| 15-02-2014 08:17 PM | ||||
| gufetto |
ANOTHER UPDATE: I got the PC98 version to work. You need some ludicrous system of loading disc 2 on drive 1 and simultaneously disc 1 on drive 2. Then, after the game start, swap disc 1 with disc 3. But I discovered the PC98 version is nowhere as good as the PC version... Worse graphics, no voices, and I still didn't find a way to setup controls. 
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| 15-02-2014 11:39 AM | ||||
| gufetto |
Ok, here's what I did. I downloaded the PC98 version of the game, plus every PC98 emulator ever. Supposedly they're complete with bios, although I'm not sure I know how to load them. Aaand guess what? IT KEEPS NOT WORKING. This is ridiculous!! This game is mocking me, I swear!! Usually, when I mount the .fdi file, it tells me to "insert disc 1 in drive 2". I've tried loading the game in drive 2 then, but nothing changed. I've uploaded here all of the emulators plus the Metal & Lace 2 rom is both versions (but I think the .fdi version is probably better). http://junoh.altervista.org/pc98emus&tools.rar It's only 38 mb, so if someone would like to download it and give it a try. I just can't get the darn thing to work!!! 
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| 15-02-2014 08:46 AM | ||||
| Japo |
I would not mess your system for a game, it's less trouble if you have to install Virtual PC or Windows 3.1 on DOSBox or whatever. This could be the longest troubleshooting conversation ever on Abandonia,  and that's a lot to say. At this point you have invested so much effort that you really deserve to have a good solution, so even though there isn't much for me to add, because you already have expert help (with an attitude in Dosraiders's case), I feel compelled to add my two cents.I think at this point your best and easiest choice is to use a virtual PC (and hope you're done after that). It isn't as hard as it looks, here you have an easy tutorial: http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/showthread.php?t=28390 I also have some tips to try to run old Windows games in modern versions, but it's more an art than a science, and if you don't manage with these few simple tips, I really think it's less trouble to resort to a virtual PC. http://www.abandonia.com/vbullet/showthread.php?t=17501 I recommend to install Windows 95/98 on the virtual machine, as that version can also run Windows 3.1 programs with no compatibility issues. I don't recommend XP for this. |
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| 14-02-2014 06:44 PM | ||||
| gufetto |
Ok, apparently, using Windows 7, you can't disable the direct draw acceleration since it's an integral part of the OS. That seems to be where my problem comes from! I've managed to make two icons who will enable/disable direct draw acceleration, and they're on my desktop.... but I haven't clicked them. I'm afraid it might crash my computer.  I guess it's either emulating an entire OS for a single game, or giving up.... that sucks!! I am strongly against the idea that new systems can't allow old programs to work!!! |
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| 14-02-2014 03:50 PM | ||||
| The Fifth Horseman |
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It's with the game relying on a different - much older - version of the API . You could try disabling DirectDraw and seeing if that changes the game's reaction - it's known to fix similar issues with certain old games, but there is no certainity as to whether it will work here (and obviously you'll want to set it back on after you've finished playing the game) |
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| 14-02-2014 01:12 PM | ||||
| dosraider |
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If you're really so eager to play that game, why don't you try VPC2007+Xp ????? Honestly: that would be my first move anyway. Or VPC2007+W98SE ..... But I guess VPC+XP would be easier for you, W98 had its own headache suppliers ...... Also, you buy a 64b OS and want to play obsolete games that were designed for W9X on it ....., it's like going with a new car to the shop and want them to mount your granddads old spare tires on your new shiny car ... just saying [Edit] Asked a mate with mediacrap account to down game for me. Result:  Runs flawless in VPC2007+W98SE ( and will be the same in VPC2007+XP). So that will be your easiest solution. FYI: install updated DX from 'directx' folder on CD BUT:uncheck D3D acceleration option, VPC doesn't support that kind of hardware. All in VPC of course. |
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| 14-02-2014 12:45 PM | ||||
| gufetto |
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What? It took me literally five minutes to download the entire game. What are you saying? In any case, I've tried to make a .bat file which orders to kill explorer.exe when launching the game. Still no changes. It's good, however, that I am learning a lot of tech stuff in two days, given that I had no idea how to make a .bat file or how to access regedit before. BUT I AM SO LOSING MY PATIENCE. Odd thing is, by accessing my directx data I can see DirectDraw: Enabled.... |
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| 14-02-2014 12:27 PM | ||||
| dosraider |
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That game isn't really appealing  But already have a good idea what's going on: Win7 64, if the game installs in /prog files (x86)/, now those are protected in win7 64, try to install in something as /users/your name/mace/ or something, if you have a D partition even better, try on D partition. If fails, now it's probably that '64' that is to blame and you're screwed indeed. VPC2007 it will be. One last remark, I wouldn't be so eager to try to install all kind of old apps and obsolete sysfiles on my new PC. VPC2007 is more secure. [Edit] Just thought about the fact you prob don't know but in Win 64 16b softs won't work. As the game is I think W9X installer is most likely 16b or has partial 16b code sections. Happens more with W9X softs. Some -(in fact plenty)- even had dos based code somewhere, devs laziness you could say. |
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| 14-02-2014 12:00 PM | ||||
| gufetto |
Ok, it won't let me edit my post for some reason, which is annoying, because I had edited it and wrote a lot of stuff. I've tried everything, even going into regedit and altering stuff, but nope. So here is the link to the full game upload: http://www.filestube.to/eqXqebudKuKS6tl3qnp76n The game also contains a folder called directx but I can't get it to work. If I copy the folder inside the game folder, everything crashes. I've tried to just install the directx in the installer, but the installer refuses to do so. Can someone, perhaps, take a few minutes to download this and give it a look? 
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| 14-02-2014 09:55 AM | ||||
| gufetto |
AN IMPORTANT UPDATE: I've downloaded another, bigger version of the game, which isn't ripped but the real deal... and it works. BUT: I still get the error. I launch the game, it works perfectly, I select my character, but once the fight begins the game closes and I get "Direct Draw error"... |
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