Princess Maker 2 [Archive]

Amanda-Lyn

10-10-2004, 06:29 AM

If this game is any indication of what my kids are going to be like......I agree with my mother I should never have any. I played it a few times straight with no cheats and it was so/so. She became a poet, but had a pretty miserable life because her sensitivity was low and obviously that made her a shitty poet, she became a dancer but lacked enough carisma to carry it through and therefore didn't do too well, she became a palace guard (low ranking from the looks) and married a general, and oh my favourite a housewife who married a wizard.

BUT...I then went to the cheat mode and gave myself bucket loads of money and she became a really cool dancer who won all kinds of awards, a magician who kicked ass, a dominatrix (my personal favourite) and she also married the prince on one of them.

I killed her a few times just to see what happens. Rumour has it if she is really really really really evil and has no morals and is a really good fighter she can become queen of the underworld....of course to become Queen of all Hellfire that would mean that she would have to push my Mother-In-Law off the trone :P .

Absolutely Righteous Game Duuude.

There is another Japanese game in similar context called True Love....This one is for the more mature (ooops bad word...like I'm mature)...adult game. Basically your this guy who through different school courses and after school activities gets noticed by different females and in the end developes a relation ship with one of them based on your different skills you have mastered through the game. The adult only part really comes into effect in the last picture (WHOA!!) :blink: . But the game is pretty cool.

T T F N

Amanda-Lyn

einherjar

08-12-2004, 02:40 AM

My first daughter became an artist, my second a Magician Instructor, and my third began Domestic Training (only because I goofed up in the beginning and she ended up getting sick every other month).

playitagainsam

10-12-2004, 10:05 AM

people, i'm delighted. what a strange game. at the beginning i was trying for a fighter, but she won the art contest and although i tried to do it again she was having none of it. dancing it had to be. nevertheless she became an artist, married and replaced the art teacher as court painter. weird.

Guest

25-12-2004, 09:59 AM

Anyone other than me killed the warrior god in two magic blows?
You can if you visit the elf in the forest without iron armor or weapons equipped with alot of sensitivity like 20 times.......

Guest

27-12-2004, 05:28 PM

Supermaging the girl is one of the game's standard tricks.

Having gotten the girl to become the Reigning Queen/Grand Poobah of the Realm, as well as the Princess of Darkness, I just have one thing I'm yet to figure out...how to get the daughter to marry the father? I've heard it's do-able, I've not actually been able to pull it off (though I've gotten to 100 Father Relationship with her).

Anyone ever figure it out?

Tom Henrik

27-12-2004, 05:31 PM

It happened to me. Dunno why.

I think it can happen if you keep her very protected - away from other men, and always have a father-daughter chat.

Guest

27-12-2004, 05:32 PM

I see. Hrm...that'd mean killing her Social ability...ah well.

Tom Henrik

27-12-2004, 05:35 PM

My first daughter married Cube.... THAT was freaky!

einherjar

27-12-2004, 05:55 PM

http://www.kkpmc.net/pm2/pm2.htm

This page has information on the requirements for every ending and marriage possibility.

Eneyla

28-12-2004, 01:39 AM

Huh. When I try to run the files it just says "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\AUTOEXEC.NT. The system file is not suitable for running MS-DOS and Microsoft Windows applications. Choose 'Close' to terminate the application." I had this game installed before and it worked then, though. :blink:

einherjar

28-12-2004, 02:26 PM

Copy the autoexec.nt file from C:\windows\system32 and paste it into C:\I386. If it's not in C:\windows\system32, then copy it from C:\I386 and paste it into C:\windows\system32.

BLOODUK

29-12-2004, 01:32 PM

This game is very good, damn addictive..

Puffin

29-12-2004, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Tom Henrik@Dec 27 2004, 06:35 PM
My first daughter married Cube.... THAT was freaky!
Cube is so cute!!!!!!!!
One of my daughter married him, too...
Another married some dragon boy :blink:

einherjar

30-12-2004, 05:37 PM

I might be able to find out what the requirements are for marrying the father by using the special trick I found...

einherjar

30-12-2004, 05:47 PM

Ok... here it is.

Intelligence, charisma, and refinement have to be 250, and morals and faith at 100. Relationship with father has to be 100.

I think scolding and vacations bring the relationship up.

SCKnight

14-01-2005, 01:15 PM

I just beat the game! I was able to unlock two of the many endings: Artist and Housewife. She was an excellent lumberjack and took a lot of art classes. She won the Cooking Contest. Now, I am starting over again. I do have a question: how do I get my daughter to marry Cube? The highest I have ever gotten was 51 with her relationship to him. By the way, I got a score of 321.

Balvan

14-01-2005, 03:15 PM

Those two were my first two endings.:blink:
i don't get why she run away later in the game when i win a lot of money,and try to send her to school more often.

einherjar

14-01-2005, 04:34 PM

I had Artist and Magic Instructor. Housewife is near the bottom of the barrel as far as good professions go.

Borodin

24-01-2005, 11:50 AM

I remember being intrigued when PM2 showed up. It came along with Faery Tale Adventure 2: Halls of the Dead, from the same distributor, and that distributor went belly up almost immediately. As a result, those games received hardly any attention or distribution at all in the US. Can't speak for elsewhere. Shame, because they were interesting titles. I don't think PM2 would have ever gotten the kind of praise it deserved in the US in any case, because of its unusual format. But I played it often, and always got a chuckle out of the way the developers associated various tasks with different personality traits.

ultranewbie

24-01-2005, 07:53 PM

Does any one else notice that their daughter is really tiny?

I've only played it once, and to get her into the leather dress (which looks rather interesting) I needed to get her down under 100 pounds. And, she was only like 5'3"...

ultranewbie

28-01-2005, 06:29 AM

The more I play this game, the more I like it! ARGH, hooked!

And to think that I didn't download it because I thought it would be too girly!

Duhame

28-01-2005, 04:45 PM

I'm always making an magical teacher, and i discovery you can find the little prince in castle,

but, i hate using the cheats, it make this game without fun :ranting:

gamerxgirl

01-02-2005, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by Duhame@Jan 28 2005, 05:45 PM
I'm always making an magical teacher, and i discovery you can find the little prince in castle,

but, i hate using the cheats, it make this game without fun* :ranting:
I agree, before I found them, I found the game a lot more challenging, and now that I have to money to feed her she gets large or 'fat' and then keeps running away! :wall:

Robert

02-02-2005, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by gamerxgirl@Feb 2 2005, 12:36 AM
I agree, before I found them, I found the game a lot more challenging, and now that I have to money to feed her she gets large or 'fat' and then keeps running away! :wall:
Balance is the answer. Make her do some adventuring or similar besides the studying and feeding. And you can put her on diet, so she can take down on weight again.

Tom Henrik

02-02-2005, 11:05 AM

And you can scold her for running away :evil:

Kizzikat

06-02-2005, 12:15 PM

My first daughter was a man-hating prostitute, my second died, and my third was a bored housewife. The next one was better, she was a successful martial arts instructor, then I got a lousy dancer who married Cube. I don't think I'm very good at this!

I want to make the bondage queen next if I can. I guess I gotta that sin up!

william_is_bob

07-02-2005, 05:48 AM

Thsi game was the most addictive game ever, and even if you play twice doing the same thing, she will end up different. I was cheating like hell and I still cannot get her to marry the prince (you suppose to meet the prince every year at a set date and please the parents) and the birth dates have alot to do with everything.

I cheated and created a dolly parton, if you know what I mean, used all the demon items and fox demon items to max charm out, win all the house chores contest, and she *dirty word* runs away with a man at 16, thank god there are no early pregnancies in the game and she ends up been a nurse or a social worker or some kind, and I saved near the end and she always ended up either a social worker, unmarried matron, nurse ... etc, I nearly threw the computer out the window. I sent the game to my friends at law school and supposely a whole dorm wing got hooked.

I got the complete walkthrough which tell you what effects what so you can really plan it out, but dont count on it, it does not happen 100%, I really admire the way they make every game different, but for me all my daughters seems to end up in similar jobs, perhapes it is a reflection of us. Her abtitute is a reflection of our habits and preferneces, I have never got a hooker daughter, administrator, got a farmer once, the freakiest is when she marries you, and stays home to serve you, that is suppose to be just as a good ending as marrying the prince which tell you how screwed up the japs are.

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jareth_chong

10-02-2005, 07:31 PM

How can my girl earn money from works? My girl worked as a babysitter and at the inn and restaurant, but she sucked at the works and could never earned any money. She could only earn money from working at the church. I believe there must be some requirements (stat-wise) for her to earn money from those works. What are the requirements? What are the other ways to get money, a lot and fast?

Guest

10-02-2005, 09:39 PM

It's not hard to get her to marry the Prince - keep her morals above 100 (I think), sin below 100 (just work the girl in the church), and have her refinement/charisma above 200 (250 to be safe perhaps) - and go see the prince all the damn time.

Lizard

13-02-2005, 08:12 PM

The first she had become royal magician and had married sorceror...
However second one i want to make her more evil so she had become thug,never married and become most wanted criminalist in whole land and runaway somewhere.........My score -1055points.....Oh well. :eeeeeh: But that was just experiment anyway..... :whistle: :whistle:
Im curious how you can influence father relationship(i know with father-daughter chat but arent there any other ways?)and butler relationship?

The Fifth Horseman

21-02-2005, 12:57 PM

My girl ended up as a warrior-general. She has beaten the War God! Altough I fauled a little on the beginning, not knowing how to earn cash etc.

