writer. what's up with that??? I guess she must have written like "confessions of an underage concubine" sorta thing. ick.

But it was seriously addictive for a while when I played it last year! very frustrating at times, but soooo entertaining!

Tought luck.I made a Mistress of Darkness from my daughter once which has married a Prince of Darkness :twisted: .She had sin 999 buhahaha :evil:
The final screens(about who she married,what she become,etc...) was trully enjoing :evil:

Do you need to be high in an area to have high mp and hp. My combat and magic skills are really, really high and she has no mp and only 141 hp. She does have very low morals. Could this be why?

I don't know about MP, but the HP's are determined from Constitution. So you need to raise it to get more HP.

Hp-Constitution
Mp-Intelliigence

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As for this game, it is very addictive. I've spent 2 full nights playing this game. It looks confusing at first, but like the review said, you will learn it in just a few minutes.

I will try to get all the endings. Right now I made my daughter into a housewife, general, artist, fighting teacher, magician and royal concubine. I've got like 70 more endings to get... :blink:

It seems that this game isn't 100% full. When my daughter made it to a magician and royal concubine, I got these errors :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...22/pm2_002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...22/pm2_003.jpg

I really don't mind those missing files, but I just want to let you guys know. Does anyone get these errors too ?

I remember getting some similar errors too, but for other endings than the two you listed.

Wow, what an amazing game. I finished it, and my daughter became a general. After beating thought, I felt like crying! Did anybody else feel like this? It was so... heart-warming.

LOL mine always becomes a good mother, but then again I teach her too cook and go to the babysitter's (hence I win the Cooking Contest every time!).

I tried to make her a general but I got bored and went back to cooking + sensitivity.

Oh once she became a Lumberjack too, but only once *sighs*.

Cooking contest? My strategy to killl stress was to visit the south lakes: you can get some money (killing trolls and kidnappers) the awesome black scales (from black mermaids - make your girl untouchable if you have enough of them) and finally the fairies grant you some bonus cooking AND reduce the stress to 0. I ended with about a cooking skill of 200 - it´s a great way to increase your housekeeping reputation also. In the last cooking contest, she got like 1100 points, and the second runner up... 170. LOL

And by the way, I managed to get all the requirements to become Grand Poobah (the king abdicates on you and you become the new ruling queen) but instead she became a magic hero. Does anyone know why?

Maybe it's your Refinement. It must be over 800, which is not easy at all.

I guess I didn't saw this in any walkthrough, but there is an easy way for your daughter to lose or gain weight without changing her diet.

To make her lose weight, spend lots of vacations at the sea during summer. You will see her stress bar AND her weight bar, going down.

To make her gain weight, spend vacations at the mountains during fall. You will notice that every picture of her in the mountains during fall she brings food with her, which is probably why her weight bar is going up.

Gaining weight is easy, but losing weight can be hard, especially if you want your daughter to be a dancer and wearing every dress. So the summer vacation trick can help you a lot.

Yes, I know. Her refinement was close to 900. (or in any case, much higher than 800)

I once put her on 'slim down' or sometimes 'weight loss' to see her smallest size... in the end i got 4'11 ( i think ), 35 ( or 34 )/18/31 and her weight was 55!! .. i treid to put her on the weight loss summer vacation.. it reduced to 52, but the next month it rised to 55 again... even though i put her on weight loss diet. I think thats the most minimum weight..
Wow... a 27 kg 18 year old with a 45cm waist.. that's inhuman..
to get this I had to slip a dance school every month ( to raise constitution )
and i intended to make her a dancer anyway.
Anyways.. this game IS addicting.... i have sacrificed the health of my eyes ( and neck )playing this game...

p.s the dragon youth is so cute.... ;)

Keep those fighting and magic reputation at 380 and housework reputation strictly below 370! Then Grand Poobah should be possible. Refinement 800 is right, but watch that sensitivity! Above 300, she'll always end up becoming dancer, artist or, worst scenario, writer!

Oh, Housework reputation above 420 always ends up in becoming a housewife.

Wohay! My daughter begame an adventurer.

But it was a quite shock when she married....her own father (Thats me!)!!!

Well, I've played the game a coupla times now.

First daughter was an experiment, didn't know all the options and finesses of the game. She became a... tutor. That's the job I let her do the most because it paid the most! :yawn: She married a wizard.

Next daughter was a hit! Ever since I learnt that adventuring is the key to the game and easy money, I let her do that the most often. She became a Hero, just like her dad. She married a knight.

With the third daughter I tried to give her more skills than just fighter skills. She became Commander of the Royal Guard. She married a knight, again.

Fourth daughter: more different skills, more class and refinement, more sex-appeal... She became a Hero all the same. Married a knight. Guess I shouldn't have let her beat that God of War?

Fifth daughter: again tried to expand her repertoir. She became a Knight in the Royal Guard! Married a knight....

I'm good at raising military females, it seems. :Titan:

Hehe :D... The first daughter I raised became a general who lead from the front... But as I never sent her to any brainy schooling, she wasn't very clever, and was so unsuitable to lead :whistle:... Ended up being shot down at the battlefield. Married a knight. Oh, and in the letter she sent me, it said that she hated me. Not literally, but that was its meaning :cry:.

Wow!!! :eeeeeh:
Even when I raised the Dark Queen which married Prince of Darkness she didnt said she hate me(well she said I am fool, and few other nice things..... :angel: )
Respect! What you did her? :sneaky:

I didn't think I did anything special, but... Well, she summed it up as the following: the only thing she liked about her upbringing was that she was brought up healthy. That's it. The rest was all "you never let me do anything fun", "always told me what to do", "I hated swordfighting", stuff like that. It made me depressed the rest of the evening, but I thought it was a comic relief that she was shot down in a battle though. I probably hired the guy who did it :ph34r:.

But it does make me question my ability as a parent :wall:

Ah well. I wanted the next one to be a painter, yes, I WANTED her to be a painter, but NO, she wanted to be a DANCER so she could lose to her rival every single time when she could win the art contest at an age of 13. Plus, this one runs away too often :angry:.

:wall:

I must be an incredibly bad parent :D.

They don't run away if you include a third vacation or spare time, which is usually enough to lower their stress level to zero. Of course that means you'll have a third less time to teach her.

That's what I do. If stress is over 10 or something, she runs away :blink:

I liked my first best... She could tolerate over thirty, and she never ever ran away. Weird.

The amount of stress is secondary.

I read that if she doesn't do a job well and doesn't get paid for that reason, that is why she becomes rebellious.

Sent her to work in church regularly at the start. Now I never have runaway problems. :angel:

Ah yes, it could be a case of confusing "cause and effect". Since failing to do a job properly would result in high stress levels, I always attributed all problems to stress.
I also think her birth date plays an important role: after all some zodiacal signs give her a rather unstable character in the game, or at least that's what I read in an in-depth FAQ.

Yeah, I read that too. My first daughter had the same birth-date as her father, and myself in real life. Guess my birthdate is blessed. Some of the dates increase stress by 2 at the end at every month so you can't ever have 0 stress, but most of them alter the child's initial stats and abilities.

HAHAHA! Mad Eddy is so funny
"Bwahahaha, here you go! 100,000G, bwah ha..."
If only everybody can be like that :cheers:

I'd be smiling too, having infinite money to give away :D

Mad Eddy certainly makes the game a lot more interesting. I'm wondering if it's possible to beat the war god without visiting Mad Eddy to speeden up the game.

I managed to defeat the war god using my first adventuring daughter. Before I knew the Mad Eddy's cheat. It was relatively easy when I used the Elf-Magic trick.

A bit. In the opening sequence your daughter floats down from the heavens curled up into a ball with no clothes, though it's not nudity in the sense you're worrying about. (Nothing showing)

In-game however some of the outfits are pretty skimpy. You can't equip them until she's 15 though. The Siren robe shows a lot of skin.
Also, a cheat code allows you to buy an undressed-dress, so you'll want to avoid that.

It is made by Gainax after all. ^_^;

It will have nudity if you cheat. If you use the Mad Eddy cheat, (press Q, R, N, and F12 at the same time then click on the "take daughter to" butten then go to Eddy's store, you can buy a dress called "undress" (LOL) for 5000G). Bwahahaha

I think underage (by American standard) nudity is pretty common in Japanese media. Someone who knows much about anime told me

how do you get the Valkria sword? i train my melee skill to the max and i still didn't get it?

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this is one way o gettin the valkerie sword hold down F12 R and N and Q at the same time then go to the shops an visit mad eddy!! buuut this cheat has kinda ruined the game for a lotta peeps, me included. so when i wanna play i dont use it anymore, an the giant smurf dude is totally right pre teen nudity is sick .....
altho how come when she is 17 she aint got no pubes, i never bought her a razor ...




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Heya. ^^ I just downloaded the game. It's really nice and all, but I have a major problem. Whenever I go into the clothing screen, there's no way out. So I can't change her clothes. ^_^;; <---- Sounds like barbies... hehe hee.
I love this game though!
Just how do I fix this?

Tsk tsk tsk... you call yourself a gamer? Try pressing right mouse button.

Valkria sword: just train hard and try to be the best fighter, winning the tournament etc, go adventuring a lot... I have four daughters who became: heroes (2), Royal Guard (2) and only one of them got the Valkria sword.

Anyway, the Katana which you can find on the glacier is much better.

This game looks really interesting and Cube is so cute :w00t:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thionks Cube is cute! :P Everyone's freaked out when I keep trying to get my daughter to marry the butler. :whistle: When I played this the first time my daughter became a boring housewife and married a wizard. But she was really good at it and loved me so I guess that's all that matters...right? The Dragon Youth is cute too. I've spent waaaay too long playing this game, it's sad. When my friend played it, her daughter became a prostitute. It turned out, she killed too many furry woodland creatures. :Titan:

In other words,she had too much sin.

In other words, yes.

That said, does anyone know the specific requirements to marry the prince? I can't find it anywhere. All I know is that (obviously) you have to visit the prince every year.

:sneaky: If you're trying for the 'Queen by Marriage' ending, you'll need at the very least the following stats:

Charisma = 499
Fighting Reputation = 370
Magic Reputation = 370
Social Reputation = 421
Housework Reputation = 370

... and yeah, you have to meet the handsome young officer every year without fail - no excuses! :D

great princess maker resources are:
http://www.kkpmc.net/pm2/pm2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/everythingpm2/
http://princessmaker.maison-otaku.net/
http://pmgateway.8m.com/Princess%20Maker%202.htm
enjoy :ok:

I've figured out that your daughter runs away when her sensetivity gets too high. Mine is an artsy type, so that is a constant problem for me. What I can't figure out is what the limiting factor is that prevents her from running away. Any suggestions?

Avoid stress, plan trips into town -or even better, vacations- often enough.

Sending her to help in the church will be useful to prevent escapes, as well :)

Doesn't work. Delinquincy is a function of stress, but running away is in no way related to stress levels. She can run away even if she's at 0 stress.

I've experimented a bit, and it seems like either Faith or Morality sets the point at which she will run away if her Sensetivity gets too high. It also seems to be a function of Constitution, but I'm not sure what the relationship is.

With your problem, I have learnt that the chance of your daughter running away increases if you constantly give her freetime on the third part of the month (Yes, it's odd but it supposedly can be a cause)

I've only played a couple of games but it's been varied experiances all the way through. When my brother played a game he decided to give her all the money she needed and tried to shamelessly stress her to death.

It didn't work so he decided to play properly and managed to get the artifacts from Valykira and Fay but because one stupid poetry class she took when she was ten she became a writer :wall: When she could have easily been the best damn adventurer the world has ever seen.

But I (At this point I had taken over the game as I generally do) managed to get her to marry the Prince which was some comfort.

i always LOVED the real cute game! It was a nice picture, but i hated to watch my Child becommig a Prostitute :ö(
(i liked the cheat and its possibillities, too!)

Now my daughter started whoring herself out as a merchant's mistress...

Where did I go wrong?

Was it selling her off for a dragon's big fat dowry?
Was it making deals with the devil to make her more charismatic?
Was it letting her walk around downtown in the leather dress?

*sigh*

At least I've never killed her, unlike some people here. :whistle:

hey, do anyone, which work is the best for my daugther, is her guardian is Mercury? i know, if it's Mars, th best is general...
my dauther always says that the girl like her are very sensitiv and kind :angel:

Oh my, I love this game :D my first daugther did not so well, she always run away and ended up to be a housewife, and she hated me :eeeeeh:
Now I had a court magician, who married the prince, a housewife, who married the prince too, and a hero, who married a brave knight <- she was my favorite, cos she was born on the same day, like me :D
And I'm really happy, that I never killed one of them :angel:

My daughter became a merchant's wife. Boring!

How can i make a profit from the barber job?

First kid became a successful teacher of magic who married a well-mannered knight. Second girl was a fairly good general and she married an intelligent knight.

The game can get a little boring at times, so I think rearing these two was enough for me.

Hahhaa... I was sick and downloaded this game last night, ended up playing til 2 am and played when I woke up again this morning... it's pretty simple and a lot of fun, I thought.

I also found some money cheats later and I'm kind of experimenting with different outcomes I can get.

1st... failed... abysmally. 2nd (failed then successful) Dancer, 3rd Thug, 4th Court Magician. Nil marriage but the last one (intelligent wizard... or something...)

Soo frustrating.

Beatrix=She was working in the restaurant. She studied everything,expect magic,fighting,fencing and strategy. She won cooking contest couple of times. She was beatiful and everything. She had many suitors,but she married an intelligent merchant.STILL SHE BECAME AND HOUSEWIFE.

Zelda=he was working in the Church and graveyard. She was studiyng theology,science and protocol. She didnt won any competitions. She wasnt very beatiful and charismatic.She married an knight. SHE BECAME AN HOUSEWIFE.

Ok first if you ever want your duaghter to become something other than a housewife without cheating(we'll get into cheating a bit later).Then id suggest you get her a steady job(mind you not a job that contradicts her studies...i/e dont have her work at a a bar then turn around and have her study protocol).So the first thing you have to have in mind is what you want her to be,then give her a job that helps build her traits that go hand in hand with that ultimate goal.Id say the best profession to start out with is training your daughter in fighting.And it is my recommendation that all start their first game like this.Then you would put her into farm work(hint dont change her into the lumberjack cus after working at the farmers for so long they will raise your salary steadily,ive gotten mine up to 22g b4 the end)then you would need to have your daughter study fighting first(obviously),then id also recommend magic,even though you want her to be a fighter magic is so valuable too cus its hardly possible to block a magic attack for the NPC's for some reason,minor glitch the programmers missed i guessed.Anyways after shes good have her fight in the tournaments(very easy way to earn money is through tournaments cus you earn money by every match one not just by gettting 1st 2nd or 3rd.Then have her adventure and when shes 18 you should have her nice and built up,voila your a good father.Its always good to remember that when your daughter is delinquent NEVER have her work(also applies when shes sick)cus shell get sick and if shes already sick then shell possibly die.Id recommend(and you might think im mad but its always worked beautifully for me)that you have your daughter have at least 1 part of each month as free time(always make the freetime at the last part of the month)and if she's really stressed out give her money to reduce it quicker.Also a good tip for those who want a slim diet.Instead of starving her on a weight loss or slim down diet,keep her on a normal diet.....and the key to losing weight after that is simple.There are three months that when you go on a vacation your daughter loses weight just by being on vacation.And these three months are june july and august(and maybe september cant be for sure but im almost positive that its not)now keep in mind that shell only lose weight if she goes to the beach.DO NOT GO TO THE MOUNTAINS IF YOU WANT HER TO LOSE WEIGHT.Cus good chance that if you hit the mountains in the wrong month shell gain weight.Now to lose maximum weight have her visit the beach during those months 3 times a month for 1 or 2 months.(itll cost you a pretty penny but its worth it to fit into thoses dresses)Now for the cheating.Id recommend you not do this unless its for one reason cus honestly cheating isnt fun in this game.SO if you want to see ALL the endings do this.Have your duaghter go to town.and then press q,r,n,and f12 all at once.it only takes once.then exit town.then return.youll notice that there are now 2 more shops.These 2 shops allow you do anything from getting pretty much infinite money,to buying ulimited buxomize pills to seeing all endings.all you have to do now is click set ending(then click the desired endind) and after that click end game.And voila all the endings at your fingertips.my personal favorites are the princess of darkness and princess.its also really fun to add in special marriages too.you can have her marry the servant of her father or of course the prince.So in the name of all great games. HAVE FUN AND ENJOY.hope this mightve helped everyone alittle bit.and sry for the length

Ok hint if you dont want a house wife then dont have her work in a resturaunt and win cooking contestsand whatnot.Ive had a girl who worked at a resturaunt the whole game become a high class prostitute.Its all about the stats.there are many sites that offer the stats required for each possible ending id suggest you gloss over a few to get the basic idea.

nice game....too bad it is so short..plaied for 3 days an about 2 hours evry day and finished it.very nice...but the part that ennoys me the most is that she starts running away from home from the ages 16+..and on her birthday. :wall: ...and in February when she has to meet with that guy at the castle.... :wall: ...never maid a fighter out of it...just a happy housewife. :Titan:

I generally jump at the chance to play simulation games like this, but the first time I heard of PM2 was at Something Awful...hardly a glowing recommendation and it made me avoid the game.

I came across it again while browsing here, decided to give it a chance, and wow, I'm glad I did! VERY addictive game. :) (In fact I have to wonder if the Something Awful guy was even playing the same one, or if he was just on mind-altering chemicals of some sort...)

The first time I just messed around seeing what the different choices did and wound up with a dance instructor with too low of a constitution to ever be very successful, though the second time I started to get the hang of things and tried to make her bratty and evil. She got arrested, stole from me to buy dresses, lazed off at work, and eventually became a prostitute. :D (I don't know what it says about me that I have so much fun trying to ruin the girl's life...)

Next time around I used the Mad Eddy cheat to get money to keep her at school and on vacations without having to work. She eventually won the dance, cooking, and painting competition, occasionally worked at the caberet but still had extremely high refinement, charisma, and sensitivity, chatted with all the people at the palace...and still became a prostitute. :( I admit I was hoping for a more manipulative or powerful evil sort, but from the tips I've read on this board maybe I should get the next one into adventuring?

What could you not love about this game? Many players, as I've read already, ended up loving their princess. Same happened with me. I'm actually too soft about it and I cannot bring myself to send her to the sleazy bar. The game presents features I have never seen before. I've played it over a hundred times already and I'm still missing a few endings. My first experience with the game was kinda crossy. I fumbled so much that she ended up in love with me. Consider I didn't knew the game's posibilities. So after all the work I find myself with this ending saying "typical goddamn sick japanese SOBs" and turned the thing off. A few weeks later I played it again almost bored to death and MAN! It was a completely different game. This time she fought and fought and adventured. She became a general, all the same. I got kinda pissed because I couldn't beat the war god, so I played again. This time I beat him, but I became aware of the cat eye thingy and tried to figure that out. Long story short, I played that confounded game from 20 to 15.

74 endings :blink:! I got maybe 3 so i guess there's a helluva lot of work ahead of me ;).
I found PM1 for SNES sometime somewhere and kept getting the dancer ending. Maybe cause i didn't know what i was doing or maybe i wasn't cheating (y'know, call me a wimp but i can't get anywhere with the money i'm getting. A month of work gets me like a day of school and i'm supposed to rule with that progress). I cretainly laughed at the concept of what i called at the time "boob erlargment pills". But after i looked at the site with endings and i found stuff like bondage queen or hi/lo class prostitute nothing will surprise me anymore.

Hey. I'm the one who asked if the game would be "appropriate" for me. LOL. Well, this game is totally awesome! I'm so glad I tried it! On my first three, they were all housewives *two married cube, one never married* and my 4th was a magic teacher who married cube! I'm gonna try hard to get her a lot better job this time! And are there any other requirements other than visit the prince every january to marry him?

You need at least 30 (?) in morals and your popularity at a certain point.

i think ive played this game all the way through 100 times just out of curiosity did anyone else get there daughter to be the queen of the demons that one was cool

Me again! ^_^ I just wanted to say thanks to all the people who answered my questions and I have a few more *LOL*. How do you raise morality? My daughter always doesn't get married or marries cube. My other question is that a man comes around about 2 times a year and asks my daughter to dinner. The first time, she agreed to go with the man, and she was in love (the last box under the gold amount) for a few years. She slept in her classes without any stress, then one day it just disappeared. So is your daughter being in love just a disadvantage, or is there an advantage to it? Oh, and when he comes now she refuses :P

...alrighty So, sorry if this is a bit off topic of a question but...Do you guys have limits on images in siggies? (aka how big they are or how often you use them?) And also, My stupid daughter was supposed to be a dancer *i didn't want her to be* the whole game, and her stats were uber high, like...500's in all her reputations and everything social-like was maxed out, plus a lot of other stats were maxed out...and she became a WRITER! an unmarried one! . So...is it just totally random when stuff like that happens or is there something I'm doing wrong? Oh, and she had low sensitivity because my last daughter kept running away because of it

Edit: I took out the smilies...there were like a 5. and it drives me crazy that every time i type l*o*l it turns into a smilie! Gr!

Whoops if i'm a guest, but I must say, I figured this to be 'just' a time-killer, as the review said... In the last 24 hours, i've spent over... what... 15 hours playing it... And I already plan to spend more time playing it. Its addictive... I highly reccomend this game.

Well i'm a member now, last post was my post.. BTW awesome smileys you got here...

Last night I hacked the save states of the game, pretty much maxxed out all her stats while shes 10 years old, I can change her age(so the game could last forever), And i can partially edit items(will finish mapping their layout soon). Also found how to give tons of money. Did anybody else here know that the programmers programmed in an 'invisible dress' so it actually showed her undressed? Surprised me too. I'm gonna make a program so that you can run it on a save state and select whatcha want done to it, and it can give you free items and tons of money upon will.

Anyways, Later.

Most of these changes can be made already by visiting Mad Eddy's shop. Maybe except for the age change, I'm not sure about that.
Of course it's more fun to have it figured out all by yourself :)

I have a tool, called MSG. It was specially designed to do such changes and creating stand-alone editors, so if you want you can give me your notes on what offset is responsible for what and I'll script the editor.

In the words of Green Day... "I walk alone".

I do most of the stuff by myself when I hack, and I can create my own programs and stuff... However come to think of it I might just work with you(im lazy, dats my weakness). Lemmie type up a document... I still haven't figured out the item properties, best to do is just take the data and give it as taken... Though I know already how to rename an item(up to 256 chars in length)... can your MSG do that?

Anyways...


[insert smart comment here... i can't think of any right now]

Later

Actually there's already a build-in cheat in the game, with which you can get all the items already, including the undressing dress, did you know that already? Why create an editor then? Waste of time... :whistle:

But you can set the stats exactly how you want them, etc, and also, the cheats is a little buggy, ya know? Besides, you can't rename items using the in-game cheats. ^_^

A great game! Very original concept; them Japanese really know how to create original games.

However, I just can't seem to make enough money for my lil' girl. She never seems to do well at jobs, and thus I never have enough money to send her to school either. Any help?

The more she works in one job, the better she becomes. And participating in the torunaments is the source of good income. So let her study for art or fighting or dancing, and the money will slowly, but surely come.

Haha I find the cooking tournament is always easy to win(i beat them by 300 points minimum, once by almost 900 points) and I get 3000 credits. As long as she works at some place, schools one time, and one free time every month, the 3000 lasts the whole year.

Depends. It can insert bytes into a file (altough it takes long to do so), but cannot shorten files. If the object records and their name tags are of fixed lengths (where after the ASCII in the name tag there are some "marker bytes"), then it will all be nice and clean. Otherwise might cause certain trouble (though I am quite prepared to at least TRY dealing with them).

As you might know, together with Natso I am working on hacking the heart out of the savegame data... however, as the translation is incomplete, a lot of possibly crucial information is unlabeled, making it impossible to uncover its meaning.

If any one of you here has got the original non-translated version of PM2, can I ask for telling me a few thing? In particular, I'd like to ask about the data tags displayed on the following pages at Mad Eddy's:
-Event Flags , top window lines 1 & 3, whole bottom and left windows
-Event Flags 2, Page 1, whole top, left and bottom windows
-Event flags 2, Page 2, left window line 4
-Event Flags 2, Page 3, whole top and bottom windows
-Event Occurences, top window lines 1 & 2, left window lines 3, 6 & 8, bottom window lines 1, 2, 4 & 8
-Event Occurences 2, whole left and bottom windows

If you are able to help me by telling me what they are, please do so. The more I know about this information, the more powerful the savegame editor will be in the end.

Well, so far I've finished it once with my girlie Kiyomi (named her after my favourite girl in Season of Sakura, a classic Hentai game) who ended up as a soldier and (as the epilogue stated) went on to become captain of the Forest Patrol.

Right now I'm going for the second time, and my current daughter Anne has got some pretty peculiar mood swings... she's mostly doing babysitting right now, and every now and then (when the finances allow it) she learns some protocol. However, she runs away quite often, and also becomes delinquent and/or sick frequently, though not for very long. Just what is going on here?

Maybe she keeps running away to sneak off with some boyfriend I know nothing about....

Does she have high sensitivity? I think that's one of the factors that makes her more likely to run away. Try having her work at some of the places that lower it.

OK. I have not read the whole post for PM2, so I don't know if anyone wrote. If it is like that: Sorry.

I played the game about one year ago, after I found it at The-underdogs.org.
I finally stopped playing because you can cheat quite easily.
If you take a Hex Editor and compare two savegames, you will stumble about the stats for your princess eventually. Set them all to 999 and the game is no challenge at all.
Also if try hexing, you can change the cloth of your princess including one thing i was never able to get in the game (looks like sth. evil). Also you can get her naked with only the necktie on...

To the guest: there is at least one hexing FAQ on PM2, altough it only covers basic stats.

I have an unfinished version of something far, FAR more advanced. Been working on that together with Natso, but didn't have time to get it 100% finished. The editor can change also an insane number of "hidden" stats, but not equipment (yet).

Okay. For running away, your sensitivity is generally over 400-500. In other words, your girl has gone hippie and is spending most of her time in a nature commune smoking weed. :)

I've managed to make my princess into the RULING QUEEN!!! :angel: (and mary the prince) WITHOUT using cheats.... :Brain:

Well, every time your daughter works at the church, her morality increases. It doesn't pay much but it will (most of the time) keep your kid decent :D Also, it reduces sin.
If she has a high enough intelligence, you can let her work as a tutor and this wil also increase her morals, though it takes away some charisma.
If she works at the sleazy bar however, her morals will go down!! (so, better don't let her work there then... ey? :angel: )

I've experienced some times when my daughter has very high morals, I believe over 200 or 300 and more, some demon will occasionaly come to you (the father) and say he lives on other persons morals, and as your daughter has a high moralstandard, he will offer money in exchange for morals. It's up to you to decide what's best for your daughter of course... :whistle:

Also, on other moments in the game, some older rich guy 'follows' your daughter after she comes from school or work, and will aks her to be his 'mistress'....in exchange for a lot of money.... But, if she has enough morals (i believe at least 100, but don't kill me if i'm wrong) she will say that 'she's not that kind of girl' and will refuse.... bummer if you're down on money... haha :bleh:

Keep her stress level DOWN!! Send her off to town every month...

Also, the higher her constitution level, the more stress she can take... So if you let her work for example at the farm, her constitution will raise, though her refinement drops, but you could let her work a lot at the farm (even though she stinks at it the first months!) for the first few years and later on, when you're sure you won't need to let her work at the farm anymore, try to raise her refinement again.... (for example, follow protocol or poetry at school...)

If her stresslevel is REALLY skyhigh, you could send her off to town WITH pocketmoney when you are asked for this, it will lower her stress considerably!! :ok:

To let her work succesfully at the salon, try to raise her sensitivity first (buy some poetrybooks or dolls, they increase sensitivity),
or let her work a couple of times at the graveyard or babysitting, this also increases her sensitivity... (So don't let her do housework after these efforts, because that takes sensitivity away!!)

Also, she doesn't need strength, it decreases when working at the salon, so keep that in mind... :whistle:

After a while she'll be good at being a hairdresser! aaaaww... :bleh:

It also has to do with the bloodtype you give your daughter...

If you give her type A, it will increase her morals every month, BUT also her stresslevel will go up by 2 points every end of the month...

If you give her type B, will make her stresslevel go down by 2 points every end of the month.... So you can have a happy smiling daughter, aaaaaaaaaaawww!! :D

Actually, early on, time is money, town trips are not money. Resource management is one of the keys to PM2, and money and stress reduction are resources.

I personally like to use dolls in the early game as stress reduction, along with lots of farm and church work, in lieu of free time. My reasoning's as follows (this is assuming you're trying for a high-ranking position such as Hero, Princess of Darkness or Bondage Queen, or another path that requires resource management):

1. The first year, hoarding money is necessary, though using it is not so important. You need to be ready to get her an education so by 12 at the oldest (usually while she's 11) she begins adventuring, which is the only way to go if you want lots and lots of cash (one trip into the desert, fighting skeletons at the Hell Hole, can net up to about 5000 gold). Therefore, a doll's selling price is effectively hoarded cash.
2. You need to farm to build constitution, which is probably the most important attribute in the game (affecting HP, physical resistance to stress, and Dancing), as well as Strength and cash to boot. Church work is also necessary to resist stress. This, of course, takes time.
3. Therefore, it's normally better to spend that week you would have spent in town on farming, and doll yourself up to keep stress down. First October, you can sell some dolls and use the Harvest Festival to rest down that stress.

Some math to back this up.
One tenday ("week" from now on) of farming, assuming no screwups (and if she screws up a farm job, either she's starting weak or you're doing something wrong): 8.5 days times 15g: 127.5g, 25.5 stress gained.
One doll: Selling price 60g-buying price 120g=-60g, -40 stress.
One week free time (no money involved yet): -50 stress.
So a week of farming can effectively pay for two dolls, reducing stress by 64.5, which is more than a week without pocket money.

Free Time Pocket Money: -100g, -50 stress. Compare this to just buying a doll with that money instead: -60g for -40 stress.

"But isn't this just saving a huge stressload for later?" No, it isn't, assuming you develop a bit of sensitivity (and you must develop sensitivity to maximize efficiency later, anyway). Sell all the dolls at once, while carrying a terrible burden of 200 stress or so (as high as you can get without delinquency or sickness), then take a trip to the lake for cooking lessons in the first week. Voila, all the stress is quickly gotten rid of.

hiya!! just a princess maker Fanatic passing by..

to all those people who have problems w/ linindex or something.. heres the solution.. (it happend 2 me.. and i manage 2 solve it by..)

OPen the zip file of princess Maker.. look for the LIBINDEX file and extract it to ur PM2 folder.. and just incase an error occurs like saying it doesnt support d0s.. just read it.. and i think it will tell u how to play it...

BTW.. does anyone know where can i download PM1, PM3 and the other PM4 not the ps2 one... ( I really lyk the PM4 ps2 ver.. it's really pretty and cool!!! ^_^)

And, I get to revise my opinion on a lot of my advice. In particular, for those who are going all the way for Queen, early money is more valuable than late money. The reason, of course, is the Chinese Orc, who seems to come early rather than late, and provides goods otherwise unattainable except through Mad Eddy, most importantly the Demon Pendant. (Extra Magic Attack+100 Refinement and Charisma=tasty.)

This doesn't rule out dolls, of course: they're certainly better than pocket money. What it means is that dolls no longer really count as stored money, so farming is no longer the way to stress relief: that honor belongs to free time again.

A lot of time ago, a friend of mine talk to me about this game and showed it to me. At first I thought it was some kind of girly game, and something like a pervert tamagochi. But boy, we get hooked really fast to the game.
Some time later, I found this game and downloaded it, and I played it a lot of times, and my daughters where a lot of thing, from beatifull bride to general, and a lot of the magician endings. I loved the game.
Then one day a lost a lot of CDs to the sun, and in one of them was my back-up with the game. I searched for it, but no luck. And the last week I reached this site looking for the DOS version of Colonization, and browsing the list of games I found it. I couldn't believe it and I downloaded it, and againg I was playing it almost non stop.
And the second daughter I raise, becomes something of a deception. I don't get it: I made her take a lot of fighting (and fencing) classes, she worked as a lumberjack a lot, she had 500 and something of fighter reputation, she taked part of the combat tournament at every harvest festival (and she won them all since 14 or 15, I don't remember it correctly), SHE DEFEATED THE WAR GOD, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! But no, still she became an artist. I really really don't understand. I believe that filthy art professor has the fault, she always looked at her in a dirty way. I think I will have a little "talk" with that guy... :karate: :hammer: :butcher:
I have nothing against the artist class, but I raised her as an adventurer, prificient with magic but above all thing a warrior. And she became an artist. Well, at least she didn't became a lowlife.
Yeah, this game is good, really really good. And I thank to the guy (or gal) responsible for this game to be available on this site, for letting me have this wonderfull game again. By the way, How can I make her marry with Cube or me? I read it here that is possible, but I don't know how. I always ended with something of a poor relationship with her (she doesn't hate me, just that the final score never goes above 20-30 for neither of us. And I always talk to her and that).
And If you don't know if download this game and are reading this, I tell you: download it, you won't regret it.



P.S.: BTW, I am not a native english speaker. Please, forgive my bad grammar and spelling.

Use the Beta Shop?:)

It gives you a setup that will -do- it, but the beta shop requirements are but one possible set of variables. I've never managed to get it through my own efforts, I think that's because you usually get the best marriage you can, and father-daughter is not as good as a knight, say, let alone the Prince.

Anyone know a pattern that will get you Cube or Father marriage?