PS. If any one of you is looking for a good Hentai game... I advise Nocturnal Illusions. Both good XXX scenes and normal gameplay. Plus the plot isn't bad either.

another_guest

23-02-2005, 09:23 AM

I can advise using the money cheat after you've played the game for a few times. In the "normal game" I doubt you'll ever be able to have a daughter strong enough to take on the war god for example; some extra money makes the game so much more interesting.

By the way, did any of you ever fight the old dragon? I've returned often enough, beaten the young dragon and a handful of regular dragons too, but the old one just talks and talks... Just curious, so far I've beaten any creature in the game at least once, though it took me 10 attempts to defeat the war god. :Titan:

23-02-2005, 02:56 PM

eh...i was able to beat the war god before i turned 16

another_guest

23-02-2005, 03:05 PM

I think I was a year later, though my first attempts were at the age of 14 or 15.
A constitution of 999 proved to be enough, but the problem was she usually ran off after sustaining more than 500 damage: then her morale dropped from 500 to 0.
Both combat and magical skill and attack were in the 120-130 range.
The first times both my daughter and the war god were down to 100 HP when she ran off :ranting:

It was a little disappointing that so little happened after beating the war god.

23-02-2005, 11:36 PM

oh i see, i only had like 200-300 constitution because i wanted to wear the dresses. Basically i had a nearly skills in fighting and magic so it deflected much of the blows and gave me dodging skills more than half the time he attacked me. i always believed attack and def was always better to raise than hp.

Kizzikat

06-03-2005, 08:17 AM

You have to starve her until she goes below 80 pounds before she can fit into the silk dress. That is so not right, I had it made for her specially! I'm gonna buy a whole lot of ancient milk, and starve her, and so how skinny she can get before she dies.

another_guest

06-03-2005, 11:21 AM

I think it also depends on your daughter's height, I remember her fitting into any dress when she weighed 88 or even a little above 90 pounds.
But it's indeed ridiculous that she never fits into dresses you've just bought for her.

Kizzikat

06-03-2005, 12:05 PM

Especially when you have it made to her measurements! :D

another_guest

06-03-2005, 02:10 PM

Relax, it's just a game... Get your revenge by having your daughter kick some dragon behind. Which in turn might get you some other garment your daughter will never be able to wear :D

Lizard

06-03-2005, 04:13 PM

Bah.I have 85 pound daughter that wear dragon tights and kick behind of dragons :Brain:
Magic rulez!

Anovich

06-03-2005, 04:43 PM

Mine ran off to be the mistress of that disgusting old man, I was furious! Then she came back and became a writer. what's up with that??? I guess she must have written like "confessions of an underage concubine" sorta thing. ick.

But it was seriously addictive for a while when I played it last year! very frustrating at times, but soooo entertaining!

Lizard

06-03-2005, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Anovich@Mar 6 2005, 06:43 PM
Mine ran off to be the mistress of that disgusting old man, I was furious! Then she came back and became a writer. what's up with that??? I guess she must have written like "confessions of an underage concubine" sorta thing. ick.

But it was seriously addictive for a while when I played it last year! very frustrating at times, but soooo entertaining!
Tought luck.I made a Mistress of Darkness from my daughter once which has married a Prince of Darkness :twisted: .She had sin 999 buhahaha :evil:
The final screens(about who she married,what she become,etc...) was trully enjoing :evil:

Strange Oddysee

08-03-2005, 02:24 PM

Do you need to be high in an area to have high mp and hp. My combat and magic skills are really, really high and she has no mp and only 141 hp. She does have very low morals. Could this be why?

The Fifth Horseman

08-03-2005, 03:27 PM

I don't know about MP, but the HP's are determined from Constitution. So you need to raise it to get more HP.

Lizard

08-03-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Strange Oddysee@Mar 8 2005, 04:24 PM
Do you need to be high in an area to have high mp and hp. My combat and magic skills are really, really high and she has no mp and only 141 hp. She does have very low morals. Could this be why?
Hp-Constitution
Mp-Intelliigence

Beldar

21-03-2005, 04:08 AM

Hello !

I have downloaded a few games from this great site. It's very nice to see that there is a site which we can download free old games which where popular in the time.

Keep up the good work Abandonia ! :D

As for this game, it is very addictive. I've spent 2 full nights playing this game. It looks confusing at first, but like the review said, you will learn it in just a few minutes.

I will try to get all the endings. Right now I made my daughter into a housewife, general, artist, fighting teacher, magician and royal concubine. I've got like 70 more endings to get... :blink:

It seems that this game isn't 100% full. When my daughter made it to a magician and royal concubine, I got these errors :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Galneon222/pm2_002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/Galneon222/pm2_003.jpg

I really don't mind those missing files, but I just want to let you guys know. Does anyone get these errors too ?

another_guest

21-03-2005, 07:54 AM

I remember getting some similar errors too, but for other endings than the two you listed.

Guest

30-03-2005, 07:54 PM

Wow, what an amazing game. I finished it, and my daughter became a general. After beating thought, I felt like crying! Did anybody else feel like this? It was so... heart-warming.

PrejudiceSucks

30-03-2005, 08:04 PM

LOL mine always becomes a good mother, but then again I teach her too cook and go to the babysitter's (hence I win the Cooking Contest every time!).

I tried to make her a general but I got bored and went back to cooking + sensitivity.

Oh once she became a Lumberjack too, but only once *sighs*.

Guest

31-03-2005, 04:44 PM

Cooking contest? My strategy to killl stress was to visit the south lakes: you can get some money (killing trolls and kidnappers) the awesome black scales (from black mermaids - make your girl untouchable if you have enough of them) and finally the fairies grant you some bonus cooking AND reduce the stress to 0. I ended with about a cooking skill of 200 - it´s a great way to increase your housekeeping reputation also. In the last cooking contest, she got like 1100 points, and the second runner up... 170. LOL

Guest

31-03-2005, 06:04 PM

And by the way, I managed to get all the requirements to become Grand Poobah (the king abdicates on you and you become the new ruling queen) but instead she became a magic hero. Does anyone know why?

Beldar

01-04-2005, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Guest@Mar 31 2005, 06:04 PM
And by the way, I managed to get all the requirements to become Grand Poobah (the king abdicates on you and you become the new ruling queen) but instead she became a magic hero. Does anyone know why?
Maybe it's your Refinement. It must be over 800, which is not easy at all.

Beldar

01-04-2005, 11:26 AM

I guess I didn't saw this in any walkthrough, but there is an easy way for your daughter to lose or gain weight without changing her diet.

To make her lose weight, spend lots of vacations at the sea during summer. You will see her stress bar AND her weight bar, going down.

To make her gain weight, spend vacations at the mountains during fall. You will notice that every picture of her in the mountains during fall she brings food with her, which is probably why her weight bar is going up.

Gaining weight is easy, but losing weight can be hard, especially if you want your daughter to be a dancer and wearing every dress. So the summer vacation trick can help you a lot.

Guest

02-04-2005, 02:04 PM

Maybe it's your Refinement. It must be over 800, which is not easy at all.

Yes, I know. Her refinement was close to 900. (or in any case, much higher than 800)

Guest

03-04-2005, 05:11 AM

I once put her on 'slim down' or sometimes 'weight loss' to see her smallest size... in the end i got 4'11 ( i think ), 35 ( or 34 )/18/31 and her weight was 55!! .. i treid to put her on the weight loss summer vacation.. it reduced to 52, but the next month it rised to 55 again... even though i put her on weight loss diet. I think thats the most minimum weight..
Wow... a 27 kg 18 year old with a 45cm waist.. that's inhuman..
to get this I had to slip a dance school every month ( to raise constitution )
and i intended to make her a dancer anyway.
Anyways.. this game IS addicting.... i have sacrificed the health of my eyes ( and neck )playing this game...

p.s the dragon youth is so cute.... ;)

McTweedle

09-04-2005, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Guest@Apr 2 2005, 02:04 PM
Maybe it's your Refinement. It must be over 800, which is not easy at all.

Yes, I know. Her refinement was close to 900. (or in any case, much higher than 800)
Keep those fighting and magic reputation at 380 and housework reputation strictly below 370! Then Grand Poobah should be possible. Refinement 800 is right, but watch that sensitivity! Above 300, she'll always end up becoming dancer, artist or, worst scenario, writer!

Oh, Housework reputation above 420 always ends up in becoming a housewife.

TheChosen

12-04-2005, 06:09 AM

Wohay! My daughter begame an adventurer.

But it was a quite shock when she married....her own father (Thats me!)!!!

Guest

14-04-2005, 05:24 PM

Well, I've played the game a coupla times now.

First daughter was an experiment, didn't know all the options and finesses of the game. She became a... tutor. That's the job I let her do the most because it paid the most! :yawn: She married a wizard.

Next daughter was a hit! Ever since I learnt that adventuring is the key to the game and easy money, I let her do that the most often. She became a Hero, just like her dad. She married a knight.

With the third daughter I tried to give her more skills than just fighter skills. She became Commander of the Royal Guard. She married a knight, again.

Fourth daughter: more different skills, more class and refinement, more sex-appeal... She became a Hero all the same. Married a knight. Guess I shouldn't have let her beat that God of War?

Fifth daughter: again tried to expand her repertoir. She became a Knight in the Royal Guard! Married a knight....

I'm good at raising military females, it seems. :Titan:

Spookyfish

14-04-2005, 06:33 PM

Hehe :D... The first daughter I raised became a general who lead from the front... But as I never sent her to any brainy schooling, she wasn't very clever, and was so unsuitable to lead :whistle:... Ended up being shot down at the battlefield. Married a knight. Oh, and in the letter she sent me, it said that she hated me. Not literally, but that was its meaning :cry:.

Lizard

14-04-2005, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Spookyfish@Apr 14 2005, 07:33 PM
Hehe :D... The first daughter I raised became a general who lead from the front... But as I never sent her to any brainy schooling, she wasn't very clever, and was so unsuitable to lead :whistle:... Ended up being shot down at the battlefield. Married a knight. Oh, and in the letter she sent me, it said that she hated me. Not literally, but that was its meaning :cry:.
Wow!!! :eeeeeh:
Even when I raised the Dark Queen which married Prince of Darkness she didnt said she hate me(well she said I am fool, and few other nice things..... :angel: )
Respect! What you did her? :sneaky:

Spookyfish

14-04-2005, 07:59 PM

I didn't think I did anything special, but... Well, she summed it up as the following: the only thing she liked about her upbringing was that she was brought up healthy. That's it. The rest was all "you never let me do anything fun", "always told me what to do", "I hated swordfighting", stuff like that. It made me depressed the rest of the evening, but I thought it was a comic relief that she was shot down in a battle though. I probably hired the guy who did it :ph34r:.

But it does make me question my ability as a parent :wall:

Ah well. I wanted the next one to be a painter, yes, I WANTED her to be a painter, but NO, she wanted to be a DANCER so she could lose to her rival every single time when she could win the art contest at an age of 13. Plus, this one runs away too often :angry:.

:wall:

I must be an incredibly bad parent :D.

another_guest

14-04-2005, 08:26 PM

They don't run away if you include a third vacation or spare time, which is usually enough to lower their stress level to zero. Of course that means you'll have a third less time to teach her.

Spookyfish

14-04-2005, 08:30 PM

That's what I do. If stress is over 10 or something, she runs away :blink:

I liked my first best... She could tolerate over thirty, and she never ever ran away. Weird.

Microprose Veteran

15-04-2005, 01:01 AM

The amount of stress is secondary.

I read that if she doesn't do a job well and doesn't get paid for that reason, that is why she becomes rebellious.

Sent her to work in church regularly at the start. Now I never have runaway problems. :angel:

another_guest

15-04-2005, 07:02 AM

Ah yes, it could be a case of confusing "cause and effect". Since failing to do a job properly would result in high stress levels, I always attributed all problems to stress.
I also think her birth date plays an important role: after all some zodiacal signs give her a rather unstable character in the game, or at least that's what I read in an in-depth FAQ.

Spookyfish

15-04-2005, 09:03 AM

Yeah, I read that too. My first daughter had the same birth-date as her father, and myself in real life. Guess my birthdate is blessed. Some of the dates increase stress by 2 at the end at every month so you can't ever have 0 stress, but most of them alter the child's initial stats and abilities.

Guest

15-04-2005, 09:23 PM

HAHAHA! Mad Eddy is so funny
"Bwahahaha, here you go! 100,000G, bwah ha..."
If only everybody can be like that :cheers:

another_guest

16-04-2005, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Guest@Apr 15 2005, 09:23 PM
HAHAHA! Mad Eddy is so funny
"Bwahahaha, here you go! 100,000G, bwah ha..."
If only everybody can be like that :cheers:
I'd be smiling too, having infinite money to give away :D

Mad Eddy certainly makes the game a lot more interesting. I'm wondering if it's possible to beat the war god without visiting Mad Eddy to speeden up the game.

Guest

16-04-2005, 08:20 AM

I managed to defeat the war god using my first adventuring daughter. Before I knew the Mad Eddy's cheat. It was relatively easy when I used the Elf-Magic trick.

Guest

16-04-2005, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Guest@Mar 26 2005, 08:39 PM
I was wondering, is there nudity in this game? I'm kinda skeptic of downloading these Japanese games...
A bit. In the opening sequence your daughter floats down from the heavens curled up into a ball with no clothes, though it's not nudity in the sense you're worrying about. (Nothing showing)

In-game however some of the outfits are pretty skimpy. You can't equip them until she's 15 though. The Siren robe shows a lot of skin.
Also, a cheat code allows you to buy an undressed-dress, so you'll want to avoid that.

It is made by Gainax after all. ^_^;

Wingman

16-04-2005, 09:20 PM

It will have nudity if you cheat. If you use the Mad Eddy cheat, (press Q, R, N, and F12 at the same time then click on the "take daughter to" butten then go to Eddy's store, you can buy a dress called "undress" (LOL) for 5000G). Bwahahaha

I think underage (by American standard) nudity is pretty common in Japanese media. Someone who knows much about anime told me
With regard to age, the magic numbers in Japan are 10 and 16 whereas the magic numbers in America are 13 and 18 (or 21 in some states). Still, the magic numbers in some countries are 8 and 10.

Guest_guest

23-04-2005, 01:03 AM

how do you get the Valkria sword? i train my melee skill to the max and i still didn't get it?

omg

23-04-2005, 02:20 AM

---- spoiler----------

this is one way o gettin the valkerie sword hold down F12 R and N and Q at the same time then go to the shops an visit mad eddy!! buuut this cheat has kinda ruined the game for a lotta peeps, me included. so when i wanna play i dont use it anymore, an the giant smurf dude is totally right pre teen nudity is sick .....
altho how come when she is 17 she aint got no pubes, i never bought her a razor ...

---- end spoiler ------

Kupo

24-04-2005, 04:59 AM

Heya. ^^ I just downloaded the game. It's really nice and all, but I have a major problem. Whenever I go into the clothing screen, there's no way out. So I can't change her clothes. ^_^;; <---- Sounds like barbies... hehe hee.
I love this game though!
Just how do I fix this?

Microprose Veteran

24-04-2005, 03:47 PM

Tsk tsk tsk... you call yourself a gamer? Try pressing right mouse button.

Valkria sword: just train hard and try to be the best fighter, winning the tournament etc, go adventuring a lot... I have four daughters who became: heroes (2), Royal Guard (2) and only one of them got the Valkria sword.

Anyway, the Katana which you can find on the glacier is much better.

Milla

25-04-2005, 11:14 PM

This game looks really interesting and Cube is so cute :w00t:

Guest_Rosella

28-04-2005, 10:18 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thionks Cube is cute! :P Everyone's freaked out when I keep trying to get my daughter to marry the butler. :whistle: When I played this the first time my daughter became a boring housewife and married a wizard. But she was really good at it and loved me so I guess that's all that matters...right? The Dragon Youth is cute too. I've spent waaaay too long playing this game, it's sad. When my friend played it, her daughter became a prostitute. It turned out, she killed too many furry woodland creatures. :Titan:

TheChosen

29-04-2005, 05:08 AM

When my friend played it, her daughter became a prostitute. It turned out, she killed too many furry woodland creatures.

In other words,she had too much sin.

Rosella500

01-05-2005, 05:28 PM

Originally posted by TheChosen@Apr 29 2005, 05:08 AM
When my friend played it, her daughter became a prostitute. It turned out, she killed too many furry woodland creatures.

In other words,she had too much sin.
In other words, yes.

That said, does anyone know the specific requirements to marry the prince? I can't find it anywhere. All I know is that (obviously) you have to visit the prince every year.

Maria

01-05-2005, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Rosella500@May 1 2005, 05:28 PM
In other words, yes.

That said, does anyone know the specific requirements to marry the prince? I can't find it anywhere. All I know is that (obviously) you have to visit the prince every year.
:sneaky: If you're trying for the 'Queen by Marriage' ending, you'll need at the very least the following stats:

Charisma = 499
Fighting Reputation = 370
Magic Reputation = 370
Social Reputation = 421
Housework Reputation = 370

... and yeah, you have to meet the handsome young officer every year without fail - no excuses! :D

great princess maker resources are:
http://www.kkpmc.net/pm2/pm2.htm
http://www.geocities.com/everythingpm2/
http://princessmaker.maison-otaku.net/
http://pmgateway.8m.com/Princess%20Maker%202.htm
enjoy :ok:

FireFish

04-05-2005, 07:48 PM

I've figured out that your daughter runs away when her sensetivity gets too high. Mine is an artsy type, so that is a constant problem for me. What I can't figure out is what the limiting factor is that prevents her from running away. Any suggestions?

another_guest

04-05-2005, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by FireFish@May 4 2005, 07:48 PM
I've figured out that your daughter runs away when her sensetivity gets too high. Mine is an artsy type, so that is a constant problem for me. What I can't figure out is what the limiting factor is that prevents her from running away. Any suggestions?
Avoid stress, plan trips into town -or even better, vacations- often enough.

TheVoid

04-05-2005, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by FireFish@May 4 2005, 08:48 PM
I've figured out that your daughter runs away when her sensetivity gets too high. Mine is an artsy type, so that is a constant problem for me. What I can't figure out is what the limiting factor is that prevents her from running away. Any suggestions?
Sending her to help in the church will be useful to prevent escapes, as well :)

FireFish

04-05-2005, 10:30 PM

Doesn't work. Delinquincy is a function of stress, but running away is in no way related to stress levels. She can run away even if she's at 0 stress.

I've experimented a bit, and it seems like either Faith or Morality sets the point at which she will run away if her Sensetivity gets too high. It also seems to be a function of Constitution, but I'm not sure what the relationship is.