Just care as much for your daughter, and don't let her work as much, but a little, like in the church. That requires that you have enough money available, so it's a hard way. Talk with your daughter daily, always buy her dolls or other things for birthday, and not only then but also at some days. Spend often holidays with her, those that are more fitting to the time of the year, and let her more free time.
In other words, indulge her and fill her time with your presence, but don't be too allowing to her, either. It's still hard to make her to start to love you, you would need to be not too old but more to her age, and the birthdays play a role too, the horoscopical fitting. But you'll surely find the thin right line ;)

There is one sure way to get her to marry Cube, but it is a bit extreme.

If your daughter loses from one of the "bandits" (there is one in the mountains,
lake and plains), there is a chance he'll try to rape her. In that case, Cube comes
and saves your daughter. Each time he does this, the cube/daughter relationship
raises tremendously. Do it a few times for a guaranteed cube/daughter marriage.

The positions of the bandits are:
Plains - inside the ring of stones, near the end of the area (keep jumping in and out
of the whole that leads to the slim milk)

Lake - walk around the big flower

Mountains - Try going to the house where they say "there is no one here"

To get the lake bandit, you must defeat the plains bandit, and to get the mountain bandit,
you must defeat the lake bandit. I think.

To Marry Cube:
If you don't want to lose to bandits, or it's so late in the game and you're so strong that you can't anymore, this is what I did:
I can't remember if it took two whole months or not. I didn't really care about the lost time because I was only trying to have her marry cube. But yeah:
Make sure you have at least two different weapons.
Then, slate her for nothing but adventuring for two months. As soon as she starts the adventure, have her camp and equip. Pick the weapon that you don't have on you, then rest. Cube will bring it and your daughter will think that's so nice of him. Then camp again, and equip the other sword. Repeat until you have to go home. It's tedious, but every time he brings you a weapon, your relationship goes up with him by a couple of points (never sure where it was between 1 and 5).
Other ways in general fall for Cube is losing to anyone on adventuring (though, yes, bandits make the score go way up), being sick and having him take care of you... and I think MAYBE being supervised by him when your daugther is a deliquent. Not sure on that one, though.

To Gain relationship with father:
Vacations! Talking every month. Scolding IF she's delinquent. Always buying her birthday presents.
I think these things make your relationship go down: Letting her have free time at the end of the month (rather than in the middle of the month, or a vacation), Her running away (and possibly being a delinquent too long). And I think I've also noticed that if you make her participate in a festival that isn't with her rival, your relationship goes down a little as well.
However, yeah, I've never had them marry. So, I think that your daughter being too awesome keeps her from marrying you. The two times I ended with a 100 relationship with her (and heard constant comments from her like "I want to marry you when I grow up"), she was a Warrior Hero, and then a Ruling Queen, and she married a genius knight both times.


I think this is because of one of two problems. The first one is easy enough to fix.

1. You won the art contest at least once, and still have the Master Brush(es).
I'm not exactly sure how the game decides your daughter's future, but I think it has to do with the highest stat she has, or maybe the highest stat she has in her best reputation.
If you happen to have her saved right before you schedule her, or near that time, if you pawn her paint brush, maybe her ending will be different. :)

2. You visited the art faeries in the woods a little too much. If that's the case, then her art may be too high to do anything about.
Does anyone else know if her job is decided by her highest stat, or if it's her highest stat in her best reputation?
If it's her highest stat in her best reputation, then what you'd need to do is get her social reputation lower than her fighting reputation. This can be done to some extent, even on her birthday.
Have her talk to the Jester if you can. Make sure she's equipped with the very best weapons you have.
Now... if you have the royal sword, you could sell it. She'll lose 30 social rep, but also 30 fighter rep. You can get back the figher rep by either cheating and buying Dragon Claws from Eddy's, or by going into town constantly and hoping random people challenge her.



Ok, here is my question. I heard that you can become someone's mistress while she's still under 18 and he'll pay her every month for her "services." I thought this would be fun, so I put my girl with already 800+ Charisma in the sleazy bars and cabaret when she was 16. By the time she became 17, yes, she became someone's mistress.
Then, in May of her last year (Her birthday was in October, so 7 months before she grew up), after working in the cabaret, some young guy approached her and asked if she wanted to go to dinner. She said yes, and it said they went off together or something, and then... you know those little icons that have like, her weapon, her armor, if she's sick and if she's delinquent? There's one more, and it's on the far right, and after she went to dinner with this guy, it turned into a heart and said "love."
This icon stayed until the start of September (her second to last month).
I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else, getting the little heart.
And also, if it has, has it lasted anyone to the day where she did grow up, and if so, does it affect her marraige at all?

All right. I've babbled long enough, me thinks. :) Hope I answered someone's question, and maybe someone has an answer for one of my own. :)


-Auri

Hm. Did anything in particular happen in the few months before the heart vanished?

I've had it before (the heart/love icon), but nothing happened. I asked here about it, and they told me some things back some pages. What I think it is is that it's actually a bad thing, because sometimes she'll reject him and say, "No, I have to go home. My father wouldn't want me to go." Or something like that, but she references you in what she says to him, so I think she is sorta disobeying you if she goes with him. I also noticed when she had the love icon she didn't pay attention in class or work properly or listen much at all, so she probably needs discipline or something.

Not really. I didn't do anything differently than I had before. I was still the other guy's mistress. I was still working in the Cabaret. I took her to the beach a couple of times that summer.
I thought maybe it was the fact that her sin topped 500 the month the heart went away, but I went back to the previous month and got rid of a bunch of sin, so it still happened, so that wasn't the reason.

I read a few pages back that someone also had the in love heart. Does anyone know how this is triggered in the first place? Does it only happen if she has high charisma or sensitivity... are sins and morals also factors?
Does being in love do anything? I really just want to know what happens if you're in love at the very end. But maybe the game is set so that can't happen.

Now I want to be really ambitious and look at the files and see what makes the game tick. Too bad I don't have foxpro. Bah.

hay ya'all..i wuz wonderin...izzit possible to get married before the age of 18? cuz i used the cheat to get perfume right at the beginning of the game so she got proposals even though shes only 10 and wen i click accept she protests and sez she doesnt want to marry someone she doesnt know

I have never won the art contest, but I have send her to a couple of art classes (because she was working as a mason, and she sucked), and the second class she painted a painting (I still don't know why a let her do that), but that was when she still was a little girl. ?Maybe that had something to do with it? And yes, she visited the art fairies a lot, because I wanted her to burn off some big stress without her losing constitution (and without her gaining cooking skill). Her art skill was her highest skill (I've checked the savegame) but for a few point, and her social reputatios was way too low (Both her fighter reputation and magician reputation were higher, and by a lot of points). So, I don't know what to think.




And with another girl I had her being a woman (I wanted one of the "bad" endings) and she worked at the sleazy bar a lot. She became someone mistress by 16 if I remember it right, and she too became in love with a guy who invited her to dinner, and was in love to her 18th birthday (but he never appeared again, at least not on-screen ;-)), but she disn't marry anyone. Her guardian god said that it was because of her low morality (it was 0 :D ). I don't know what could have happened if her morality wasn't so low....

The art fairies take away constitution, the cooking fairies don't.

The art fairies take away constitution, the cooking fairies don't. [/b][/quote]
He!, I get them mixed up. Well, I guess I tried to not gain too much cooking and visited the art fairies to still get the stress reduction. :crazy: Thanks for the correction.
But still, she was a cool fighter and a mediocre magician, and the other reputatios where way too low. I guess I will try it again, without visiting the fairies too much nor painting any picture... if only I could find the time...

It's a charming little game :)

My first became a housewife that married Cube
The second became a mercenary that never married
The third became a general who never married.

The fourth annihalated everything in her way, including the War God, and was the tops in both combat and magic. She became a Hero, but was so powerful that there was nothing in the world of adventure to challenge her, and she became arrogant of herself. She returned home disappointed, but married an intelligent knight.

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I find the combat/warrior route far far easier than the refinement/high society route. When she gets a job as a hairdresser, she buggers off from time to time, which the warrior ones never did.

You can have her paint pictures, just as long as at the end of the game (or earlier, if you prefer) you sell off her master brush. If not, her art goes sky high. Even with the faeries visit, if her art isn't above 109, she's probably ok, because chances are, with armor and such, her other fighting skills will be higher. It's when her art or cookie is like... 130 that there's a problem. I had a lot of artists and skilled dancers before I figured out my problem. ;)

Heh, yeah, from the sound of your past daughters, you don't focus too much on morality (bah... you get paid nothing at that church), and then you add the sensitivity from the hairdessing... bah. low morality + high sensitivity = I hate that little runaway brat!!!

I had an arrogant hero once. Glad to know I'm not the only one. I think it's silly that the game punishes you for being too good. Or was it because some random variable I had wasn't high enough? Like morality or faith? Hmmm. Sometime I'd REALLY like to look at the code for this game.

High cooking is usually not a problem either, even if it's your highest skill. Reason being: there's two housework endings. Maid is a sign that you did nothing whatsoever, and Domestic Training requires 421+ HW rep.

The same thing happened to me, she was "in love" till the very end of the game, but she didn't mary, because of her low morals (about 11).
Fortunately, I saved the game just after she met this 'dinner-guy',so she got the 'Love icon',(she was still a mistress aswell), but from then on I only let her work at the church for the remaining half year, to boost up her morals again.
I got her to stop being a mistress of that older rich guy, but she still had the 'Love' icon 'till the very end, though you never see the 'dinner-guy' again, at least, I didn't.

When she grew up, her ending was slightly different! She DID get married, but not with that 'dinner-guy' or anything, she just married a clever knight... :blink: Her morals were 'only' 41... Oh well...

This is random... but in case you ever save right before you make her grow up, and her morals are too low to get married. If you have enough money, and buy the spikey dress and put it on her, then immediately take it off, she'll suddenly have 30 morals. If you're using the cheats, you can do the same with the demon dress, but instead get 100.

It's a handy little trick.

I played this game for a number of years, then i lost it ti a hard disk crash :(

I was wondering if anyone had got the patch. (it replaced the missing and changed pictures) Not too worried about the missing vactaion pictures but there are several ending pictures that were also either removed or changed.

Yes i know i'm a sad sad person but i like to have the orignial, or as close as i can get and i know the patch exists because i downloaded it before.

All my 'daughters' are named after my own daughters.

So far i've had 2 generals, 1 bounty hunter and surprisingly a Great hero (following in her dads footssteps) not gone for the peaceful/non viloent route as yet
might try that next. :whistle:

LOL. I've played this game too much.

I think this is what I've had in the order I've had them:

Artist
Thug / Magician (went back a little and added morals / less sin)
Dancer
Princess of Darkness
Royal Magician
Ruling Queen
Bondage Queen
General
Warrior Hero (a bad one - too powerful)
Royal Concubine

I've also gotten a Bounty Hunter and a Nun, by changing a couple of my girls slightly before her birthday. I can't remember which came from where though. If I recall the nun had morals under 100 so I was really surprised when she popped up.

I want a nice hero like yours. :)

triied two non vilent routes last night one sencible and one very silly (lots of cabaret work). Got a housewife with no husband and a harlot who married Cube ( this was a first for me :ok: )

-What- peaceful/non violent route?

Sadly, the game requires you to get Fighting and Magic rep for most endings, as well as Social and Housework. Also, of course, adventure is really the only way to the money you need for dance school.

Yeah, it's also the key to lots of charisma that makes dance possible. :)

Ever notice that aside from the sleazy bar and cabaret, that it's hard to get charisma up? I'd never make my quota without deals with Lucifon and Mermaid Tears. :)

Gosh... I really want to play now....

One of the lessons pushes up charisma. Also the siren dress dose i think.

There are a far a I remeber as many endings that don't require fighting as that do.

I won both the dance competion and the cooking competions without fighting.

The peaceful route is not taking fighting or fencing and not going adventureing.

There are several well paying jobs that give you quite a lot of money to allow shcooling as well.

Also if you win the competions you get 3k+ in gold which if use carfully can last quite a long while.

If all the endings were easy to get there would be no fun in trying to get as many as you can.

Ok... So... what I said before about Charisma... I lied. I was playing this girl... and she got all this random charisma!

She was 11, and her Charisma was 102. And then I never did anything again that would give her any charisma (no lucifon, no god blessing, no mermaid tears, no venus jewels, no sleazy bar/cabaret, no fairy nectar, no dance class). I had the siren robe on her for a long while, but took it off because it was hot... then I randomly looked at her charisma when she was 16 or 17, and it was like, 226 or something.

I also recall having one girl, and it seemed like her charisma would randomly go down.

Do they have random charisma fluctuations?

I believe this has to do with the date of birth of your daughter.
Every time your daughter has her birthday, some stats raise a certain amount of points. For example, some dates raise charisma and refinement, other dates raise intelligence.
I'm not sure which dates do what, but you could try out some different dates... :)

Maybe somebody knows which dates raise which stats?

(I know that my daughter, born October 31th, allways has her charisma boosted every year...and I thought also her refinement. Sometimes she also says that "girls born under the Scorpio Devinio (something like that) have a mysterious charm")

This game rocks! I got it off to the Underdogs....this game seems like any other ren'ai game, and Alter Ego (both are good things....as it means it has infinite replayability) Oh, and the 74 ending thing? Not exactly true. Ya see, theres in fact MANY more, due to choices you make affecting the ending (like who she marries, what class she went to most often, what job she went to most often, whther she succeeds at her job, and if she has children)

So...ehhh...anyway...yea...THIS GAME OWNZ!

I think AB gives her 2 sensitivity every month. I really don't know what O does though. And A, while it raises stress, also gives her morality every month as well. :)

As far as the cheats are concerned... you can actually manually put a cheat code in one of the game files, and then it just always has the cheats available, without needing to press keys. I just can't remember what is is. You could probably google it.

This post is really just a summary of what I noticed afer playing this game for some time - I don´t claim the information is right, but I´m quite sure it works the way I explain things here:

Morals & sensitivity => reason for daughters running away:
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Your daughter´s morals seen to determine the amount of stress she can take before getting angry at you. So morals seem to be an indicator of how egoistic / altruistic she is. In case of very high moral standings she can endure some serious hardship before getting upset. If she is angry at you, you can scold her (talking option). This will lower her stress value by a certain amount depending on how good your relationship is with your daughter. This is probably a rather nice option but I never get to use it, because my daughters usually have a very high sensitivity. She should get angry at you once her stress level is higher than her morals (or something like that). However, in case your daughter is a very sensitive type (sensitivity about as high as her morals or even higher) she will rather run away instead of carrying out the conflict openly with you (she´s a whiner :cry: ). There are many ways of lowering her sensitivity: keeping the unicorn horn (event), keeping the spirit egg (event) or just by having her do some homework (quite effective: -2 / day), taking strategy lessons or choosing an appropriate job, etc.. But there are just as many ways to gain sensitivity which can really be a pain since it´s often a byproduct while doing something else. At least my daughters usually skyrocket in sensitivity while I don´t even want that to happen (except for the beginning maybe where it can be rather important but difficult to raise).

Constitution => job performance:
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Job performance at it´s heart depends on the job your daughter is currently on. Cooking at the restaurant requires some basic cooking knowledge before you can actually turn out some profit, just like working at the mason or hairdresser require some artistic skill. These values cannot be seen anywhere but you will know at some point what skills are required to achieve a good basic job performance. But there is also some job performance determined by the amount of stress your daughter is exposed to currently. I believe the stress-limit is different for each job. Some rather easy jobs like housework or working at the church can be properly performed at high stress levels even, others like the hairdresser seem more difficult and require less stress. The overall limit can however be increased by raising her constitution. The tougher she is, the more stress she can take before failing in a job. This is mainly a problem in the beginning of the game, especially when your daughter is really weak (like 15 constitution). You may want to feed her better then or have her work a bit at the farm for some time. Money will be quite a problem though, so you may want to loot the treasure chests in the dungeons early on (just rest early enough and no monster will ever attack you - in case they do: first try to hide and then run away). As I already mentioned, if her stress is higher than her morals, she will also stop working / learning. So this can also affect job performance. Just send her to the church or have her work as a mentor (second choice though - decreases charisma & appears rather late in game) if you want to raise that limit. You may also want to choose a daughter with blood-type A (+2 morals each month). She will never laugh though since she also gets +2 stress each month (the serious type it seems). There is also a patron deity which increases her morals by 100 once she defeats the god of war. I think it was the one in march / april.

Endings => rather dependant on her best skill & reputation?
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This is something that really disturbs me. I have played the game about 10 times or so and I just get the feeling the most important thing in determining the ending is her highest ability. In case you had her visit the dancing fairies or win the art contest a few times (without selling the brushes) she will almost always end up as a writer / jester even though she was a fighter throughout the whole game and has a fighter reputation of 999 while her social reputation is only around 300 - 400. Once art is higher than a fighting ability you already lost her to the world of poems (while having a certain sensitivity value probably - but attributes generally seem to play a rather unimportant role in determining the ending). This is even true if she never had a poetry class. It also applies to some other values but maybe housework is turned down somehow. A reputation value seems only to be a limiting factor if it is below 300. Once it reaches 300 and above it seems to open up most possible branches and so her highest skill will determine the outcome. That is my observation at least but I am not completely sure about it. I could have tested it by cheating but I was just too lazy to do it. Some sites claim to know the exact values but I can tell all those I saw must have been wrong just by looking at the requirements for general and writer (main occupations for my daughters).

As I said I´m unsure whether this information is correct. If you think I´m mistaken just post your thoughts. :Titan:

Constitution, in itself, has nothing to do with job performance. It does determine how much stress it takes to get unhealthy though, and bad health kills performance.

As to keeping her from delinquency...morals have nothing to do with it. Faith is what keeps her in line.

Finally, running away usually has nothing to do with stress, just high Sensitivity, and she just runs away to go into the mountains for a while.

Is there a way to stop her from running away? When I really get her reputation and everything high up, she just runs away and looses it all again.

Give her a holiday every now and then. It still might not be enough in some cases, but at least it helps a lot. It also depends on your daughter's birth date.

Constitution: Ok, you said it´s bad health which makes her fail at work and I said it happens when her stress reaches a certain percentage of her constitution. That´s the only difference I can see here - both the same to me. After all it has an impact on job performance.

Delinquency: All my Princesses have a faith value of 0 and usually stay in line. So this certainly has nothing to do with it. You just need it for certain endings and when conversing with that holy guy in the castle.

Running away: Might as well be based on Sensitivity only but I don´t think so. I think I had some very sensitive daughters who never ran away (can´t remember correctly though - might be wrong).

No way. Sending her off on a holiday does not help in the long term. His daughter is too sensitive, so he should rather decrease that value by letting her work at home for some time or sending her to strategy lessons, etc.. Otherwise it will happen again. Sending her on a holiday in the mountains could in certain months increase her sensitivity which would make things worse even.

Constitution: Ok, you said it´s bad health which makes her fail at work and I said it happens when her stress reaches a certain percentage of her constitution. That´s the only difference I can see here - both the same to me. After all it has an impact on job performance.

Delinquency: All my Princesses have a faith value of 0 and usually stay in line. So this certainly has nothing to do with it. You just need it for certain endings and when conversing with that holy guy in the castle.

Running away: Might as well be based on Sensitivity only but I don´t think so. I think I had some very sensitive daughters who never ran away (can´t remember correctly though - might be wrong). [/b][/quote]
And surprisingly, mine have no morals most of the time, but they don't become delinquent until their stress passes their Faith.

Therefore, it looks like either the higher of Morals and Faith is the determinant, or Faith+Morals determines the delinquency line.

(Also, near as I can tell, Bad Health usually occurs because your stress > your Constitution.)

Yeah, once with cheating, I tried to see how thin I could get her, and I think it was 52lbs (can't remember how tall she was, though).

One I also tried to see how fat I could get her (but without cheating, so no max gain). And I think it was like... 168 or something like that.

Regardless of her weight, her image never changed all that much.

As for being queen...
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...randaqueen.jpg

This was my fourth or fifth daughter I think, and I was able to get her to queen with no cheating. She only did "fairly well" at her work, but I'm assuming that's because her morality wasn't that high. I think she had an end score of 1314.

What everyone else has said pretty much holds.
Refinement needs to be over 800, morality I think needs to be above a certain point (100, maybe? but higher is better, or she's an awful queen). Reps all in that 400 range somewhere, and no incredibly outstanding reputation (like Art at 200 or something).

Feel free to have an overstuffed cooking skill. That's how I handled the housework requirement: I had her always going to the fairies for cooking charms, and had a cooking of like...300. Didn't stop me from queening excellently.

Hmmm. Interesting. I just had her win the cooking festival three times. I usually just used the art faeries.

It was great, work her to the bone at the farm two of the three times a month, then take her to the forest, get her stress to 0, get the needed art points for the festival that year... and still end up with a gain in constitution.

I'm assuming with 300 cooking, her housework was still not her highest rep? Still, it seems like sometimes, even with social not her highest rep, if my art was above 120, she always ended up as a dancer or something. But I could be very confused there. I hate the stupid art careers. grrrr them.

::blinks:: The forest fairies give cooking skill. The art fairies are one of the two sets at the lake.

No, housework was still the lowest rep. Her temperament and cleaning were not overly good.

Overly high art skill, however, makes you into an Artist rather than a Queen.

There are art faeries in the forest, I am 100% certain of this, as that's where I always use them (because I go to them during her second year, when she's too weak to go anywhere else). :) There are also cooking in the forest. The art are just a little south of the cooking, in that little area with the tree and the stumps.

I really, really would like to get a look at the code to see exactly how they program that qualifications. I think that would be awesome. :)

[font=Geneva]Well, hello everybody. I'm new here at the forum, so I'd better introduce myself. Excuse me, I know all introducings are boring. :cry:

My name is Ezequiel, I'm 26 years old, and I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I study Latin and Greek (I don't know how this degree is called on your universities). I play videogames since my childhood, when my fathers gave me a MSX-1 for my 1983 Xmas present. I still got a Pentium-100 at home that works perfectly; but I'm planning to buy a new PC this year. Since it's difficult to get brand new games for my machine this days, I downloaded a lot of games from this site; but I haven't participated on the forums until now because I got an account on GameSpot and it could get very difficult to me to post on two forums at the same time. But on that site, the forums of games that falled under the abandonware tag are somewhat dead. So, I decided it would be a good idea to join Abandonia, because it would be very nice to talk with people that, perhaps, is playing nowadays the same games as I do.

Well, I think it would be better to get on-topic now. :[img]http://www.abandonia.com/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' />

I got PM2 about 2, 3 years ago; and since then I always had a game of it running. I would say that PM2 came to my life to stay there forever, since Olive built his own house on my hard disk. :D I have recommended this game to everyone of my friends, and since it's a completely unknown game here in Argentina, I would say that I'm responsible for unleashing a minor PM2 fever on my city. :evil: I even posted a review for GameSpot. As to my friends, they got as hooked to it as myself, and we spent five months experimenting and trying to crack every secret. We even called each other at weird hours (like 4:23 in the morning) just to tell that we have got a completely new ending. By that time, we haven't looked for any guide or FAQ on the web because we wanted to do it on our own; and when we decided to search one for the sake of previewing what we have overlooked, we have cracked a 40% of the whole by ourselves.

What I think about this game is fairly logical... IT'S PERFECT!!! :w00t: :ok: :Brain:

Well, I don't want to write a telephone guide here... Let me say only this. I'm still playing it (coudn't be otherwise), but I have "infected" a friend of mine that is psychologist. We have talked a lot about PM2, and she says that this game could quite surely show hints to our quality as fathers, and, therefore, show hints about our paternal images. She says that it got something to do with Jungian archetypes and the superego. Since I'm not a psychologist, I couldn't say how long this is true; but it is very shocking that PM2 could be deep to that extent, isn't it? :omg:

I don't bother you anymore. We'll keep on touch. Thanks for reading. :ok: :bye:

BoldoAsesino, welcome to the board! I think it's very exciting that you have gotten so many people interested in this game.

I also admire how much you and your friends have done without any help from guides.

I only ever played two times all on my own before I started looking up secrets online. I have played a lot since, but now I know all the possible endings, and generally try to get one of them.

What's been your favorite ending that you've gotten?

Thank you very much for your welcome, Auri!!! :<!--emo&LOL:-->http://www.abandonia.com/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif<!--endemo-->

Well, the first endings I got were pretty much the usual ones. The first time I played, I didn't got any clue at all about how this game was supposed to work, so I got an unhappy and bored housewife. :not_ok: :cry: My second one was somewhat better, as it became an average writer.

The third one was absolutely freakish, because it became a Fortune Teller, but she married Cube!!! :sick: :wall: :guns:

I think that the best ending I got was when my daughter became a successful painter. She got Sensitivity at maximum (999), Art at 354 (she won five art contests and I didn't pawn her Brush trophies), and I don't remember the other ones. Well, the ending text said something about that people came from the four corners of the kingdom to asist to my daughter's expositions, and because of her Sensitivity her paintings were so moving that people always come out crying! :w00t: I never thought that painting could get so threatening and dangerous!

What about you, Auri?

I think there are like... what? Around 50 careers? And also various degrees of how good you can be. And different husbands.

Let's see... well, the best ending I ever got was an average queen. I also had a fighter hero, but apparently she was too strong or something so she became arrogant. I was never sure what that was about. Haha... then there was the time I got a bondage queen who was incredible at her work. That made Venus mad. :)

my first ever ending though was an artist. I can't remember how good she was. I think my next ending after that was a bandit. But I felt bad for her, so I went back a month and got rid of all her sin, so she became a magician.

Heh. The first time my roommate ever played, she had a bored housewife too, who was told she needed to lose some weight. Now THAT was priceless.

So the very next day, my roommate decided she wanted to use the money cheat. I told her not to because it's more fun to know you can get your daughter to turn out well without the cheating...
But even with cheating, her daughter ended up being a farmer's wife. It was pretty funny. Anyway...


Edited to say:
Bah. Sorry for the double post. I didn't know we could edit.

Anyway, I'm still not sure Lindsey ever got the hang of the game without cheating. I think the best she ever got on her own was a General. It might have even been a Knight.

Queen of Darkness? That's easy.

500 sin
300 fighting rep
200 magic rep

May conflict with being a Bondage Queen...

Lots of special after-hours efforts at the sleazy bar when she's 17, presto, your fighter-mage is now in charge of evil worldwide.

As to Archbishop...the way to get it is to do a lot of churchwork. [/b][/quote]
1. It is very difficult to maintain rep requirements, cuz even in late teenage your daughter starts to run away very often once u make her work in sleazy bar (plus helluva lot of stress). Hence, the difficulties to make her Queen of Darkness.
2. Doing lot of churchwork ALWAYS made my daughter a NUN, not an Archbishop, though I had all reputations and charateristics as needed.

Well, I know there are the requrements on some gamefaq site, but they aren't exact. I know it says there that if you want her to become a queen you need:
Charisma: 499
Fighting rep: 470
Magic rep: 470
Social rep: 470
Domestic rep: 470

I had all of those, but it didn't work, because they left out the most importaint - refinement 800+

So you're probably missing some other characteristic (how's the morals and how are her maternal skills - they play a slight role - they get hight if you let her work as a baby sitter or as a tutor).

I remember my Queen of Darkness wasn't too hard to get. I probably did have to save every month and reload a lot. But I do that for any daughter religiously.

I don't think I worked too much in the sleazy bar, really. My Queen of Darkness was more a "go out in the adventure areas, kill things for sin, and then leave early for the rep points." And I made multiple deals with Lucifon which I think made sin go up as well.
It worked really well. The adventures didn't add stress, and you still got money from them. However, so much adventuring does make the game drag much, much longer.




Hmmm. Those look familiar to what I've seen for a Queen by Marriage:

Charisma = 499
Fighting Reputation = 370
Magic Reputation = 370
Social Reputation = 421
Housework Reputation = 370


These are what I've found for a Ruling Queen though:

Refinement= 800
Fighting Rep. = 378
Magic Rep. = 378
Social Rep. = 365
Housework Rep. = 350


Those work pretty well; you can see a screen shot of a ruling queen I had one page back.

The thing about the Queen by Marriage... I'm about 90% sure if you've already established an ending marraige, then you aren't going to get one of the social endings (Queen by Marraige included).

Not sure if that was an issue or not, but that's what I've been experiencing. Once I was totally gunning for a Royal Concubine, and I had all the stats, but I had her get engaged to the Dragon Youth, so she ended up being a Homemaker or something. Bah!

Check this out
http://www.t45ol.com/play_us/1862/princess-maker.html

...-why- does nobody know how to manage stress around here?

Hint, hint, hint. Use the ****ing cooking fairies.

...-why- does nobody know how to manage stress around here?

Hint, hint, hint. Use the ****ing cooking fairies. [/b][/quote]
The downside to that though, is...

If you use them enough, your cooking will go sky high, so unless you're careful, you could get the homemaker career. What do you get from them each time? 30? So... in just 5 visits her cooking skill is higher than any other skill possibly can be, (save art if you visit those faeries and keep the master brushes). And if that's the case, it can seriously mess up your end result.

I doubt it matters as much for the dark careers, since you won't likely be a homemaker with sin 500, but for most other things you have to plan exactly.

I usually avoid cooking fairies at all cost. For most of my daughters, I do house work her whole first year, so that I can get cooking and cleaning up evenly, as well as temperment. By the time my daughter is strong enough to go on adventures, she already has max cooking. I'm more of the art fairy type. :)

The downside to that though, is...

If you use them enough, your cooking will go sky high, so unless you're careful, you could get the homemaker career. What do you get from them each time? 30? So... in just 5 visits her cooking skill is higher than any other skill possibly can be, (save art if you visit those faeries and keep the master brushes). And if that's the case, it can seriously mess up your end result.

I doubt it matters as much for the dark careers, since you won't likely be a homemaker with sin 500, but for most other things you have to plan exactly.

I usually avoid cooking fairies at all cost. For most of my daughters, I do house work her whole first year, so that I can get cooking and cleaning up evenly, as well as temperment. By the time my daughter is strong enough to go on adventures, she already has max cooking. I'm more of the art fairy type. :) [/b][/quote]
Actually, I tend to do well (queenly, in fact) with a -very high- cooking skill, because my girl's Cleaning and Temperament suck like...a sinful character after she becomes a common prostitute :angel: In fact, since they do, and since I don't touch the Housework competition with a ten-foot pole, and since she -needs- a good Housework rep...that's why the cooking fairies come in handy.

(Also: I believe (but have not tested scientifically) that the lake cooking fairies give less skill than the forest ones.)

Ah. Yeah, my general strategy is this:

Go with an AB girl (as they get sensitivity each month), spend all of my money to give her meat the first two or three months (she gets higher constitution and can work three times in a row), and have her do nothing but housework and rest until she's full on cooking, cleaning and temperment. Then babysit the rest of the year.
Once it's time for the festival, I spend all remaining money on dolls, then I almost always get 1st or 2nd in the cooking contest (will reload if I don't. Sometimes it's just sort of random).

The second year is devoted almost entirely to farming, and at the end of it, win cooking contest again (at this point sensitivitly will be way high enough to win it without a problem).

Then the third year is spent farming, learning to fight and adventuring, visiting the art fairies until she's in the 70's or 80s', then do four art classes, get the picture, and win the art festival at the end of the year.

farm, fence, free art points & fighter rep points every month for a year, 0 stress, is pretty sweet. :)

After that, the years just depend on what I'm looking for.

With my first queen, I think I ended up having her win the cooking contest her last year too, to boost housework rep up high enough.




That's the great thing about this game! There are so many different endings, and so many different strategies that work!

I should try to get a queen playing completely different sometimes. I've gotten too comfortable in my normal method. :P

Wow...this game is awesome. And to think I almost didn't download it because I thought it would be too "girly".

Awesome that this beta managed to get leaked, else I would never have played these games. The language barrier sucks, I won't be able to play any of the others until I learn a really tricky Asian language. Sorta sucks, but hopefully we can wish for complete fan translations if the word about this is spread enough.

Oh, and almost forgot, a bit of related humor: http://solidsharkey.com/pm2.html

Ah. Yeah, my general strategy is this:

Go with an AB girl (as they get sensitivity each month), spend all of my money to give her meat the first two or three months (she gets higher constitution and can work three times in a row), and have her do nothing but housework and rest until she's full on cooking, cleaning and temperment. Then babysit the rest of the year.
Once it's time for the festival, I spend all remaining money on dolls, then I almost always get 1st or 2nd in the cooking contest (will reload if I don't. Sometimes it's just sort of random).

The second year is devoted almost entirely to farming, and at the end of it, win cooking contest again (at this point sensitivitly will be way high enough to win it without a problem).

Then the third year is spent farming, learning to fight and adventuring, visiting the art fairies until she's in the 70's or 80s', then do four art classes, get the picture, and win the art festival at the end of the year.

farm, fence, free art points & fighter rep points every month for a year, 0 stress, is pretty sweet. :)

After that, the years just depend on what I'm looking for.

With my first queen, I think I ended up having her win the cooking contest her last year too, to boost housework rep up high enough.




That's the great thing about this game! There are so many different endings, and so many different strategies that work!

I should try to get a queen playing completely different sometimes. I've gotten too comfortable in my normal method. :P [/b][/quote]
What's the preferred date of birth?

And a related question: Are there any guardians that give a boost to more than one characteristics (when you reach them in the north mountains I mean)?

and a bit :ot: . I'm just interested if I am the only guy here who has missing text files (so that the description of different grades of success in careers is unavailable)???

Date of Birth: October 1.
With the entire year, if you do things right, you're almost gaurenteed a 2nd place finish at the festival in cooking, and lately I've been getting first.
The downside is, your 500 has to last a whole year, where you make almost no money because she does mostly housework, plus I like to buy her meat the first few months. So, I'm generally in the negative until the next payday. :P But the festival money makes up for it.