Milla

05-05-2005, 05:23 AM

With your problem, I have learnt that the chance of your daughter running away increases if you constantly give her freetime on the third part of the month (Yes, it's odd but it supposedly can be a cause)

I've only played a couple of games but it's been varied experiances all the way through. When my brother played a game he decided to give her all the money she needed and tried to shamelessly stress her to death.

It didn't work so he decided to play properly and managed to get the artifacts from Valykira and Fay but because one stupid poetry class she took when she was ten she became a writer :wall: When she could have easily been the best damn adventurer the world has ever seen.

But I (At this point I had taken over the game as I generally do) managed to get her to marry the Prince which was some comfort.

Akira X

05-05-2005, 08:20 AM

i always LOVED the real cute game! It was a nice picture, but i hated to watch my Child becommig a Prostitute :ö(
(i liked the cheat and its possibillities, too!)

FireFish

06-05-2005, 03:04 PM

Now my daughter started whoring herself out as a merchant's mistress...

Where did I go wrong?

Was it selling her off for a dragon's big fat dowry?
Was it making deals with the devil to make her more charismatic?
Was it letting her walk around downtown in the leather dress?

*sigh*

At least I've never killed her, unlike some people here. :whistle:

Corrigan

06-05-2005, 06:39 PM

hey, do anyone, which work is the best for my daugther, is her guardian is Mercury? i know, if it's Mars, th best is general...
my dauther always says that the girl like her are very sensitiv and kind :angel:

Sening

11-05-2005, 06:09 PM

Oh my, I love this game :D my first daugther did not so well, she always run away and ended up to be a housewife, and she hated me :eeeeeh:
Now I had a court magician, who married the prince, a housewife, who married the prince too, and a hero, who married a brave knight <- she was my favorite, cos she was born on the same day, like me :D
And I'm really happy, that I never killed one of them :angel:

JudgeDeadd

14-05-2005, 12:34 PM

My daughter became a merchant's wife. Boring!

TheChosen

31-05-2005, 10:09 AM

How can i make a profit from the barber job?

Guest

02-06-2005, 10:07 AM

First kid became a successful teacher of magic who married a well-mannered knight. Second girl was a fairly good general and she married an intelligent knight.

The game can get a little boring at times, so I think rearing these two was enough for me.

RTPLET

02-06-2005, 07:13 PM

Hahhaa... I was sick and downloaded this game last night, ended up playing til 2 am and played when I woke up again this morning... it's pretty simple and a lot of fun, I thought.

I also found some money cheats later and I'm kind of experimenting with different outcomes I can get.

nyuk

03-06-2005, 11:55 AM

1st... failed... abysmally. 2nd (failed then successful) Dancer, 3rd Thug, 4th Court Magician. Nil marriage but the last one (intelligent wizard... or something...)

TheChosen

12-06-2005, 09:27 AM

Soo frustrating.

Beatrix=She was working in the restaurant. She studied everything,expect magic,fighting,fencing and strategy. She won cooking contest couple of times. She was beatiful and everything. She had many suitors,but she married an intelligent merchant.STILL SHE BECAME AND HOUSEWIFE.

Zelda=he was working in the Church and graveyard. She was studiyng theology,science and protocol. She didnt won any competitions. She wasnt very beatiful and charismatic.She married an knight. SHE BECAME AN HOUSEWIFE.

Sparticus

13-06-2005, 11:58 PM

Ok first if you ever want your duaghter to become something other than a housewife without cheating(we'll get into cheating a bit later).Then id suggest you get her a steady job(mind you not a job that contradicts her studies...i/e dont have her work at a a bar then turn around and have her study protocol).So the first thing you have to have in mind is what you want her to be,then give her a job that helps build her traits that go hand in hand with that ultimate goal.Id say the best profession to start out with is training your daughter in fighting.And it is my recommendation that all start their first game like this.Then you would put her into farm work(hint dont change her into the lumberjack cus after working at the farmers for so long they will raise your salary steadily,ive gotten mine up to 22g b4 the end)then you would need to have your daughter study fighting first(obviously),then id also recommend magic,even though you want her to be a fighter magic is so valuable too cus its hardly possible to block a magic attack for the NPC's for some reason,minor glitch the programmers missed i guessed.Anyways after shes good have her fight in the tournaments(very easy way to earn money is through tournaments cus you earn money by every match one not just by gettting 1st 2nd or 3rd.Then have her adventure and when shes 18 you should have her nice and built up,voila your a good father.Its always good to remember that when your daughter is delinquent NEVER have her work(also applies when shes sick)cus shell get sick and if shes already sick then shell possibly die.Id recommend(and you might think im mad but its always worked beautifully for me)that you have your daughter have at least 1 part of each month as free time(always make the freetime at the last part of the month)and if she's really stressed out give her money to reduce it quicker.Also a good tip for those who want a slim diet.Instead of starving her on a weight loss or slim down diet,keep her on a normal diet.....and the key to losing weight after that is simple.There are three months that when you go on a vacation your daughter loses weight just by being on vacation.And these three months are june july and august(and maybe september cant be for sure but im almost positive that its not)now keep in mind that shell only lose weight if she goes to the beach.DO NOT GO TO THE MOUNTAINS IF YOU WANT HER TO LOSE WEIGHT.Cus good chance that if you hit the mountains in the wrong month shell gain weight.Now to lose maximum weight have her visit the beach during those months 3 times a month for 1 or 2 months.(itll cost you a pretty penny but its worth it to fit into thoses dresses)Now for the cheating.Id recommend you not do this unless its for one reason cus honestly cheating isnt fun in this game.SO if you want to see ALL the endings do this.Have your duaghter go to town.and then press q,r,n,and f12 all at once.it only takes once.then exit town.then return.youll notice that there are now 2 more shops.These 2 shops allow you do anything from getting pretty much infinite money,to buying ulimited buxomize pills to seeing all endings.all you have to do now is click set ending(then click the desired endind) and after that click end game.And voila all the endings at your fingertips.my personal favorites are the princess of darkness and princess.its also really fun to add in special marriages too.you can have her marry the servant of her father or of course the prince.So in the name of all great games. HAVE FUN AND ENJOY.hope this mightve helped everyone alittle bit.and sry for the length

Sparticus

14-06-2005, 12:01 AM

Ok hint if you dont want a house wife then dont have her work in a resturaunt and win cooking contestsand whatnot.Ive had a girl who worked at a resturaunt the whole game become a high class prostitute.Its all about the stats.there are many sites that offer the stats required for each possible ending id suggest you gloss over a few to get the basic idea.

MadMarius

17-06-2005, 12:22 PM

nice game....too bad it is so short..plaied for 3 days an about 2 hours evry day and finished it.very nice...but the part that ennoys me the most is that she starts running away from home from the ages 16+..and on her birthday. :wall: ...and in February when she has to meet with that guy at the castle.... :wall: ...never maid a fighter out of it...just a happy housewife. :Titan:

Kaje

27-06-2005, 04:59 PM

I generally jump at the chance to play simulation games like this, but the first time I heard of PM2 was at Something Awful...hardly a glowing recommendation and it made me avoid the game.

I came across it again while browsing here, decided to give it a chance, and wow, I'm glad I did! VERY addictive game. :) (In fact I have to wonder if the Something Awful guy was even playing the same one, or if he was just on mind-altering chemicals of some sort...)

The first time I just messed around seeing what the different choices did and wound up with a dance instructor with too low of a constitution to ever be very successful, though the second time I started to get the hang of things and tried to make her bratty and evil. She got arrested, stole from me to buy dresses, lazed off at work, and eventually became a prostitute. :D (I don't know what it says about me that I have so much fun trying to ruin the girl's life...)

Next time around I used the Mad Eddy cheat to get money to keep her at school and on vacations without having to work. She eventually won the dance, cooking, and painting competition, occasionally worked at the caberet but still had extremely high refinement, charisma, and sensitivity, chatted with all the people at the palace...and still became a prostitute. :( I admit I was hoping for a more manipulative or powerful evil sort, but from the tips I've read on this board maybe I should get the next one into adventuring?

lulo_spawn

19-07-2005, 05:59 AM

What could you not love about this game? Many players, as I've read already, ended up loving their princess. Same happened with me. I'm actually too soft about it and I cannot bring myself to send her to the sleazy bar. The game presents features I have never seen before. I've played it over a hundred times already and I'm still missing a few endings. My first experience with the game was kinda crossy. I fumbled so much that she ended up in love with me. Consider I didn't knew the game's posibilities. So after all the work I find myself with this ending saying "typical goddamn sick japanese SOBs" and turned the thing off. A few weeks later I played it again almost bored to death and MAN! It was a completely different game. This time she fought and fought and adventured. She became a general, all the same. I got kinda pissed because I couldn't beat the war god, so I played again. This time I beat him, but I became aware of the cat eye thingy and tried to figure that out. Long story short, I played that confounded game from 20 to 15.

Nooke

27-07-2005, 11:41 AM

74 endings :blink:! I got maybe 3 so i guess there's a helluva lot of work ahead of me ;).
I found PM1 for SNES sometime somewhere and kept getting the dancer ending. Maybe cause i didn't know what i was doing or maybe i wasn't cheating (y'know, call me a wimp but i can't get anywhere with the money i'm getting. A month of work gets me like a day of school and i'm supposed to rule with that progress). I cretainly laughed at the concept of what i called at the time "boob erlargment pills". But after i looked at the site with endings and i found stuff like bondage queen or hi/lo class prostitute nothing will surprise me anymore.