I have no idea which, if any of the dieties give you more than one skill. I've only ever had Venus as my gaurdian.

And as far as the missing files go, nope, you're not the only one. I'm missing several text files. I would really, really love to go in there and create text files for all the missing entries (I'm guessing I could figure out what needed to be what if I saw the code), but the files are all locked away in foxpro files or SOMETHING. Meh.
In the end, to figure out how your daughter did with her work, you just have to take what the guardian said... but it's sad because you can't really find out why she did poorly.

I think it's got to do with comitment. If she worked someplace often enoughthen she worked well (it's then that she'll also report this and this person was a kind of a mentor to her).

Ups - that's me (I forgot I wasn't logged in).

My daughter ALWAYS marries a wizard.
Grr.

I love this game and I think Cube is adorable! I wish my daughter would marry him! :D My daughter runs away a lot even if she is non-stress as well and it is grr and the sound doesn't work if you run it on Win95 or very chewed up and grr grr grr YAY

Any pros around here know of a way to quickly increase your fighter/magic rep quickly? Apparently - and I've yet to find any guides that makes mention this - your character can get arrested for associating with thieves. This seems to happen at random when your character is delinquent (in my case she also had 0 Morals and 500+ Sin, so that probably didn't help), and causes her to lose all but a smidgeon of her F/M rep, but also reduces her stress and Sin to 0 (She repents.)

The problem is, since all my fighter/magic stats have already been maxed, and all the bandits captured, and my rep is too low to attract duels, the only options left to me seems to win tournaments and returning home early from adventures. Dragon teeth would work, but seeing as how dragons run at the drop of a hat, that's probably even less reliable.

How much rep do you need to attract duels, anyway? At this rate I'll probably just have her retire from her fighting career.

I think you need at least 115 of respectively fighter or mage reputation for the duels. I had mostly 120-130 (training up to 100, adventuring / fighting the rest) with her and duels were high on agenda.

Well, after taking almost non-stop theology courses to get the last bit of my magic def up and raiding the forest map a couple of times (also found the elf by the giant tree, which gave me some magic stats for some of my att skill), I finally managed to get my rep 200 up from about 80. It seems that's how much magic rep you need to start getting challenges on the street. Now I can focus on something else for a while...

Crap.... I just realized something. I only have 2 festivals left and I've still got 3 categories to win. Ugh.

> If you get arrested late in the game, your chances of rebuilding your rep are over.

Not true. Once you get enough rep to start getting duels, you can simply go to and return from town over and over to trigger them. Not technically cheating, even if it is a blatant exploit. :whistle:

Actually, now that I managed to end the game with her reputation intact, I'm sort of disappointed that my character ended up as an adventurer - not that it was all that surprising I don't know... maybe I was hoping for something a bit more... nuanced? I guess it wasn't like she was going to be a poet and a warrior. Heh.

On a sidenote, I find it kind of odd for "Adventuring" to be considered a class during the ending sequence. It seems to me like any character with any fighting ability whatsoever would almost be garunteed to have farming and adventuring as their most "memorable" experiences, which is kind of dull. Personally, I'd have made adventuring a "job "instead, since that's how I make most of my money late in the game anyways, and it'd be much more informative to see which real class I actually took the most.

there is some character in mountain area that is sor tof some got or somehting. lives high up in the sky. anyway i was wondering is there a way to defeat him or get somehitng from him? i tried to use all available training and also some cheats to help me, but problem was that i couldn't beat him. a warrior is supposed to challenge him and beat him i believe. anyone done it?

I did it one time. She was then maxed out warrior through training and adventuring. Don't remember the stats now, but she was very high on all fighter-relevat stats. Anyway, when you defeat him... no, I'll leave the fun to find it out to you ;)

Oh, btw, you'll need that best most expensive fighter armor for her or you can forget fighting the god. And the best purchasable weapon too, of course. And while you're training the fighter stats take her armor and weapon off, then her fighter stats are lower and therefore train faster and up to their natural maximum. With items on her stats are then over the maximum, that's the way.

IIRC, both of these can be found adventuring, if you are persistent enough.

Yeah, you can get the katana for free from one of chests. Getting the armor for free is trickier though (I won't spoil it), and you're probably better off just buying it yourself so you can use it earlier on. By the time you can get it, you'll probably be rolling in cash anyways.

And the defeating the war god is pretty much the crowning achievement of a fighter/mage, so don't be surprised if you don't beat him right away. Just remember that defense>>>>offense , and make note of what kind of attack he uses, then train accordingly. Once you do manage to beat him though, you'll wonder how he ever gave you any trouble in the first place ("Your silk armor softens the blow! Sylvia takes 1 damage!" XD)

If any at all. If she's trained competently and her defense is high she'll often just avoid his blows and he hits her only rarely. Of course, she still needs to have good constitution when he does hit her, so working at that farmer is a must.

Just what are you discussing, guys? Beating that wargod is extremely simple in fact. Becoming Archbishop without cheats is much more difficult :tai:

Extremely simple once you know how. Before that he'll beat craps out of you and you hit him maybe one time without much effect. Unless you're such a type who knows everything from the beginning on and creates a gozu elite super fighting machine of a daughter.

And frankly, that'd be boring as hell.

And to be honest, I really don't see how Archibishop is all that complicated.

How do I get my relationship with Cube up? I've tried working with him... or is it just random? (I want Devat and him to get hitched)

Why can my daughter marry ME?!? :blink:

And why does there have to be a weight limit on the expensive dresses; I just blew 5k on them.

Well, I've been playing this game for like 1,5 years now and whenever I try to make my daughter an Archbishop (following all the requirements and stuff) - she ALWAYS ends up becoming a NUN.

I managed to acquire all other endings and, probably, all grades of success (yes, I'm that much freak) of them, so that's a huge issue for me... :angry: :angry: :angry:

Hmmm. Ways to get your relationship up with Cube:

When you're defeated on adventures (especially by bandits), and Cube comes rescue you, the relationship goes up. Also, when you're out on adventure, if you have Cube bring you weapons, the score goes up a little bit. If Cube takes care of your daughter when she's sick, the relationship goes up. There may be other ways to make her close to Cube, but I'm really not sure what.

I have NO idea how to make her marry you. I've played the game a couple times through, and ended with a 100 relationship... and all the time when I'd talk to her she'd be all, "I want to marry you!" but then she'd marry a knight or wizard or whatever.

As far as the weight thing... that's just... I don't know. A cultural thing? She'll fit in the dresses eventually if you give her the ancient milk, one of the slimmer diets, and take her to the beach in the summer.

Sometimes it's fun to see how thin you can get her. I got her to 57lbs once. Heh.

Well... ur relationship has to be 100% AND u've got to nurse her through illness (that's when there is "rest" and u stay at home) at least ONCE. Plus any other special marryings (except marrying Cube I think) are considered to be a better outcome, so ur daughter has to be on bad terms with prince and dat pesky lil' drako.

That's fairly easy too... Now, can anybody finally tell me how to make my daughter Archbishop??? :angel: Please...

> Well, I've been playing this game for like 1,5 years now and whenever I try to make my daughter an Archbishop (following all the requirements and stuff) - she ALWAYS ends up becoming a NUN.

Ahh... so it's one of those profession. I don't really bother getting any specific profession where a few points of stats can make a difference, so I wouldn't know. FAQ I have here says Nun should have 100 INT more than the archbishop (300 INT), but then, I'm not sure how reliable this FAQ is...

About weigh go to sea in summer.

I dont think that beign defeated by bandits has something with up the relation with Cube. It looks like she get raped and got some charisma in return.

To marry your daugther, spoil the relation with the prince and some sin could be of use.

Archbishop:
Intel = 300
Moral = 400
Faith = 500
Fighter Rep = 419
Mage Rep = 410
Social Rep = 400
HouseW Rep = 390

Wacht out the Fighter Rep and HouseW Rep. There problem of getting an especific ending its the fact that a lite more points earned by mistake can, for example, change your queen proyect into a writer cuz high intel

It's possible you're spending too much time working at the Church. I'm not sure about this but spending too much time working at one job seems to cause your character to get stuck with that career even if stats indicate she should be able to get a much better profession.

I'd maybe split my time between Church and Tutor to get the Morality points then take Theology classes to get the Faith and and Intel up.

(Urr... scratch that last paragraph. I somehow sent it before I was done typing...)

If you haven't already, try to avoid working at the church as much as possible and have your character Tutor instead to attain the necessary Morality points. Faith is easily gained through Theology anyways, so between Blood Type A and Tutoring, you should be able to avoid working at the Church entirely.

Just finished the game for the first time and my daughter became a stinking thug. A no good father hating thug holding a club in an inapropriate manner. Fun as hell though.
Its just a shame getting money is such a hassle. I don't want to cheat but I only got to the end of the last game cause my girl was so good at lumberjacking and farming. I was hoping she would be something cool when the fortune teller said she would be a villain but nope - just a foul smelling thug.
Well, time to go try again!

The key is that only 8 skills serve to set the ending. The other key its that an hero doesnt do nothing.

It's because her housework reputation is too high. avoid housework, working at the inn/restaurant and don't participate in the cooking festival. if her housework rep gets too high you will get this ending a lot.

Also it seems like if you don't find something for her to excel in she will get this ending...if she's too well-rounded she often gets housewife, writer, or divorcee.

Balance is the answer. Make her do some adventuring or similar besides the studying and feeding. And you can put her on diet, so she can take down on weight again. [/b][/quote]
The best way to make her lose weight is to take her on summer vacations (june, july, august) to the beach. She will loose about 3 pounds on each one, and you can do up to 9 a year (3 per month). vacationing also builds her relationship with you.

To keep her form running away, keep her stress at 0 by ending each month with free-time. if she runs away, reload to the previous month (because I know you're smart enough to save EVERY month. :max: ) and try changing the order of her schedule. like instead of work...school...play, do school..work..play or play...school...vacation. She will not runaway on vacation...so sometimes replacing her free-time at the end of the month with vacation will do the trick.

Hi there....I am yet another obsessed fan...I run the Princess Maker fanart club on Deviantart as bloodollie. http://princessmaker-club.deviantart.com/

If any of you are deviants, you should join.

Anyhow...not the point. I just finished writing and then retesting a walk-through for the Bondage Queen ending. I had a lot of trouble with this one for a while...although a lot of other people did not. I thought I'd share it anyhow. It's worth noting that you can follow this guide to become the princess of darkness as well...just keep your refinement under 200 and your fighting rep above 300.


So...if anyone is interested it is here:
http://www.geocities.com/ms_rissy/BondageQueen.doc

or if you need plain text:
http://www.geocities.com/ms_rissy/BondageQueen.txt

these are free to use, make fun of, give to others...whatever.


I saw that some people were having trouble with the archbishop ending..so I think I'll have to figure it out, and maybe write a guide to that as well. If I can.

Thank-you!
Ms. Rissy

To keep her form running away, keep her stress at 0 by ending each month with free-time. if she runs away, reload to the previous month (because I know you're smart enough to save EVERY month. :max: ) and try changing the order of her schedule. like instead of work...school...play, do school..work..play or play...school...vacation. She will not runaway on vacation...so sometimes replacing her free-time at the end of the month with vacation will do the trick. [/b][/quote]
Good advice, especially the saving every month. Generally I save every month, but if there's a month where I'm not sure I'm going to like the results, I switch slots, and then if everything turns out fine, I go back to the original. And then at the end of the year, I go to the next slot, so I have a save slot for each year. :)

But... I've heard, and it seems to correlate, that if sensitivity is very high, and morals aren't that high, she's more likely to run away.

Also... while giving free-time at the very end of the month gets her stress down, I belive it lowers your daughter's relationship with you. So if you care about your relationship with your daughter, try to opt for vacations at the end of the month rather than straight freetime.

It's because her housework reputation is too high. avoid housework, working at the inn/restaurant and don't participate in the cooking festival. if her housework rep gets too high you will get this ending a lot.

Also it seems like if you don't find something for her to excel in she will get this ending...if she's too well-rounded she often gets housewife, writer, or divorcee. [/b][/quote]
Thing is, you also need some well-rounded rep to be a Grand Poobah. Also, if you specialize too far in, say, combat or magic, you may not get the best endings because the good endings require rep in all areas to a greater or lesser extent.

I checked this one. Rather untrue. Deliquency does play a part, morals and sensitivety - nah.

I believe that the amount of her "running away"'s depends, first and foremost, on the continuity of the work she takes. If, for example, she worked at farm for a couple of years and then u switch her to tutoring, she'll definetly run away! Probably to that pervert Bangor :twisted:

I checked this one. Rather untrue. Deliquency does play a part, morals and sensitivety - nah.

I believe that the amount of her "running away"'s depends, first and foremost, on the continuity of the work she takes. If, for example, she worked at farm for a couple of years and then u switch her to tutoring, she'll definetly run away! Probably to that pervert Bangor :twisted: [/b][/quote]
Mmmm. Stupid runaway girls. I don't remember where I heard the moral/sensitivity thing; I just know that my AB-blood, October born, sensitivity-a-bustin-out-all-over-the-place girls, who, despite being well behaved (though, moral free until around their 17th year), would break for it constantly, while my nice, dull as dirt, A-blooded, moral pinnacles would stay at home and do whatever I told them. There were probably other factors that made them runaway, but the sensitivity/morals thing just happened to fit my particular daughters.


Now... on a completely different subject... I think I've looked quite a few pages back, but I'll ask again becuase I don't remember anything conclusive... how do you get the girl to marry the father? I can never seem to swing it, despite a 100 relationship. :P

Also spoiling relations with the prince(this is easy) and Cuve(this is hard). Maybe u need some sin. But what determine the merriage?... to Lucifer (bad ending), to dragon (event), Prince or Cube (relation). Maybe i am missing something.

Well, when I'm trying for the father ending, I never visit the prince or the dragon, and my relationship in the attempts were much higher than those with Cube. So that wasn't it. Is sin the key? Hahaha... that would explain why my 999 faith, 999 morals girl didn't cut it...

No, sin isn't it.
I got a father ending once... From what I remember you need to have her maternity points up a lot (she gets those by working in a daycare or as a tutor). You mustn't visit the prince at least twice. Cube is no problem. You should take her to hollidays quite often.
You'll realize she loves you when she'll turn down other suitors, because she want's to be with her father.

Eh... Here we go again:

all u need is to have ur father-daughter relations = 95+. AND to nurse her through illness AT LEAST ONCE. Does the trick every time...

Dunno nothing 'bout morality and faith. Guess it isn't important

I finally managed to achieve ArchBishop ending (all three of them, actually). Boy, am I happy or what...

On my eternal quest to see every little bit this game has to offer, I now am trying to make Fay present my daughter ring of infinite magic (lousy stupid artificat, to my mind) and Domovoi (helluva funny they took this name from Russian language) give my daughter da Perfect Flour.

:cry: I believe that when I succeed in this task that would mean I have seen EVERY single ending with EVERY grade of success and obtained EVERY single item. Which also means I'll have to erase PM2 from both my computer and memory. :cry: :cry: :cry: :hairpull: :hairpull: :hairpull:

The sad thing is that there are loads more of Princess Maker games... but this is the only one translated *sigh* and btw hi everyone (bad time for introductions I know, bu i jus wanted to do it XD)

Ahhh... there's my problem... my daugther never get's sick. I guess it's the diet meal for the girl in the first couple of months. :P

Now... I heard that your daughter can't be that extraordinary... can't be a good fighter or whatever. Is that bunk? Can she be anything (minus social endings) and still marry dad?

Thanks for the info, regardless.

Now that's one very FUNNY part but, nonetheless, very much thought upon.

The limitations that make ur daughter "unmarriable" to father
are as follows:

1. ANY social ending (countess, concubine, e.t.c)
2. "religious" endings (Nun and Archbishop)
3. "far and away" endings (mercenary, for instance)
4. "darkside" endings (bandit and so on)
5. Warrior Hero ending kills the daughter-father marriage event, but the Magic Hero ending does not. I can't really understand why but I rechecked this 3 times.

As for PM3, PM4 and others, I actually AM studying Japaneese at the moment with the sole purpose to be able to play them. Sad story... :tai:

Some foes have magic resistance and it's better to hit them with ordinary attack.
Adventuring is also a much better way to get money than jobs. Just as a sidenote. :)

mmmmmmm, i am sure that when she is strong enough only got money for the hardest creeps. Skeleton knights give alwayas a good sum. Better to got a cought un- cof decent job for make money.

Sorry, I'm new with this game. My daughter is a skilled magician.
But she just has 5 Mana. :blink: Does somebody know how to raise it?

Mana? In Princess Maker? As far as I know, you have magical skill, attack and defence. You can practise those in Magic School.

And then there's mana, yes. You spend it to cast spells.

Though I don't think it was called Mana, maybe it was MP.

Try raising your intelligence. I think MP corresponds directly to Intelligence, just as HP corresponds to constitution.

No. HP is Constitution, MP is Intelligence.

Agree on HP but i am sure that magic lessons give you some MP well now 80% sure.

No, they don't, any more than Fighting class improves HP. MP is straight-equal to Int.

Alright, I've read them all. And after reading them all, I, the Magekind, am going to die.

Yes, that's right. When I am finished with this post, what's-'is, 5th Hossman's-a gonna kill me.

Because I'm going to start out with everybody's favorite: How do I download the game?
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Roit. So now we've done some random klikking, we've found - Oh, my patron deity, a .ZIP file called PM2! Agh! Someone get some blood pressure meds. I'm gonna pop.

Yesh.

Now, we have PM2. Now I can't get it to run. We are not going to state the fact that it ran excellently under WinXP, because like all other nOObs, I don't know what an executable file is, remember? I just use .lnk files. Oh, right. They don't know what those are either. Desktop icons. There. Now we're speaking the same language. Almost. I need to work on misspelling things though.

Okay, so I guess I need to find the executable file. That works. It says something like "PM2" on it. and it just shows this window-thingy.

But that's not good enough. I have to get DOSBox. How do I do that, after I've been using it to play OMF2097 for hours on end, in an effort to write a fanfic about OMF? Oh, right, I get it. You have to, like... run the program or something. Yyyeeaahh....

So, we're DOSBoxing happily. A left hook, a quick right jab, step back and come in for... what? Oh, right. "Mount c [your-directory-list-in-eight-letter-steps-here]"

I think I get that. Okay, so now we're playing PM2, and I CHEATED. Sue me. I shouldn't have. I regret it thoroughly. Venus didn't like it anyway. Meh, who cares about the goddess of love? Not me, that's for sure. I've got a fairly good Magic Performer who married an intelligent wizard. Now we play for reals.

A little about myself. I hate simulations. I can't drive, I can't play football, soccer, whatever-it-was-you-were-going-to-suggest-ball. I used to play C&C, but I've lost my taste for that. Now we play Red Faction, UT, Soldier of Fortune, and the like. We also play Tekken and OMF. OMF because it's so freakin' awesome.

Back to PM2. I'm a twisted weirdo. Not a sicko, I like to think I'm fairly normal that way. I tend to play as females when I have the option, but partly because all the gamers around here are guys and nine out of eight of them are playing male characters; so I be different. I also like to be in the action, not pointing-and-clicking the action. So when I downloaded PM2... it might have been the dirty old man thing. But not quite in that way. ...

All in all I'm very pleased with the Game. I regret how Aueniteri(there's a mouthful for you!) turned out, but I swear I will do better with Niamh, who's a fighter by nature. Let's see you get that girl into "high society".

Also, anybody here do anime? Apparently, GAINAX is also the publishers of Petite Princess Yucie, so all you who're dying to play the other games, satisfy yourself by renting the anime DVDs. And please, oh please do not start asking where to get them. I am not going to say "Netflix" once. Okay, maybe not more than once.

get the hell out

Also, I laugh at all the internet scum so eagerly trying to play this game, obviously because they heard about the cheat where you can get the girl naked. Of course, they're going to keep her at 10.

This is for all the people having problems with the "Unable to locate file LIBINDEX.DIR" system error.

I'm only using win98se so don't ask me about XP or DOSBOX or anything like that.

Go to what ever file you extracted the game files to, look for some things named Pm2 (there are more than one), right click and go to Properties and find the one that is

Type: Shortcut to MS-DOS program
MS-DOS name: PM2.PIF

If it helps, for me it had the icon of the paper with the win symbol on it and in the lower left it has the square with the arrow just like with the shortcuts on your desktop.

anyway... when you've found it go to the Program tab and change the Cmd line: to where ever you have PM2.EXE

For example: Cmd line: C:\somefilename\pm2\PM2.EXE

Now click the "Advanced..." button, uncheck the "MS-DOS mode" box.

Click OK, Apply or OK or whatever else and whoop-de-fricken'-doo, now that icon is your shortcut to play Princess Maker 2 in windoze although without sound. Now raise your digi-pet-daughter and please, for the sake of the greater good, don't have real children.

Joo har velkomm.

Personally, I find the game to be much more interesting without the cheat, as was proved with Niamh. She ended up as a martial arts instructor, who failed because of her inability to communicate with others. I will also note that she made a horrid mother, but an excellent wife. It's the statistics they don't show you that will matter the most in the end.

She was a powerful warrioress, fairly intelligent, but it's practically impossible to keep both refinement and strength at high levels. The same goes for constitution and charisma, although later in the game that works itself out. (Intentionally fails to say "Dance Classes" out loud.)

I found the fairies in the lake, but haven't found them in the forest. Any tips?

Also, sound(music) hasn't yet worked for me, any way I go about it. I have yet to try D-Fend, so if that works for me, I'll get back with you. If it doesn't... it isn't your problem anyway.

faireis in forest: under the clock and under the medium tree of the area with the banner about dragons. You need to be sensitive to see them. In the forest is also an elf under in the big tree and a bandit inside the circle of rocks near the exit area.

Constitution can be earned by a robust diet or you can get 50 for each egg. Refinement comes from protocol lessons. Also Lucifer in the desert map can change some faith for anything that you need. :ok:

Have you tried the game's own sound configuration? That's the usual problem, since many people (sometimes even those who should know better about it) forget that setting the emulated soundcard in DosBox does not automatically set it for the games.
First, I'd suggest you try and change the soundcard emulation to Sound Blaster Pro 2 (from the default Sound Blaster 16).
Second, run the game's setup program (it's a separate executable in the game directory) and configure it to use Sound Blaster, IRQ 5 DMA 1 220 h.
Has that worked?

Oh, and as for Constitution, IIRC it can be raised by some of the jobs... farm and lumbering, I think. Don't remember clearly, since it's been a year and a half since I last played the game.

Well I can't say I didn;t enjoy this game, it really is time-devouring and most important thing, replayalable. I like replayable games... But I still don;t know how to raise communication.

You can raise by working in the bar i think.

Whats up people. Ive played this game quite a few times and for some reason the first time i played i managed to get her to become queen everytime after that no dice LOL

Anyhow as for her marrying her father or youself which ever you prefer alot of people consider it sick (trust me im not all for the idea myself) but if you think about it they arent related in any way other then one of the goddess'/gods saying "Here take this kid"

As for one of my favorite endings would have to be the first one i had when she become queen and then she didnt get married because no body shared her beliefs or something of that nature.....not a very long monarcy eh? ^_^

That's cool!
My first daughter became a street performer. I diden't know why she became a street performer bacause she had 100 in all magic skils so I tried again. The second one was a stret magician. A little improovment.
Then I found out that she also needs reputation.
My third one bacame a good general and maried the prince.
The last one became court magician and maried Dragonboy.

I found this translations of Princess Maker 1, in English and in Spanish.

http://www.generation-msx.nl/msxdb/softwar...6lr%3D%26sa%3DG

Rare thing, it looks pretty similar to Pm2 just as Uncharted Watter 1 and 2. Same Game but modernized inferface and graphics.

Well since I rarely ever get a chnace to play anything, I still like it but I always end up a writer! :)

I just have a question about the patch: what does it mean it;s an uncensor patch? Was the game censored?

I sense a possible addition to Abandonia. Will investigate - thank you for providing the information.

:huh: Not that I am aware of.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ May 26 2006, 03:15 PM) [snapback]232415[/snapback]</div>I wonder whether it's actually obtainable somewhere. It would be great if it could be posted up here. I've been looking around myself, but all I came up with was on p2p and those are probably asian versions. Such a pity they didn;t release it in English. It;s a very absorbing game.A guaranteed time killer. Up till now I have managed to turn her into an artist, a princess writer, a princess general, "a woman of light manners", an adventurer and a martial arts teacher (not quite succesful because of low conversational skills).

Well, I just decided to pop in here and ask a question, just to see if anyone could be of help, as this isn't a popular game and it's extremely difficult to find good help for it...

Is it possible for the daughter to become a Ruling Queen and marry the butler/ father/ dragon youth? I've tried it a numerous amount of times, but in the end, she never gets married at all. >.< Her morals are high and she has a relationship with the chosen person of 100. It's making me rip my hair out!

Hahahah very fun game!My first daughter became a martial arts teacher, but she was unsuccesful cuz she wasn´t very communicative; she married an intelligent knight and wans´t a good mother, again cuz she didn´t had enough skill... :whistling: ...not sooooo bad, considering that it was my first time playing :wallbash: ...

This game is really semi-hentai game, but there´s nothing to worry about this, kids...I guess... :sneaky:

Anyway, does anyone knows if the undress item you can buy at Mad Eddy´s have any use???That´s very cruel, leaving the poor girl with no clothes..... :angry:

Gosh, I'm addicted!! Have played this game 3 times so far and got, in order: a soldier who became captain of forest patrol, married to a wizard; second one went into domestic training and married a wizard (hmm I can't really remember who she married), and last one became a royal concubine! I forgot to visit the prince a few times, and I do wonder now if I'd visited him every single time she'd have married him instead. The dragon youth and some older fella did come proposing but I sent them all away. She kept saying she wanted to marry me though. :P

Played the last one using the cheat, though, cos' I was finding it really hard to earn money to raise her stats. With an infinite resource of cash, I was able to max out most of her stats. Or at least those associated with dancing, magic and combat.

I spent a really long time completing my third game though, because, yes, I think it was the cheat - my game hung 3 times! And I'd had to start all over again because I'd forgotten to save. Urgh. And I tried playing with a B blood type girl but she was so unstable (being a Gemini as well and having high sensitivity to start with), she kept running away! Even IF I brought her on vacations and let her go out to town with money and all that. Infuriating. Anyway, I kept the birthdate but changed her blood type to O and I didn't have such problems anymore.

One good tip I learnt with regard to using the cheat - get all the items and money you need from Mad Eddy first, save, and then start the game without using the cheat again. This way, the buggy cheat doesn't affect you and you still get everything you need!

I didn't realise that it was the perfume that brought all those proposals though!

And I like to keep my girl decently dressed, because I find it's quite disturbing to put her in those skimy outfits (or naked!)! I always seem to get girls who want to be taller/have bigger boobs/have a nicer figure. LOL.

Greetings! I just love this site and the games it offers, esp. PM2.

My question regards the few gaps in the endings. I'm wondering if there is ANY way to fix those. It seems that some .txt files are missing but the question is how to add them to the compressed Data. I am already desperate that every fan-translation of the other PM games usually stops in its tracks (Except the PM1 one) but I wonder, if huge Morrowind Mods can be created and translated etc. etc. why not PM? Any thoughts?

:kosta: :kosta: :kosta:

Elisabetta

I have two questions:

1. Is there supposed to be sound? How do I get it?

2. Is there any way to make the game non-full screen? The text is cut off...

Are you running the game through Dosbox, or directly in Windows?

1. Using the default sound settings in Dosbox I got sound (though every few minutes there would be a minor glitch).
2. As for the non-full screen setting: this can also be done by using Dosbox though I don't remember the command or hotkey from the top of my head, I hope someone else will remember :)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PrincessCube @ Aug 30 2006, 05:05 PM) [snapback]251897[/snapback]</div>

Use DosBox.
You can download it here.

If you have any problems with it, try having a look at the official FAQ on the DosBox site.
Basic Setup and Installation
Command Line
Z instead of C at the command prompt
Internal Programs (important, especially MOUNT)
Most of the stuff in there is not really needed, but you would do best to familiarize yourself with the specific topics I linked to.
The mounting of your DosBox games directory, switching the promt to the emulated C: drive and clearing the screen from previous commands can all be executed from the [autoexec] section of dosbox.conf, so you won't have to re-type them every time round.
Frontend programs can help running DosBox with varying configurations for different games.

Use DosBox, it can be ran in a window - but also you can adjust the fullscreen mode to suit your preferences. For this purpose, enter dosbox conf and set the following: fullscreen=true, fullfixed=true, fullresolution=640x480.

Screenshots? I've edited the PM2.CNF file with the Camera=1 $ Press F5 thing, but I have no idea how to convert the files to normal .jpgs. They are all .B1, .G1, or .R1, which are filetypes I know nothing about. Dur?

I suppose I'll try to DosBox thinger so that the game isn't full screen and so I can click over to my graphics editor...But I still want to know if there's a way to convert the other file types, just for the sake of knowing...

:( Alas..

Not sure, but you might try opening them with GIMP.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(guest @ May 26 2006, 02:16 PM) [snapback]232397[/snapback]</div>Yes. In the original version multiple in-game graphics show your daughter naked. Many sommer vacation pictures for example. These pictures were censored for the Western marked.

Does anyone know why the game is suddenly ESA protected? Does it mean there's a chance of coming to America?

More likely is that we have been requested to remove the download by copyright holders. C'est la vie.

I just have a question about the patch: what does it mean it;s an uncensor patch? Was the game censored

There's also an attempted rape scene in the game iirc, you can access it by adventuring and fighting a reputable bandit... losing results in the scene. It's pretty good because Cube wails on everyone and saves her behind...

Once again, Gamefaqs has all the details and information regarding the game should you require more knowledge of everything that you can access. Personally I never adventure, until late in the game if at all...

where can you downloadthis?

Do yourself a favor - read the information that the "ESA:NO-GO" icon links to. You'll find it very enlightening, especially the following sentence:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Sep 17 2006, 06:52 PM) [snapback]255629[/snapback]</div>Yes. In the original version multiple in-game graphics show your daughter naked. Many sommer vacation pictures for example. These pictures were censored for the Western marked.
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Ah that explains a lot, thank you both. I never adenture until later on either.

OK how do you donwload :sos: it i can not figure it out and it sounds really good :brain: :sos:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Dec 1 2006, 03:03 AM) [snapback]269581[/snapback]</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Oct 23 2006, 03:24 PM) [snapback]263090[/snapback]</div>

Is it wrong to attempt to raise the most anti-social and undesirable princess possible?

I've never been a fan of princesses :D

You could have her become a bandit, a crimelord... or the Queen of Darkness.

And for some dirty jobs: Prostitute (either street one or high class one) & bondage queen.

I like it! I reckon my brat should be shooting for something around a Dark Queen of Bondage :ok:

Queen of Darkness is supposed to be pretty demanding in terms of just how evil she needs to be.

Oh, I almost forgot: You can also marry Lucifer, the prince of darkness, if youre beatifull and sinful enough.

Getting evil is no problem. Each monster you kill when adventuring increases your sin which will keep you away from goody-goody endings.

Hi; Just a quick question, I feel like a bit of an idiot

When I go to equip my whelp with armor/weapons/clothes/ect, I can't then get out of that menu. Very annoying. Any hot keys I'm not getting, or am I just an idiot? :sos:

Thanks a bunch in advance!

Push the right mouse button.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheChosen @ Dec 5 2006, 07:27 AM) [snapback]270334[/snapback]</div>
:thanx:

>_> no, I'm not blond...

Heh, in a more related note, this is by far one of the more interesting and engrossing games I've played in a while. Cheers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle of Fire @ Oct 9 2004, 04:44 AM) [snapback]16587[/snapback]</div>ehem, you don't expect that computer could read your mind, so fortune teller could tell you what she's gonna be, do you? :blink: . :hammer: you.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Dec 1 2006, 06:26 PM) [snapback]269677[/snapback]</div>if i were bad (sin about 500) i would beat up cube!
that would be fantastic :titan: ...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jareth_chong @ Feb 10 2005, 10:31 PM) [snapback]64661[/snapback]</div>here's the requirements (remember, the less the stress the better):
housework: nothing
church: strengh*
babysitting: strengh
restoraunt: cooking skill
inn: sensitivity
farm: strengh, constitution
lumberjack:**
salon: art
masonry: constitution, strengh
tutor: intelligence, morals
inn:**
graveyard: no sensitivity, fighter and/or magic reputation
sleazy bar: charisma*
cabaret:**
adventure: fighting and/or magic reputation, good weapon and armor

adventure is best way, otherwise start doing salon or masonry and if you're lucky, work at graveyard, if grave robber's come's and you beat them, you could get about 2300$.

requirement's for harvest festival:
fighting contest: fighting and/or magic reputation
art festival: picture (could be drawn at art lesson's) with much art
cooking festival: cooking skill, sensitivity
dance contest:** go to dance lessons to win dance contest

legend: ** i don't know, * i'm not sure.

After Haveing this game for just under a year, i have gotten every ending, and marriage, I have beaten PM2, there is nothing left for me in it. So I downloded PM1 and PM: LAW, and beat those too, but i cant find a patch for PM3 for an English Translation, and I must beat PM3 before PM4 nad 5. does someone know where i can get one? I have PM3, but I cant read it.

thanks

What if no such patch exists?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Jan 22 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]275985[/snapback]</div>Then I will cry.