Yuni Teh Ebil

31-07-2005, 12:15 AM

Hey. I'm the one who asked if the game would be "appropriate" for me. LOL. Well, this game is totally awesome! I'm so glad I tried it! On my first three, they were all housewives *two married cube, one never married* and my 4th was a magic teacher who married cube! I'm gonna try hard to get her a lot better job this time! And are there any other requirements other than visit the prince every january to marry him?

Milla

31-07-2005, 02:31 AM

You need at least 30 (?) in morals and your popularity at a certain point.

mynamesrob

02-08-2005, 05:00 AM

i think ive played this game all the way through 100 times just out of curiosity did anyone else get there daughter to be the queen of the demons that one was cool

Yuni Teh Ebil

10-08-2005, 06:23 PM

Me again! ^_^ I just wanted to say thanks to all the people who answered my questions and I have a few more *LOL*. How do you raise morality? My daughter always doesn't get married or marries cube. My other question is that a man comes around about 2 times a year and asks my daughter to dinner. The first time, she agreed to go with the man, and she was in love (the last box under the gold amount) for a few years. She slept in her classes without any stress, then one day it just disappeared. So is your daughter being in love just a disadvantage, or is there an advantage to it? Oh, and when he comes now she refuses :P

Yuni Teh Ebil

11-08-2005, 02:54 PM

...alrighty So, sorry if this is a bit off topic of a question but...Do you guys have limits on images in siggies? (aka how big they are or how often you use them?) And also, My stupid daughter was supposed to be a dancer *i didn't want her to be* the whole game, and her stats were uber high, like...500's in all her reputations and everything social-like was maxed out, plus a lot of other stats were maxed out...and she became a WRITER! an unmarried one! . So...is it just totally random when stuff like that happens or is there something I'm doing wrong? Oh, and she had low sensitivity because my last daughter kept running away because of it

Edit: I took out the smilies...there were like a 5. and it drives me crazy that every time i type l*o*l it turns into a smilie! Gr!

Guest

12-08-2005, 12:52 AM

Whoops if i'm a guest, but I must say, I figured this to be 'just' a time-killer, as the review said... In the last 24 hours, i've spent over... what... 15 hours playing it... And I already plan to spend more time playing it. Its addictive... I highly reccomend this game.

Natso

12-08-2005, 02:11 PM

Well i'm a member now, last post was my post.. BTW awesome smileys you got here...

Last night I hacked the save states of the game, pretty much maxxed out all her stats while shes 10 years old, I can change her age(so the game could last forever), And i can partially edit items(will finish mapping their layout soon). Also found how to give tons of money. Did anybody else here know that the programmers programmed in an 'invisible dress' so it actually showed her undressed? Surprised me too. I'm gonna make a program so that you can run it on a save state and select whatcha want done to it, and it can give you free items and tons of money upon will.

Anyways, Later.

another_guest

12-08-2005, 03:36 PM

Most of these changes can be made already by visiting Mad Eddy's shop. Maybe except for the age change, I'm not sure about that.
Of course it's more fun to have it figured out all by yourself :)

The Fifth Horseman

12-08-2005, 04:08 PM

I have a tool, called MSG. It was specially designed to do such changes and creating stand-alone editors, so if you want you can give me your notes on what offset is responsible for what and I'll script the editor.

Natso

12-08-2005, 05:47 PM

In the words of Green Day... "I walk alone".

I do most of the stuff by myself when I hack, and I can create my own programs and stuff... However come to think of it I might just work with you(im lazy, dats my weakness). Lemmie type up a document... I still haven't figured out the item properties, best to do is just take the data and give it as taken... Though I know already how to rename an item(up to 256 chars in length)... can your MSG do that?

Anyways...

[insert smart comment here... i can't think of any right now]

Later

Gamefreak

12-08-2005, 08:49 PM

Actually there's already a build-in cheat in the game, with which you can get all the items already, including the undressing dress, did you know that already? Why create an editor then? Waste of time... :whistle:

Natso

12-08-2005, 08:54 PM

But you can set the stats exactly how you want them, etc, and also, the cheats is a little buggy, ya know? Besides, you can't rename items using the in-game cheats. ^_^

Amayirot Akago

14-08-2005, 08:22 PM

A great game! Very original concept; them Japanese really know how to create original games.

However, I just can't seem to make enough money for my lil' girl. She never seems to do well at jobs, and thus I never have enough money to send her to school either. Any help?

Gamefreak

14-08-2005, 10:25 PM

The more she works in one job, the better she becomes. And participating in the torunaments is the source of good income. So let her study for art or fighting or dancing, and the money will slowly, but surely come.

Natso

15-08-2005, 05:26 PM

Haha I find the cooking tournament is always easy to win(i beat them by 300 points minimum, once by almost 900 points) and I get 3000 credits. As long as she works at some place, schools one time, and one free time every month, the 3000 lasts the whole year.

The Fifth Horseman

17-08-2005, 12:52 PM

can your MSG do that?
Depends. It can insert bytes into a file (altough it takes long to do so), but cannot shorten files. If the object records and their name tags are of fixed lengths (where after the ASCII in the name tag there are some "marker bytes"), then it will all be nice and clean. Otherwise might cause certain trouble (though I am quite prepared to at least TRY dealing with them).

The Fifth Horseman

29-08-2005, 12:16 PM

As you might know, together with Natso I am working on hacking the heart out of the savegame data... however, as the translation is incomplete, a lot of possibly crucial information is unlabeled, making it impossible to uncover its meaning.

If any one of you here has got the original non-translated version of PM2, can I ask for telling me a few thing? In particular, I'd like to ask about the data tags displayed on the following pages at Mad Eddy's:
-Event Flags , top window lines 1 & 3, whole bottom and left windows
-Event Flags 2, Page 1, whole top, left and bottom windows
-Event flags 2, Page 2, left window line 4
-Event Flags 2, Page 3, whole top and bottom windows
-Event Occurences, top window lines 1 & 2, left window lines 3, 6 & 8, bottom window lines 1, 2, 4 & 8
-Event Occurences 2, whole left and bottom windows

If you are able to help me by telling me what they are, please do so. The more I know about this information, the more powerful the savegame editor will be in the end.

Amayirot Akago

01-09-2005, 07:32 PM

Well, so far I've finished it once with my girlie Kiyomi (named her after my favourite girl in Season of Sakura, a classic Hentai game) who ended up as a soldier and (as the epilogue stated) went on to become captain of the Forest Patrol.

Right now I'm going for the second time, and my current daughter Anne has got some pretty peculiar mood swings... she's mostly doing babysitting right now, and every now and then (when the finances allow it) she learns some protocol. However, she runs away quite often, and also becomes delinquent and/or sick frequently, though not for very long. Just what is going on here?

Maybe she keeps running away to sneak off with some boyfriend I know nothing about....

Solara

29-09-2005, 02:54 AM

Does she have high sensitivity? I think that's one of the factors that makes her more likely to run away. Try having her work at some of the places that lower it.

Guest

02-10-2005, 03:39 PM

OK. I have not read the whole post for PM2, so I don't know if anyone wrote. If it is like that: Sorry.

I played the game about one year ago, after I found it at The-underdogs.org.
I finally stopped playing because you can cheat quite easily.
If you take a Hex Editor and compare two savegames, you will stumble about the stats for your princess eventually. Set them all to 999 and the game is no challenge at all.
Also if try hexing, you can change the cloth of your princess including one thing i was never able to get in the game (looks like sth. evil). Also you can get her naked with only the necktie on...

The Fifth Horseman

03-10-2005, 03:24 PM

To the guest: there is at least one hexing FAQ on PM2, altough it only covers basic stats.

I have an unfinished version of something far, FAR more advanced. Been working on that together with Natso, but didn't have time to get it 100% finished. The editor can change also an insane number of "hidden" stats, but not equipment (yet).

Ramidel

04-10-2005, 06:51 AM

Okay. For running away, your sensitivity is generally over 400-500. In other words, your girl has gone hippie and is spending most of her time in a nature commune smoking weed. :)

Shelley

04-10-2005, 01:00 PM

I've managed to make my princess into the RULING QUEEN!!! :angel: (and mary the prince) WITHOUT using cheats.... :Brain:

Shelley

12-10-2005, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Yuni Teh Ebil@Aug 10 2005, 06:23 PM
How do you raise morality? My daughter always doesn't get married or marries cube. My other question is that a man comes around about 2 times a year and asks my daughter to dinner. The first time, she agreed to go with the man, and she was in love (the last box under the gold amount) for a few years. She slept in her classes without any stress, then one day it just disappeared. So is your daughter being in love just a disadvantage, or is there an advantage to it? Oh, and when he comes now she refuses :P
Well, every time your daughter works at the church, her morality increases. It doesn't pay much but it will (most of the time) keep your kid decent :D Also, it reduces sin.
If she has a high enough intelligence, you can let her work as a tutor and this wil also increase her morals, though it takes away some charisma.
If she works at the sleazy bar however, her morals will go down!! (so, better don't let her work there then... ey? :angel: )

I've experienced some times when my daughter has very high morals, I believe over 200 or 300 and more, some demon will occasionaly come to you (the father) and say he lives on other persons morals, and as your daughter has a high moralstandard, he will offer money in exchange for morals. It's up to you to decide what's best for your daughter of course... :whistle:

Also, on other moments in the game, some older rich guy 'follows' your daughter after she comes from school or work, and will aks her to be his 'mistress'....in exchange for a lot of money.... But, if she has enough morals (i believe at least 100, but don't kill me if i'm wrong) she will say that 'she's not that kind of girl' and will refuse.... bummer if you're down on money... haha :bleh:

Shelley

12-10-2005, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by Amayirot Akago@Sep 1 2005, 07:32 PM

Right now I'm going for the second time, and my current daughter Anne has got some pretty peculiar mood swings... she's mostly doing babysitting right now, and every now and then (when the finances allow it) she learns some protocol. However, she runs away quite often, and also becomes delinquent and/or sick frequently, though not for very long. Just what is going on here?

Maybe she keeps running away to sneak off with some boyfriend I know nothing about....
Keep her stress level DOWN!! Send her off to town every month...

Also, the higher her constitution level, the more stress she can take... So if you let her work for example at the farm, her constitution will raise, though her refinement drops, but you could let her work a lot at the farm (even though she stinks at it the first months!) for the first few years and later on, when you're sure you won't need to let her work at the farm anymore, try to raise her refinement again.... (for example, follow protocol or poetry at school...)

If her stresslevel is REALLY skyhigh, you could send her off to town WITH pocketmoney when you are asked for this, it will lower her stress considerably!! :ok:

Shelley

12-10-2005, 09:09 AM

Originally posted by TheChosen@May 31 2005, 10:09 AM
How can i make a profit from the barber job?
To let her work succesfully at the salon, try to raise her sensitivity first (buy some poetrybooks or dolls, they increase sensitivity),
or let her work a couple of times at the graveyard or babysitting, this also increases her sensitivity... (So don't let her do housework after these efforts, because that takes sensitivity away!!)

Also, she doesn't need strength, it decreases when working at the salon, so keep that in mind... :whistle:

After a while she'll be good at being a hairdresser! aaaaww... :bleh:

Shelley

12-10-2005, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Spookyfish@Apr 15 2005, 09:03 AM
Yeah, I read that too. My first daughter had the same birth-date as her father, and myself in real life. Guess my birthdate is blessed. Some of the dates increase stress by 2 at the end at every month so you can't ever have 0 stress, but most of them alter the child's initial stats and abilities.
It also has to do with the bloodtype you give your daughter...

If you give her type A, it will increase her morals every month, BUT also her stresslevel will go up by 2 points every end of the month...

If you give her type B, will make her stresslevel go down by 2 points every end of the month.... So you can have a happy smiling daughter, aaaaaaaaaaawww!! :D

Ramidel

20-10-2005, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Shelley@Oct 12 2005, 08:44 AM
Keep her stress level DOWN!! Send her off to town every month...

If her stresslevel is REALLY skyhigh, you could send her off to town WITH pocketmoney when you are asked for this, it will lower her stress considerably!! :ok:
Actually, early on, time is money, town trips are not money. Resource management is one of the keys to PM2, and money and stress reduction are resources.

I personally like to use dolls in the early game as stress reduction, along with lots of farm and church work, in lieu of free time. My reasoning's as follows (this is assuming you're trying for a high-ranking position such as Hero, Princess of Darkness or Bondage Queen, or another path that requires resource management):

1. The first year, hoarding money is necessary, though using it is not so important. You need to be ready to get her an education so by 12 at the oldest (usually while she's 11) she begins adventuring, which is the only way to go if you want lots and lots of cash (one trip into the desert, fighting skeletons at the Hell Hole, can net up to about 5000 gold). Therefore, a doll's selling price is effectively hoarded cash.
2. You need to farm to build constitution, which is probably the most important attribute in the game (affecting HP, physical resistance to stress, and Dancing), as well as Strength and cash to boot. Church work is also necessary to resist stress. This, of course, takes time.
3. Therefore, it's normally better to spend that week you would have spent in town on farming, and doll yourself up to keep stress down. First October, you can sell some dolls and use the Harvest Festival to rest down that stress.

Some math to back this up.
One tenday ("week" from now on) of farming, assuming no screwups (and if she screws up a farm job, either she's starting weak or you're doing something wrong): 8.5 days times 15g: 127.5g, 25.5 stress gained.
One doll: Selling price 60g-buying price 120g=-60g, -40 stress.
One week free time (no money involved yet): -50 stress.
So a week of farming can effectively pay for two dolls, reducing stress by 64.5, which is more than a week without pocket money.

Free Time Pocket Money: -100g, -50 stress. Compare this to just buying a doll with that money instead: -60g for -40 stress.

"But isn't this just saving a huge stressload for later?" No, it isn't, assuming you develop a bit of sensitivity (and you must develop sensitivity to maximize efficiency later, anyway). Sell all the dolls at once, while carrying a terrible burden of 200 stress or so (as high as you can get without delinquency or sickness), then take a trip to the lake for cooking lessons in the first week. Voila, all the stress is quickly gotten rid of.

Princess Maker 4

24-10-2005, 01:01 PM

hiya!! just a princess maker Fanatic passing by..

to all those people who have problems w/ linindex or something.. heres the solution.. (it happend 2 me.. and i manage 2 solve it by..)

OPen the zip file of princess Maker.. look for the LIBINDEX file and extract it to ur PM2 folder.. and just incase an error occurs like saying it doesnt support d0s.. just read it.. and i think it will tell u how to play it...

BTW.. does anyone know where can i download PM1, PM3 and the other PM4 not the ps2 one... ( I really lyk the PM4 ps2 ver.. it's really pretty and cool!!! ^_^)

Ramidel

30-10-2005, 08:15 AM

And, I get to revise my opinion on a lot of my advice. In particular, for those who are going all the way for Queen, early money is more valuable than late money. The reason, of course, is the Chinese Orc, who seems to come early rather than late, and provides goods otherwise unattainable except through Mad Eddy, most importantly the Demon Pendant. (Extra Magic Attack+100 Refinement and Charisma=tasty.)

This doesn't rule out dolls, of course: they're certainly better than pocket money. What it means is that dolls no longer really count as stored money, so farming is no longer the way to stress relief: that honor belongs to free time again.

El Quia

31-10-2005, 03:10 PM

A lot of time ago, a friend of mine talk to me about this game and showed it to me. At first I thought it was some kind of girly game, and something like a pervert tamagochi. But boy, we get hooked really fast to the game.
Some time later, I found this game and downloaded it, and I played it a lot of times, and my daughters where a lot of thing, from beatifull bride to general, and a lot of the magician endings. I loved the game.
Then one day a lost a lot of CDs to the sun, and in one of them was my back-up with the game. I searched for it, but no luck. And the last week I reached this site looking for the DOS version of Colonization, and browsing the list of games I found it. I couldn't believe it and I downloaded it, and againg I was playing it almost non stop.
And the second daughter I raise, becomes something of a deception. I don't get it: I made her take a lot of fighting (and fencing) classes, she worked as a lumberjack a lot, she had 500 and something of fighter reputation, she taked part of the combat tournament at every harvest festival (and she won them all since 14 or 15, I don't remember it correctly), SHE DEFEATED THE WAR GOD, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! But no, still she became an artist. I really really don't understand. I believe that filthy art professor has the fault, she always looked at her in a dirty way. I think I will have a little "talk" with that guy... :karate: :hammer: :butcher:
I have nothing against the artist class, but I raised her as an adventurer, prificient with magic but above all thing a warrior. And she became an artist. Well, at least she didn't became a lowlife.
Yeah, this game is good, really really good. And I thank to the guy (or gal) responsible for this game to be available on this site, for letting me have this wonderfull game again. By the way, How can I make her marry with Cube or me? I read it here that is possible, but I don't know how. I always ended with something of a poor relationship with her (she doesn't hate me, just that the final score never goes above 20-30 for neither of us. And I always talk to her and that).
And If you don't know if download this game and are reading this, I tell you: download it, you won't regret it.

P.S.: BTW, I am not a native english speaker. Please, forgive my bad grammar and spelling.

Ramidel

31-10-2005, 11:30 PM

Use the Beta Shop?:)

It gives you a setup that will -do- it, but the beta shop requirements are but one possible set of variables. I've never managed to get it through my own efforts, I think that's because you usually get the best marriage you can, and father-daughter is not as good as a knight, say, let alone the Prince.

Anyone know a pattern that will get you Cube or Father marriage?

Gamefreak

01-11-2005, 07:15 AM

Just care as much for your daughter, and don't let her work as much, but a little, like in the church. That requires that you have enough money available, so it's a hard way. Talk with your daughter daily, always buy her dolls or other things for birthday, and not only then but also at some days. Spend often holidays with her, those that are more fitting to the time of the year, and let her more free time.
In other words, indulge her and fill her time with your presence, but don't be too allowing to her, either. It's still hard to make her to start to love you, you would need to be not too old but more to her age, and the birthdays play a role too, the horoscopical fitting. But you'll surely find the thin right line ;)

Claus

01-11-2005, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Ramidel@Nov 1 2005, 12:30 AM
Anyone know a pattern that will get you Cube or Father marriage?
There is one sure way to get her to marry Cube, but it is a bit extreme.

If your daughter loses from one of the "bandits" (there is one in the mountains,
lake and plains), there is a chance he'll try to rape her. In that case, Cube comes
and saves your daughter. Each time he does this, the cube/daughter relationship
raises tremendously. Do it a few times for a guaranteed cube/daughter marriage.

The positions of the bandits are:
Plains - inside the ring of stones, near the end of the area (keep jumping in and out
of the whole that leads to the slim milk)

Lake - walk around the big flower

Mountains - Try going to the house where they say "there is no one here"

To get the lake bandit, you must defeat the plains bandit, and to get the mountain bandit,
you must defeat the lake bandit. I think.