I am honestly addicted to PM2. I can finish it in about three or four hours of nonstop play - I haven't been keeping track of the endings I've achieved, but I do remember that my 'daughter' has ended up as a knight, a prostitute, a dancer, a nun, and a bandit. She's also married the prince at least once. It's definitely a good way to waste a few hours.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Solid_Gopher @ Jan 21 2007, 05:59 AM) [snapback]275843[/snapback]</div>You said you downloaded PM1 and PM3?!?
Where did you find them I've been looking forever!! :hairpull:

ok i feel like an idiot but how do u install the game theres like no installer with the zip file i got o.o did it get deleted from the site?? please help i want to play this game it sounds really good. thanks a bunch

Then just play it. There's no need to install it.

Most of the games on Abandonia do not require installing. They may need configuring to suit your system, though.

Remember to use DosBox to run theis game (you need to use it in order to have sound). You can download it here.

I love this game! The whole concept of it; how you can make a character learn skills and such. I downloaded it a couple years ago, and when I saw that new game Cute Knight, a game really similar to this that you must pay for, I had to download this game again!
Are there really places to download PM and PM...Law? O.o Eek! I want to know where you download these too :(.

Oops, forgot another thing. "If you liked this game, check out Barbie-Supermodel"?!? I had that Barbie game for Sega when I was 9-10 years old. I don't think it's like this game...hm. Aren't there any other games more similar to PM?

I cant find a download for this anymore im so pissed
:wallbash:

So?
We can't give you one, don't even bother asking about it.

I was wondering... If my daughters morals are low enough, she can be asked by some guy to go for dinner, and for some reason it seems this is a negative thing. However, if she does, she falls in love. Now I can't imagine why it's a bad thing my daughter is in love. I was happy for her!

Well i just got Princess Maker 5 for PC and i must say what a kickass game :brain:
A LOT more options then in Part 4 which felt more then a "Princess Maker Light" to me. And it takes a lot longer to finish a game since you now control every day of her life and even to a degree the hours each day !
Ive uploaded the Opening to Youtube if anyone is interested :max:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHqfas0Homw

I love this Song ^_^

Ah I love how they just throw random English on the beginning to taunt all us poor Americans who will never be able to play the game because they'll never translate it into English and sell it in the other countries. You are a lucky person being able to read Japanese...or being able to tolerate not understanding anything the game says. :) They just need to understand that there really is a good market over here for those kinds of games now.

Nuh-uh. The US and EU publisers need to understand that there is a point in translating those games into English.

Exactly, and if they realized the potential for profit I'd like to think that at least their greedy sides would get that translating done. I know I would definitely shell out the cash for these types of games.

I know I would definitely shell out some for later titles in Power Dolls series (only the first game was translated into english... and there are eight sequels that weren't).

But there is little we can do to convince the publishers.
I guess it's time for me to pick up some books on learning Japanese. :P

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(the_fifth_horseman @ Mar 14 2007, 01:56 PM) [snapback]283545[/snapback]</div>Now there's an idea. I've always wanted to learn Japanese anyway and there's a good reason to get started. :)

i try to bad ending...and then what...
1-she become bondage queen
2-high society prostute
3-misstress of a old man
4-kill lucifon and become princess of dark side
and the most interesting one
5- marriage with lucifon geeheehee:D very funny game...
i suggest u hold keys F12 R N Q then go town...

So i need to learn japanese. It isnt just another language, its another alphabet. Plus when we study frech, italian, romanian or even german, there are points in common, similar sintaxis and grammar. So in few months with a good dictionary and some dedication you can be reading any of them. But jap is just too different, its like the senseless writting of a 4 ages kid.

Ok, here is my question. I heard that you can become someone's mistress while she's still under 18 and he'll pay her every month for her "services." I thought this would be fun, so I put my girl with already 800+ Charisma in the sleazy bars and cabaret when she was 16. By the time she became 17, yes, she became someone's mistress.
Then, in May of her last year (Her birthday was in October, so 7 months before she grew up), after working in the cabaret, some young guy approached her and asked if she wanted to go to dinner. She said yes, and it said they went off together or something, and then... you know those little icons that have like, her weapon, her armor, if she's sick and if she's delinquent? There's one more, and it's on the far right, and after she went to dinner with this guy, it turned into a heart and said "love."
This icon stayed until the start of September (her second to last month).
I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else, getting the little heart.
And also, if it has, has it lasted anyone to the day where she did grow up, and if so, does it affect her marraige at all?

All right. I've babbled long enough, me thinks. :) Hope I answered someone's question, and maybe someone has an answer for one of my own. :)


-Auri
[/quote]
i used mad eddy's cheat and achieved love rank, but, i got bored so i didn't finished it. oh yes i got bored right AFTER she became mistress, so i don't know if she was paid or not :whistling: . well, bye ^_^

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(geehehe @ Apr 7 2007, 11:22 PM) [snapback]286424[/snapback]</div>??? Nothing seems to happen. Could you explain what you had in mind?

You edited the file?

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Someone will start the translation of other PM titles and/or PD?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(laiocfar @ Jul 16 2007, 06:04 AM) [snapback]299590[/snapback]</div>Quite some time ago it seems (when I started experimenting with different ending I haven't had the patience anymore to play out the whole game to see). So that key combination allowes you to go visit Mad Eddy - thanks laiocfar.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(laiocfar @ Jul 16 2007, 06:04 AM) [snapback]299590[/snapback]</div>Try and convince some publisher to do it. <_<

You convince the publisher and i share credits and earning with you

OK, but we also share the resulting eternal damnation. LOL

i was just browsing the internet looking for something to do and i found this 1,ive been hearing a lot about this game and would love to play it i already feel like i already did :w00t: but sadly i havent can anyone tell me where to download for free wich will be good or buy it?please i cant wait any longer i really wanna play it

You cannot get links to downloads here. The game is protected, so any such links are big NOs.

Where to buy it? Have you tried Amazon or Ebay?

He won't find it there - the only version in existence is a leaked incomplete copy.
Which might be for download somewhere else, but I ain't telling nobody where.

So, I recently came across information that says one can turn on screen capture capabilities. Thing is, it does not write them to a common (or known by me) format.

I did use a hex editor and a webpage on the BMP format, to add a BMP header to the *A.B1, *A.G1, and *A.R1 files (the E1 files are mostly null with some non-null bytes strewn through out. No idea what kind of info might be in here.) The *B.?1 are all 7kb so too small to be a screenshot, and not sure what kind of info per channel it could be, yet.

Playing around with the height, width, and color depth bytes of the BMP header (and copying in a color table from a 8-bit grayscale BMP) has lead me to actually see an image. So I am confident that each file is just a raw dump with nothing extra (ie palette info, hieght, width info, etc.). I am guessing that this feature was just to help debug (?) and so the programmers knew what the palette was, what the size is (seems to be based on 320 by 200, but I'll get to that) etc so they just needed the raw data and their program took care of displaying it.

At 320 by 200, 4bit color (16 colors) I can see 2 side by side pics. Changing it to 160 by 400 makes it one image wide (but since the two lines are light and dark it looks interleaved) and has it look all squished (160 by 400 is too narrow and long looking). using Gimp to then scale to 320 by 200 makes it look nice. I suspect though, that each line is first the odd pixels then the even pixels (or vice versa) and the gimp's scaling was more of a lucky break (things getting blurred hiding the disrepencies). I might try, another time, just having gimp keep just the odd lines or even (at the 160 width) and play with that a bit. I been using the 320, 2 image side by side, to try to recompose the 3 bitmaps into a colored picture (instead of 3 greyscales that probably represent red, blue, and green) but the pictures don't look well colored (or just as nice in general as the in-game screens). I might need to play around with learning to program (Hmm, maybe I can find an old C++ compiler to run on dos-box) so I can try playing with that odd / even pixel idea to see if that helps resolution (basically a custom viewer where I can tweak on the fly height, width, non-sequential reading, etc). Also, I'll need to find or figure out the palette info for these files, maybe the main program has it built in, but that'll be alot of work. (Remember, that's 16 colors per channel, or 12bits total. Not exactly high-color but I don't thinkl there was very many 15/16 bit colors used in the early 90's. So, 4bit per channel instead of 8 probably does the job for storing a vga display. I think, not sure, that the game was 320 by 200, and maybe 256 colors? more? At best it would be 640 by 480 but that is too big for these files unless teh screen capture function lowered the resolution upon capture. Not like it's an official feature.)

Now, this is just an excersize for me, cause I find it a pleasing challenge to puzzle out. After all, Dos-box does have its own screen capture feature, so this is not really necessary if I really cared about getting a screen cap. I just notice people mentioning it's strange format and I wonder how much of it could be figured out with some plugging about. I was wondering if anyone else has looked into this and what you might have found. (Also, it's a pleasant diversion from using my hex editor to figure out how to hack the save games. Which is a fun puzzle in its own right.) But any helpful info would be nice. Color Tables, viewers, format specs, etc can be very useful.

I also wonder if anyone is working on things like Total Conversion (or at least having fun hacking the items, fashion, school, work, etc.) I know the LBX files are basically archives, and I can unpack them if I wanted, but the txt files are not ascii / plain text (must be in some format specific to the game, I'd try unicode but I don't know if it was around back then) and the pt1 files are confusing. I am guessing, regardless if it was a graphic, a music, or what, it all got called pt1 and the game engine knows which is which and how to read them, but I'm not going to go through all of them just to see if they could be image or sound raw data. Also, they could be compressed with RLE or LZW or something.) So, anyone else have luck figuring out how to work with all of that game data?

Thanks, and I hope none of this is too annoying to read.

Me again. Played around some more. The 'B' files are image data. I turned them into BMP and they fit nicely after the 'A' file (cutting and pasting in Paint), so the image is broken up into 2 A/B files (as well as the 4 B1/E1/G1/R1 files).

I use the Hex Editor to just paste the B onto the end of A and reset the height vaule to 240 and it comes out nice. The E1 files are also images (mostly black in my first test example) when I do the same to them. So the screen is broken into 4 parts, each 4 bits(?). Maybe its a hi-color (15/16bit) representation of the screen, and each file is suppose to be packed into it's repsective bits? No idea.

Hope my little experiments is amusing to you, hate to waste space here if no one is interested in the screen capture files this game makes. I might take a capture of a different screen to see if the E1 files are still mostly black ... could be a clue, like it represents the most significant values for 16 bit color data, maybe?

For the adventurous type, I'll paste below the BMP file header with the color table for 16 colors. The Red Green and Blue values are equal in the table so it makes gray. Once I figure out what the proper palette could be, I could change that later. Just stick the header up front, then the content of the A file then the B file for each B1, E1, G1, R1. That is for XX00000A.B1 and XX00000B.B1 you need to make 1 file with a bmp header and the 2 concatenated. Repeat for XX00000A.G1, XX00000B.G1, etc etc until all of the XX00000? are processed. Also, BMP are funny in that the image is stored upside down in it normally, so a right side up image like this one will display upside down. Just flip it in an image editor or photo editing program. Also, you should get 2 side by side images. I suspect the even and odd fields for each line are seperate adn non-sequential (ie all odd pixels for the line, followed by all the even pixels). Anyone know of a common graphic format that does this?

I still wonder how the 4 files encode the color information. Any ideas?

Okay, here's the hex code for displaying the A + B raw data as a grayscale bmp. This needs to be the very first thing in your file (as far as I know). (If you don't put the B after the A, then change the first F0 into C8 to display the A file alone or 28 to display the B file alone.) If this seems confusing, just play around with it. Also note, this is displayed Little Endian, so you should have your hex editor in little endian mode.

42 4D 30 9A 00 00 00 00 00 00 76 00 00 00 28 00
00 00 40 01 00 00 F0 00 00 00 01 00 04 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 11 11 11 00 22 22
22 00 33 33 33 00 44 44 44 00 55 55 55 00 66 66
66 00 77 77 77 00 88 88 88 00 99 99 99 00 AA AA
AA 00 BB BB BB 00 CC CC CC 00 DD DD DD 00 EE EE
EE 00 FF FF FF 00

Ahh, tired of me yet? I recently examineded a screen capture from Dos-Box (Ctrl-F5). It was 640 by 480 and 16 colors. The data in each of the files (When A and B are chained together) is enough for 640 by 480 at 1bit color depth. The 4 files would be enough to reconstitute 16 colors if 1bit from each are used to make the 4bits for the 16 colors (in other words, 4 bitplanes of data.) Maybe you all knew that already. Also, from looking at the dos-box screen capture, I know what the 16 diffferent colors are, now.

So, I guess all that is left is for me to learn enough c programing to make a little utility to reshuffle the bits back together again, and write a more common image file. It would be nice to know which bits originally went where, and the original ordering of the colors, but since combining them in any fashion will make 16 unique numbers, I just might at first make a greyscale version. Then comparing to an identical dos-box capture, figure out which number should be which color and make a color table that works. (in other words, being willing enough to make a new color map, I should not be hindered by not knowing any original details. Doing one thing with one (which bit where) is offset by compensating with another (changing the colormap)). Figureing that out, will be easy. Writing a program to automate the process, well I don't know if I can. But I am willing to share what I find. I'm thinking of using EBGR as the order of bits in the nibble (most significant bit being E). Right now, all I'm going to do is change the bmp header to make it 640 by 480 by 1bit, and have the 2 colors in the colortable be black (00 00 00) and some kind of grey (for the R file (10 10 10), G(20 20 20), B(40 40 40), and E(80 80 80)) so that I can use gimp to put them all as layers in an RGB mode image with addition (all layers add up). Then convert that image to 16 color indexed, and save as a bmp, just to see what kind of image I get, and have something to try to map the 16 colors to. Probably will work, but I don't think its what most people want to do by hand each time they take a screen capture (though dos-box has a nice screen capture so this is all moot anyways, but a fun project.)

Anyone try to figure out how to access the data files, like the music, to play with? Not unlike how people like to edit their Quake data and change things up in the game.

Ok, I tried that. I made the E layer most significant (bits were either 0 or 80). Then G (40), R(20), and finally B(10) was least significant.

I opened all 4 bitmaps in GIMP. I made a new image, 640 x 480 and RGB mode. I made new layers, so I had 4 in total. All were set to addition (instead of normal). I copy and pasted each bmp image into the new window. I flattened the image, and then saved it as a 16 color bitmap.

Then a long story in a nutshell, colors from a dos-box screenshot was extracted, applied to the greyscale image, and rearranged as neccesary. The new pallet, when applied to the image, works great and I get the original screen back. Next, I just need to figure out a way (got some ideas) and write a C program to automate this. Take the 4 bitplanes (EGRB order most significant first), convert into chunks and write a run of the mill BMP and use the pallet I just worked out for the color map. For those who are interested I'll list the RGB values of the pallet in the order I have them in.

R G B
00 00 00
FC EC DC
FC CC B8
EC 98 84
A8 50 50
84 24 24
50 00 00
64 64 64
C8 C8 C8
00 34 DC
FC 00 00
FC 98 AC
00 C8 00
44 CC EC
FC EC 00
FC FC FC

That's about it. I think I found all the info I can, and listed what a person needs for looking at the strange screen captures PM2 makes. That said, I instead advise just using Dos-Box to take screenshots. Press Ctrl-F5 to take a capture. All images are stored in the Capture folder in your Dos-Box folder in the Program Files where it gets installed. I probably won't get started on learning to code right away (I know a little already), but maybe some day I'll try to make a little DOS utility to process those 8 files. I hope you found all of these info to be of some use. (If you are confused about BMP files, a web search will turn up what you need to know.)

Yoh, I aquired a savegame editor and during an experiment attempted to set her age to 8 to give me two extra years,the game didn't crash and it loaded fine. it even showed 08 in her age, but when I started the month it said that today is her 10th birthday even though it was febuary and her set birthday is in october, and she was eight. does anyone know how to make her less then ten years old without this popping up? should I try to find the event flag and delete it?

AW, before playing around with the game per se, I'd like to see a complete translation! :bleh: :whistling:

All the dialoges and menus and stuff is all translated so no problem

Not all of the endings are, though. :(

Hello!
I've just completed PM2. My daughter was a hero and married a knight!!!
But i got 0 relationship with father.
I had a little problems with War God. (no magic). So i just bought planty of granades and trained constitution. And i have managed to defeat him (i had 23 hp left :)).
This game is awesome!!!

Hi :)

PrincessMaker2 1996... it's 11 years old now... is it really still under ESA protection ?

I thought usually that when ESA buy the rights from a company that no longuer exist, the usual protection from ESA was 10 years long...

What are they doing ?! ESA! RELEASE MY PRINCESS !!!

FREE PRINCESS! FREE !

The ESA icon does not mean the game is protected by them.
We had PM2 for download, but have ben asked by the copyright owner to remove it.

Need a bit of help with the game, since I've not seen this anywhere else.

For everybody who's managed to get a Queen - how do you get the travelling salesman to appear? He tends to appear once for me early in life, and then disappears for the rest of the game even though I have oodles of cash. All the guides I've read manage to have him appear every November. What am I doing wrong?

The salesman only visit three times/game. He only appears If you have over 1000$.