Aurianna

02-11-2005, 03:51 PM

By the way, How can I make her marry with Cube or me? I read it here that is possible, but I don't know how. I always ended with something of a poor relationship with her (she doesn't hate me, just that the final score never goes above 20-30 for neither of us. And I always talk to her and that).

To Marry Cube:
If you don't want to lose to bandits, or it's so late in the game and you're so strong that you can't anymore, this is what I did:
I can't remember if it took two whole months or not. I didn't really care about the lost time because I was only trying to have her marry cube. But yeah:
Make sure you have at least two different weapons.
Then, slate her for nothing but adventuring for two months. As soon as she starts the adventure, have her camp and equip. Pick the weapon that you don't have on you, then rest. Cube will bring it and your daughter will think that's so nice of him. Then camp again, and equip the other sword. Repeat until you have to go home. It's tedious, but every time he brings you a weapon, your relationship goes up with him by a couple of points (never sure where it was between 1 and 5).
Other ways in general fall for Cube is losing to anyone on adventuring (though, yes, bandits make the score go way up), being sick and having him take care of you... and I think MAYBE being supervised by him when your daugther is a deliquent. Not sure on that one, though.

To Gain relationship with father:
Vacations! Talking every month. Scolding IF she's delinquent. Always buying her birthday presents.
I think these things make your relationship go down: Letting her have free time at the end of the month (rather than in the middle of the month, or a vacation), Her running away (and possibly being a delinquent too long). And I think I've also noticed that if you make her participate in a festival that isn't with her rival, your relationship goes down a little as well.
However, yeah, I've never had them marry. So, I think that your daughter being too awesome keeps her from marrying you. The two times I ended with a 100 relationship with her (and heard constant comments from her like "I want to marry you when I grow up"), she was a Warrior Hero, and then a Ruling Queen, and she married a genius knight both times.

But no, still she became an artist. I really really don't understand.

I think this is because of one of two problems. The first one is easy enough to fix.

1. You won the art contest at least once, and still have the Master Brush(es).
I'm not exactly sure how the game decides your daughter's future, but I think it has to do with the highest stat she has, or maybe the highest stat she has in her best reputation.
If you happen to have her saved right before you schedule her, or near that time, if you pawn her paint brush, maybe her ending will be different. :)

2. You visited the art faeries in the woods a little too much. If that's the case, then her art may be too high to do anything about.
Does anyone else know if her job is decided by her highest stat, or if it's her highest stat in her best reputation?
If it's her highest stat in her best reputation, then what you'd need to do is get her social reputation lower than her fighting reputation. This can be done to some extent, even on her birthday.
Have her talk to the Jester if you can. Make sure she's equipped with the very best weapons you have.
Now... if you have the royal sword, you could sell it. She'll lose 30 social rep, but also 30 fighter rep. You can get back the figher rep by either cheating and buying Dragon Claws from Eddy's, or by going into town constantly and hoping random people challenge her.

Ok, here is my question. I heard that you can become someone's mistress while she's still under 18 and he'll pay her every month for her "services." I thought this would be fun, so I put my girl with already 800+ Charisma in the sleazy bars and cabaret when she was 16. By the time she became 17, yes, she became someone's mistress.
Then, in May of her last year (Her birthday was in October, so 7 months before she grew up), after working in the cabaret, some young guy approached her and asked if she wanted to go to dinner. She said yes, and it said they went off together or something, and then... you know those little icons that have like, her weapon, her armor, if she's sick and if she's delinquent? There's one more, and it's on the far right, and after she went to dinner with this guy, it turned into a heart and said "love."
This icon stayed until the start of September (her second to last month).
I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else, getting the little heart.
And also, if it has, has it lasted anyone to the day where she did grow up, and if so, does it affect her marraige at all?

All right. I've babbled long enough, me thinks. :) Hope I answered someone's question, and maybe someone has an answer for one of my own. :)

-Auri

Ramidel

03-11-2005, 06:46 AM

Hm. Did anything in particular happen in the few months before the heart vanished?

Guest_Yuni Teh Ebil

03-11-2005, 10:32 PM

I've had it before (the heart/love icon), but nothing happened. I asked here about it, and they told me some things back some pages. What I think it is is that it's actually a bad thing, because sometimes she'll reject him and say, "No, I have to go home. My father wouldn't want me to go." Or something like that, but she references you in what she says to him, so I think she is sorta disobeying you if she goes with him. I also noticed when she had the love icon she didn't pay attention in class or work properly or listen much at all, so she probably needs discipline or something.

Aurianna

04-11-2005, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by Ramidel@Nov 3 2005, 07:46 AM
Hm. Did anything in particular happen in the few months before the heart vanished?
Not really. I didn't do anything differently than I had before. I was still the other guy's mistress. I was still working in the Cabaret. I took her to the beach a couple of times that summer.
I thought maybe it was the fact that her sin topped 500 the month the heart went away, but I went back to the previous month and got rid of a bunch of sin, so it still happened, so that wasn't the reason.

I read a few pages back that someone also had the in love heart. Does anyone know how this is triggered in the first place? Does it only happen if she has high charisma or sensitivity... are sins and morals also factors?
Does being in love do anything? I really just want to know what happens if you're in love at the very end. But maybe the game is set so that can't happen.

Now I want to be really ambitious and look at the files and see what makes the game tick. Too bad I don't have foxpro. Bah.

carlson

06-11-2005, 09:53 AM

hay ya'all..i wuz wonderin...izzit possible to get married before the age of 18? cuz i used the cheat to get perfume right at the beginning of the game so she got proposals even though shes only 10 and wen i click accept she protests and sez she doesnt want to marry someone she doesnt know

El Quia

06-11-2005, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Aurianna@Nov 2 2005, 04:51 PM
I think this is because of one of two problems. The first one is easy enough to fix.

1. You won the art contest at least once, and still have the Master Brush(es).
I'm not exactly sure how the game decides your daughter's future, but I think it has to do with the highest stat she has, or maybe the highest stat she has in her best reputation.
If you happen to have her saved right before you schedule her, or near that time, if you pawn her paint brush, maybe her ending will be different. :)

2. You visited the art faeries in the woods a little too much. If that's the case, then her art may be too high to do anything about.
Does anyone else know if her job is decided by her highest stat, or if it's her highest stat in her best reputation?
If it's her highest stat in her best reputation, then what you'd need to do is get her social reputation lower than her fighting reputation. This can be done to some extent, even on her birthday.
Have her talk to the Jester if you can. Make sure she's equipped with the very best weapons you have.
Now... if you have the royal sword, you could sell it. She'll lose 30 social rep, but also 30 fighter rep. You can get back the figher rep by either cheating and buying Dragon Claws from Eddy's, or by going into town constantly and hoping random people challenge her.

Ok, here is my question. I heard that you can become someone's mistress while she's still under 18 and he'll pay her every month for her "services." I thought this would be fun, so I put my girl with already 800+ Charisma in the sleazy bars and cabaret when she was 16. By the time she became 17, yes, she became someone's mistress.
Then, in May of her last year (Her birthday was in October, so 7 months before she grew up), after working in the cabaret, some young guy approached her and asked if she wanted to go to dinner. She said yes, and it said they went off together or something, and then... you know those little icons that have like, her weapon, her armor, if she's sick and if she's delinquent? There's one more, and it's on the far right, and after she went to dinner with this guy, it turned into a heart and said "love."
This icon stayed until the start of September (her second to last month).
I was wondering if this has happened to anyone else, getting the little heart.
And also, if it has, has it lasted anyone to the day where she did grow up, and if so, does it affect her marraige at all?

All right. I've babbled long enough, me thinks. :) Hope I answered someone's question, and maybe someone has an answer for one of my own. :)

-Auri
I have never won the art contest, but I have send her to a couple of art classes (because she was working as a mason, and she sucked), and the second class she painted a painting (I still don't know why a let her do that), but that was when she still was a little girl. ?Maybe that had something to do with it? And yes, she visited the art fairies a lot, because I wanted her to burn off some big stress without her losing constitution (and without her gaining cooking skill). Her art skill was her highest skill (I've checked the savegame) but for a few point, and her social reputatios was way too low (Both her fighter reputation and magician reputation were higher, and by a lot of points). So, I don't know what to think.

And with another girl I had her being a woman (I wanted one of the "bad" endings) and she worked at the sleazy bar a lot. She became someone mistress by 16 if I remember it right, and she too became in love with a guy who invited her to dinner, and was in love to her 18th birthday (but he never appeared again, at least not on-screen ;-)), but she disn't marry anyone. Her guardian god said that it was because of her low morality (it was 0 :D ). I don't know what could have happened if her morality wasn't so low....

Ramidel

07-11-2005, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by El Quia@Nov 6 2005, 03:21 PM
And yes, she visited the art fairies a lot, because I wanted her to burn off some big stress without her losing constitution (and without her gaining cooking skill).
The art fairies take away constitution, the cooking fairies don't.

El Quia

08-11-2005, 03:28 AM

Originally posted by Ramidel+Nov 7 2005, 02:20 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ramidel @ Nov 7 2005, 02:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-El Quia@Nov 6 2005, 03:21 PM
And yes, she visited the art fairies a lot, because I wanted her to burn off some big stress without her losing constitution (and without her gaining cooking skill).
The art fairies take away constitution, the cooking fairies don't. [/b][/quote]
He!, I get them mixed up. Well, I guess I tried to not gain too much cooking and visited the art fairies to still get the stress reduction. :crazy: Thanks for the correction.
But still, she was a cool fighter and a mediocre magician, and the other reputatios where way too low. I guess I will try it again, without visiting the fairies too much nor painting any picture... if only I could find the time...