Looks like I sucked. My first child became a normal housewife and married a regular merchant. I wonder if being a bit fat changed anything, because I couldnt change to make her thiner by the time the game ended.

Anyone has any tips on making her tiner? Also, does it change the end result? I got her to meet the young ofiver for 5 straight years, yet only got 60 relationship with him.

Btw, I got 324 points, yet I dont know how good/bad it is. I guess the max must be like 1000 points.

Here's an useful tip: Go to the beach at summer time. This, for some weird reason, makes your daughter lose weight.

I don't think weight affects anything but the ability to wear some unimportant dresses, so I wouldn't bother much.
Drinking some kind of special milk you can get from random encounters with certain birds in the desert area if you are lucky can also make her loose weight (IIRC).
You can also change her diet.

But the thing with the travelling salesman is that I have oddles of cash, and still he doesn't appear? Do I have to have less than 4000 gp? *confused*

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TheChosen @ Oct 6 2007, 06:15 AM) [snapback]314871[/snapback]</div>Because she's active and swimming.

Hunm, good tips.

Looks like this game has a lot of replay value, so Ill try another daughters. Yet, I still feel a bit disapointed my first one became a housewife LOL :LOL:

i suggest u hold keys F12 R N Q then go town...unique items and gold....

and i read that many people doesnt download game...but there are many free download site for this game...icant write here its forbidden..but i can give an advice just use google :D .........

What really gives me a bit of a warm fuzzy is if I use my own birthday, my own bloodtype, and the birthday of my oldest daughter, I can get the warrior princess ending (she gets skilled enough to defeat the war god and marries the prince).

Meh, can't seem to get the father-marriage ending. She always ends up marrying a genius knight or something geez. :crybaby:

Father love must be at the maximum (but the only way you can even see that hidden meter is by cheating). Also you shouldn't visit the Prince too mush (the young officer at the castle every January), the charisma shouldn't be too high (or she'll become a royal courtesan) and the morals should be somewhat low (otherwise she'd feel uncomfortable.

also make sure you talk to her every month and don't send her to have free time on her own (with or without money), because that lovers the father love meter.

You should take as many vacations together and you should listen to her wishes (she might want to learn more of one thing, or be taller or something) - and try to make them come true (if she wants to be taller, you need the Cat's Eye - you can get it by cheat or by defeating the cat creatures in the eastern forest adventure (but rarely).

This should help, but it's not really something all that special (still you should try).

Anyone know how to increase Social Rep. without the reference to events? Like maybe a course or work that can increase it?

It gets better if you improve on some other things that influence it (like decorum), but it's not really fast and you can't work on it directly.

The fastest advance is through the work at the bar (also increases the conversation skills, but lowers the intelligence dramatically).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rlbell @ Oct 11 2007, 04:06 AM) [snapback]315623[/snapback]</div>How do you get her to marry the prince? Is the prince the young official that only appears during january?

And the warrior princess must be quite hard (not to mention you must get extremely lucky).

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sebatianos @ Oct 12 2007, 08:09 PM) [snapback]315884[/snapback]</div>And also by winning the dance competition at the fair.

I´m not sure, but I think you can win the points by winning the painting competition too.

You get them yes, both by dance and art contests (but the question was with which work or classes can you do it - that's why I didn't mention it).

The art contest contributes less social points, but there are some to be had, where the dance also (if you win) gets you the Lady Ring which also boosts you refinement (further increasing the social points).

Also by sending her to many poetry classes (just be careful - everything that raises her sensitivity may turn her away from fighting).

Dont even mention it. I got a girl who got to the salon to work all the time and her sensitivity went to 999. I thought it was good, but it definitaly sucks because the woman runs away all the time and becomes delinquent all the time too.

My favorite child was the one with something like 50 sensitivity that could get 200 stress and keep on working.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 12 2007, 10:34 PM) [snapback]315900[/snapback]</div>How do you get her to marry the prince? Is the prince the young official that only appears during january?

And the warrior princess must be quite hard (not to mention you must get extremely lucky).
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The prince is that young officer that shows up at the palace, in January. Every other month, you try to work your way up the social ladder, starting with the guard

Warrior princess was a bit of a misnomer-- she became a general in the army that married the prince. The start is by paying for training by working at the farm (builds up strength and constitution), and then doing all of the adventuring.

I have not played in years, so I cannot give any details. However, do not accept the demon's offer to exchange purity for magical ability. Having the girl end up marrying the demon is not good for your final score.

Oh, I got the general ending. I thought I did pretty good, but I thought there could be a higher "military" ending, like the "Xen warrior princess" ending or something :LOL:

Yet, in my ending, she ended up marrying the "genius knight" or something.

Btw, I did trade a lot of sin for points. I did it 5 or 6 times I guess, and yes, it was a pain in the behind because her sin went to 300 or so. Fortunaly I had so much money by then (getting money from adventuring is WAY too easy, I could get 2000-4000 every time I went out) that I payed the church to get rid of the sins (it takes 1000 to get rid of 100 sin points, which is very easy).

Btw, is there any other way besides adventuring to get so much money? Adventuring and killing the skeletons in the graveyard in the desert is what I did to get the money (it gives you 350-500 gold by skeleton).

Anyone can give step-by-step instructions on how to make the game work in DOS box? I keep getting an error that says it's an executable that can't be run on dos mode.

On another note, It's hella hard to become ruling queen. I tried and tried and always wound up becoming Warrior hero or Mage hero :tai: . It's just annoying that there's so many factors that can affect the game's outcome and some of them can be as small as getting sick or so which can be easily missed in an entire playthrough. :tai:

since its not downloadable i have no clue about which exe are you talking about but it apparently isnt for dos.. so did you try running in other os? also try more excutables

I run mine in DOSBOX. You can run it through windowns, but there is no sound in it.

Mad Eddy's and the Beta Shop
Go to town.
Press and hold, all at the same time: F12, R, N, and Q.
hit 'Cancel' to go back to your house.
When you go back to town, there should be two new shops: Mad Eddy's and the Beta Shop.

Mad Eddy gives you free money, and lets you buy very rare items, among other things.

The Beta Shop lets you select the ENDing, among other things.

you can look at this page for usefull tips http://princessmaker.maison-otaku.net/princess.htm

for basic instruction..........http://www.kkpmc.net/pm2/pm2.htm

Yeah, but even with all that you are still not going to get all the endings possible.

I tried the Beta shop to get the Queen of Darkness ending - but instead the girl became a high class concubine <_<

i make all the ending but using cheat code make zero (0) all of your skill points..and something silly happens....i use the cheat in beta shop marry with prince in the end she maarry with prince but becouse of cheat code her skills come zero end she become house wife..use cheat code START OF THE GAME

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 14 2007, 07:28 PM) [snapback]316097[/snapback]</div>Use a different executable. I remember there's more than one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Fifth Horseman @ Oct 15 2007, 11:00 AM) [snapback]316217[/snapback]</div>Use a different executable. I remember there's more than one.
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i downloaded dosbox but the game still wont run because it cant find LIBINDEX.DIR and im sure its in there. is there a patch or somthin i can get?

it still cant find the file and i kno its there....anything else i can try?

What do you see when you input dir /w at the prompt?
You should see something as this:
http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/348...1841936_th.jpg <- click
The game runs with pm2

nuthin it says its an illegal command and when i try to open LIBINDEX.DIR in my folder it says the command is illegal...

Or:
You unzipped wrong
Or:
Your mount is wrong
Please post ALL mount lines/inputs that you use.
ALL of them.
And we also want to know the color of your shoes.

*Edit
BTW: you can't open LIBINDEX.DIR, that's not a directory. :blink:
*Edit²
I'm of to bed now.
Goodnight.
CYA.

okie dokie

Z:\>MOUNT C C:\
Mounting C C:\ is NOT recommended. Please mount a (sub)directory next time.
Drive C is mounted as local directory C:\

Z:\>C:\

C:\>Users\AMANDA~1\Desktop\pm2\PM2.EXE

then it goes into the game format(ive cn the game played b4) and alil red/purplish box comes up and tells me it is unable to locate LIBINDEX.DIR system error then freezes my laptop

and my shoes r black van kicks with a hot pink checkered v...i kno...they kick behind....

thanx for attemptin to help computer challenged ppl like me ^^

goodnightss

Oh my that looks very bad.
You're wearing the wrong shoes to play PM2.
Really.

Now, 'bout that game:
1) Create a c:\oldgames\ (we're in Windows here)
2) Drag and drop \pm2\ to c:\oldgames (The WHOLE folder).
3) Run dosbox and input:

mount c c:\oldgames\
c:
cd pm2
pm2

That should do it.

When you enter DIR /w ?
This is not possible. Are you sure you entered the command correctly?

tTHANK U SOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!! the game works ^^ i love it soo much

and i really love u right now ^^

You're welcome.

PS: Don't forget about the shoes, wear heavy army combat boots or so, that's kick as*
THE SHOES! Remember.

LMOA.

LMAO i wants combat boots sooooo badly.........now i have to get themmm

Um.
Where can I find a place to download Princess Maker?

Sorry, but as the game download was removed on a direct request from the publisher, we are not allowed to provide this sort of information.

im rele lost
 

this might sound RELI stupid but does anyone know where i can download this game...you can download it from this site right....if so can someone tell me how...

and if u cant download it from this site can someone tell me where u can?

Nope, sorry. This game used to be available for download a year or two ago, but then the site was threatened with all sort of legal nastiness if it wasn't taken down. The site policy is to keep the review in place without the download so as not to throw away the work that went into it.

You can almost certainly get the game illegally somehow (torrents, dodgy Eastern European sites, etc) but the forum is kept free of such links (and words to type into google) as the site could still get into trouble for stuff held on the forum.

I remember getting this game from Home Of The Underdogs a couple of years ago... I also found a partial translation for PM4 somewhere on the internet, but I don't remember where. It does exist however, for those that're interested

Anyway, I followed a link earlier in this thread and found Princess Maker 1 with an english translation, but have no idea how to run it as it consists of 7 .dsk files and nothing else... Anyone know how to run this?

*.dsk:
http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/dsk

And some amiga/spectrum emulators can load *.dsk files directly as floppy.

And before you ask how to run the game after mounting/extracting: It's the MSX version.

about princess maker 1 in english (here's the link for those that won't read 40 pages like i did eh eh):


I'm not able to make all the dsk files stuff working too. Googlin a little bit I find out dsk files are a sort of iso files, so I've used WinImage to mount/extract them, but only the first .dsk and the last one seems to contain something inside... for a total amount of 3 files, few kb, not working of course.
Is anybody kind enough to tell me how to mount/extract/make the stuff workin properly?

there's no edit button? :)
wanted to add: I tried other dsk managment tools, just to end up in having the same result, so i guess is not like an usual image file... but really don't what to do in order to make it workin. if somebody is kind enough...

another thing: i've read in this thread about an editor for princess maker 2, but nobody posted a link... ^_^

[echo modus]

[/echo modus]

[oh tnx a lot mode]

this kind of arrogant reply stands for...?

ok, now everybody knows you can use quote and edit post.
could you explain me how to use what you quoted too?

as i said, i tried WinImage (http://www.fileinfo.net/extension/dsk) but it only extract 3 files, one from the first and two from the last .dsk

so?

[/oh tnx a lot mode]

[this kind of arrogant reply stands for ...]
Means you can not run those *.dsk files directly in windows.
Means you need an emulator.
Means you need to do a bit more googlin.
Means you will have to learn some things.
Means also I won't reply anymore.
KTXBAY.

really happy you won't reply anymore, so maybe some nicer guy will explain me something instead just saying to others to learn what you can't teach ^^

http://www.bluemsx.com/download.html

eventually got it, the right emulator to make all workin.

dosraider, all you had to do, if you really wanted to say something usefull, was to post this link instead of acting like an arrogant. if you got hurt by my lack of knowledge about emulators you could just ignore me.
ok, now stop, peace.

I'd like to translate pm2 in my native language (italian), i read something about an editor in this thread but there was no follow up. Does anybody know a tool to edit (and extract texts by) lbx files?

ok, i've found this program:
http://www.watto.org/extract/info.html
but there's no trace of english in txts it extracts from tx*.lbx files (those ones that contains texts). i just read ascii code in them, while i should read some dialogs...
any help?

It's logical that the files are either encrypted or compressed, the latter being more likely.

I thought the program was able to extract and decrypt too, but it does only extract, that's what they says the program does indeed. I believe "inners" files are encrypted, but it's just a guess deducted by my little experience in translating illusion games (why do you think they're compressed instead?). by the way, my account can't (still?) send pm's nor edit post. I'd like to contact Natso, had the feeling he could help me somehow, maybe doing a encrypting/decrypting (or compress/decompress) tool, but of course if any of you can (and want eheh!) help me i would really appreciate :)

PM's are sent through the main site. The vbulletin PM system was disabled.

I know you're probably going to send me to FAQ--but wait, I have read them!

Can you download this game here? I'm not sure if I'm just being stupid and can't find the link or something. I found this page through another website (the girl was suggesting where to find the game.) I'd really like to be able to play this. It sounds like loads of fun.

Thanks.

http://www.abandonia.com/en/faq

:D

Sorry, you can't download it here.
We were requested to remove the download some time ago.

Princess Maker 2 is awesome! I made my daugter into a knight ^^

The game was made 1996..shouldnt it been abandonware by now?

Age of game has nothing to do with whether it's abandonware, or not. Some games from the 1980s are still being sold. It's a matter of who owns the rights to a given title, and whether they're willing to turn a blind eye to people downloading it. So some games, like Betrayal at Krondor, began with a cost, then were offered for free, then were offered for a charge, again, when the rights changed hands.

This one was never actually "made".
The version we had was a leaked copy of the unreleased English translation.
Don't know who exactly removed it (or when), but from what I gather it must have been at a direct request by the copyright owners.

I've had this on disk since its US release," which I think was halted because the distributor went suddenly bellyup. I got quite a few things in alpha and beta for possible magazine preview that never made it(Frog City's Odyssey was one of the most interesting), but this title was the only one I recall that ever made it to full, final code without hitting the stands.

Well, this, and Where's Fat Lou? But that was such a horrendous piece of junk that I'm not surprised its release remained limited to Italy. And I did review it, for CNET. Princess Maker 2? By the time I got around to it, it was dead in the water. Shame, though at least it has a successor alive and well.

lost
 

i used to play princess maker 2 but now i cant find it at all does anyone know where i can get it in english?

Sorry, you can't.

The thing is that the game was never officially translated or released, so nobody can legally offer it for download - too bad, since it was the only game in the series that even got (an unofficial) translation.

Actually, that's not true.
The translation is official - except it was never fully finished, and in the end never released either. A copy of it leaked out on the net a few years ago, that being the copy AB used to have.

Potatoes, potatoes...

Hmm... a translation that was never completed and never released and a working copy leaking out... I'd say all of that would classify as the unofficial translation.

I was sent Fairytale Adventure 2 for review consideration by a distributor, and the box also included Princess Maker 2. I suspect that's how it first started circulating in the US, at least.

Oooow I wish I still had it! It's aaawesome :noworry:

Hmm... I recall my first girl being something like 5 ft 6, and ended up becoming a Court Magician. I accepted the old dragon's money (my daughter wasn't too happy about it), but at the end she still ended up choosing him so it's all good.

Second one i decided to make her ultra evil, and she ended up killing the demon and replacing him as Queen of the Underworld. Was quite different...

My old compy crashed on the third attempt though, and born under the birthsign of Mars she was at 5 ft 8 somewhere around age 13, or 14. Definitely had the potential to break 6 ft there...

Not "choosing" him. If you accept the money, she will automatically HAVE to choose him. Forced marriage. :p

Poor little thing..... can you imagine the husband-dragon afraid of being slain by a demon-killer girl who was forced into marriage?

blank picture?
 

OK...so I went on vacation to the sea when she was 14 in the spring and summer. The picture was BLACK. Is this supposed to be like that?

Also...i cannt find any of the bandits. The one to the north is supposed to be in the hose. But i try and try and he is never there.

The bandits don't always appear on the first time you're in the location.

Also, IIRC you can't go after just any of them - second can be only found after defeating the first, and third after defeating the second.

Thanks. I found them all now. I was too powerful for them to defeat though. hehe.

Well i got an ending. First one was a General, then marrying Lucifon. I went back, then chose to marry the dragon.

Anyone have some tips on making a lot of money without adventuring? I dont want to have to cheat.

working on something to gain a first prize and then study?

One way is to make her really good at cooking at the beggining by helping with the housework - this way she will also score temperament. after getting at least 100 in cooking, get her to raise sensitivity with babysitting. This way she will score the cooking contest (a 50-50 chance, always re-try if you don't win), get 3000G and you can concentrate in other areas.


Btw, I'm very frustrated. I got her a real good reputation in basically everything, a popularity of 1000 and she became... a writer? what? She defeated the war God and she becomes a writer! She never had a class of poetry in the entire game! Where did she even get the idea? O_o