JonoPike

08-11-2005, 05:52 PM

It's a charming little game :)

My first became a housewife that married Cube
The second became a mercenary that never married
The third became a general who never married.

The fourth annihalated everything in her way, including the War God, and was the tops in both combat and magic. She became a Hero, but was so powerful that there was nothing in the world of adventure to challenge her, and she became arrogant of herself. She returned home disappointed, but married an intelligent knight.

--

I find the combat/warrior route far far easier than the refinement/high society route. When she gets a job as a hairdresser, she buggers off from time to time, which the warrior ones never did.

Guest

09-11-2005, 11:36 AM

I guess I will try it again, without visiting the fairies too much nor painting any picture...

You can have her paint pictures, just as long as at the end of the game (or earlier, if you prefer) you sell off her master brush. If not, her art goes sky high. Even with the faeries visit, if her art isn't above 109, she's probably ok, because chances are, with armor and such, her other fighting skills will be higher. It's when her art or cookie is like... 130 that there's a problem. I had a lot of artists and skilled dancers before I figured out my problem. ;)

I find the combat/warrior route far far easier than the refinement/high society route. When she gets a job as a hairdresser, she buggers off from time to time, which the warrior ones never did.

Heh, yeah, from the sound of your past daughters, you don't focus too much on morality (bah... you get paid nothing at that church), and then you add the sensitivity from the hairdessing... bah. low morality + high sensitivity = I hate that little runaway brat!!!

I had an arrogant hero once. Glad to know I'm not the only one. I think it's silly that the game punishes you for being too good. Or was it because some random variable I had wasn't high enough? Like morality or faith? Hmmm. Sometime I'd REALLY like to look at the code for this game.

Ramidel

09-11-2005, 11:34 PM

High cooking is usually not a problem either, even if it's your highest skill. Reason being: there's two housework endings. Maid is a sign that you did nothing whatsoever, and Domestic Training requires 421+ HW rep.

Shelley

10-11-2005, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by El Quia@Nov 6 2005, 03:21 PM
And with another girl I had her being a woman (I wanted one of the "bad" endings) and she worked at the sleazy bar a lot. She became someone mistress by 16 if I remember it right, and she too became in love with a guy who invited her to dinner, and was in love to her 18th birthday (but he never appeared again, at least not on-screen ;-)), but she disn't marry anyone. Her guardian god said that it was because of her low morality (it was 0 :D ). I don't know what could have happened if her morality wasn't so low....
The same thing happened to me, she was "in love" till the very end of the game, but she didn't mary, because of her low morals (about 11).
Fortunately, I saved the game just after she met this 'dinner-guy',so she got the 'Love icon',(she was still a mistress aswell), but from then on I only let her work at the church for the remaining half year, to boost up her morals again.
I got her to stop being a mistress of that older rich guy, but she still had the 'Love' icon 'till the very end, though you never see the 'dinner-guy' again, at least, I didn't.

When she grew up, her ending was slightly different! She DID get married, but not with that 'dinner-guy' or anything, she just married a clever knight... :blink: Her morals were 'only' 41... Oh well...

Aurianna

11-11-2005, 09:34 PM

Fortunately, I saved the game just after she met this 'dinner-guy',so she got the 'Love icon',(she was still a mistress aswell), but from then on I only let her work at the church for the remaining half year, to boost up her morals again.

This is random... but in case you ever save right before you make her grow up, and her morals are too low to get married. If you have enough money, and buy the spikey dress and put it on her, then immediately take it off, she'll suddenly have 30 morals. If you're using the cheats, you can do the same with the demon dress, but instead get 100.

It's a handy little trick.

Nosmo

12-11-2005, 12:36 AM

I played this game for a number of years, then i lost it ti a hard disk crash :(

I was wondering if anyone had got the patch. (it replaced the missing and changed pictures) Not too worried about the missing vactaion pictures but there are several ending pictures that were also either removed or changed.

Yes i know i'm a sad sad person but i like to have the orignial, or as close as i can get and i know the patch exists because i downloaded it before.

Nosmo

12-11-2005, 10:20 AM

All my 'daughters' are named after my own daughters.

So far i've had 2 generals, 1 bounty hunter and surprisingly a Great hero (following in her dads footssteps) not gone for the peaceful/non viloent route as yet
might try that next. :whistle:

Aurianna

12-11-2005, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by Nosmo@Nov 12 2005, 11:20 AM
All my 'daughters' are named after my own daughters.

So far i've had 2 generals, 1 bounty hunter and surprisingly a Great hero (following in her dads footssteps) not gone for the peaceful/non viloent route as yet
might try that next. :whistle:
LOL. I've played this game too much.

I think this is what I've had in the order I've had them:

Artist
Thug / Magician (went back a little and added morals / less sin)
Dancer
Princess of Darkness
Royal Magician
Ruling Queen
Bondage Queen
General
Warrior Hero (a bad one - too powerful)
Royal Concubine

I've also gotten a Bounty Hunter and a Nun, by changing a couple of my girls slightly before her birthday. I can't remember which came from where though. If I recall the nun had morals under 100 so I was really surprised when she popped up.

I want a nice hero like yours. :)

Nosmo

13-11-2005, 08:57 AM

triied two non vilent routes last night one sencible and one very silly (lots of cabaret work). Got a housewife with no husband and a harlot who married Cube ( this was a first for me :ok: )

Ramidel

14-11-2005, 06:25 AM

Auri

14-11-2005, 05:00 PM

Originally posted by Ramidel@Nov 14 2005, 07:25 AM

Sadly, the game requires you to get Fighting and Magic rep for most endings, as well as Social and Housework. Also, of course, adventure is really the only way to the money you need for dance school.
Yeah, it's also the key to lots of charisma that makes dance possible. :)

Ever notice that aside from the sleazy bar and cabaret, that it's hard to get charisma up? I'd never make my quota without deals with Lucifon and Mermaid Tears. :)

Gosh... I really want to play now....

Nosmo

14-11-2005, 06:00 PM

One of the lessons pushes up charisma. Also the siren dress dose i think.

There are a far a I remeber as many endings that don't require fighting as that do.

I won both the dance competion and the cooking competions without fighting.

The peaceful route is not taking fighting or fencing and not going adventureing.

There are several well paying jobs that give you quite a lot of money to allow shcooling as well.

Also if you win the competions you get 3k+ in gold which if use carfully can last quite a long while.

If all the endings were easy to get there would be no fun in trying to get as many as you can.

Auri

14-11-2005, 11:13 PM

Ok... So... what I said before about Charisma... I lied. I was playing this girl... and she got all this random charisma!

She was 11, and her Charisma was 102. And then I never did anything again that would give her any charisma (no lucifon, no god blessing, no mermaid tears, no venus jewels, no sleazy bar/cabaret, no fairy nectar, no dance class). I had the siren robe on her for a long while, but took it off because it was hot... then I randomly looked at her charisma when she was 16 or 17, and it was like, 226 or something.

I also recall having one girl, and it seemed like her charisma would randomly go down.

Do they have random charisma fluctuations?

Shelley

15-11-2005, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by Auri@Nov 15 2005, 12:13 AM
Ok... So... what I said before about Charisma... I lied. I was playing this girl... and she got all this random charisma!

She was 11, and her Charisma was 102. And then I never did anything again that would give her any charisma (no lucifon, no god blessing, no mermaid tears, no venus jewels, no sleazy bar/cabaret, no fairy nectar, no dance class). I had the siren robe on her for a long while, but took it off because it was hot... then I randomly looked at her charisma when she was 16 or 17, and it was like, 226 or something.

I also recall having one girl, and it seemed like her charisma would randomly go down.

Do they have random charisma fluctuations?
I believe this has to do with the date of birth of your daughter.
Every time your daughter has her birthday, some stats raise a certain amount of points. For example, some dates raise charisma and refinement, other dates raise intelligence.
I'm not sure which dates do what, but you could try out some different dates... :)

Maybe somebody knows which dates raise which stats?

(I know that my daughter, born October 31th, allways has her charisma boosted every year...and I thought also her refinement. Sometimes she also says that "girls born under the Scorpio Devinio (something like that) have a mysterious charm")

Bob the Chicken

27-11-2005, 11:43 PM

This game rocks! I got it off to the Underdogs....this game seems like any other ren'ai game, and Alter Ego (both are good things....as it means it has infinite replayability) Oh, and the 74 ending thing? Not exactly true. Ya see, theres in fact MANY more, due to choices you make affecting the ending (like who she marries, what class she went to most often, what job she went to most often, whther she succeeds at her job, and if she has children)

So...ehhh...anyway...yea...THIS GAME OWNZ!

Auri

29-11-2005, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by Kirsty@Nov 24 2005, 01:00 PM
Hi everyone! Ok, I know that the bloodtypes A and B do something with the stress levels and stuff but I was wondering if anyone knew what O and AB do? I have no idea! Also, my F1, F2, F3 etc. keys don't seem to work for some reason which means I can't use the cheats!! :cry: Anyone have any ideas on what I can do?
I think AB gives her 2 sensitivity every month. I really don't know what O does though. And A, while it raises stress, also gives her morality every month as well. :)

As far as the cheats are concerned... you can actually manually put a cheat code in one of the game files, and then it just always has the cheats available, without needing to press keys. I just can't remember what is is. You could probably google it.

Klaus

18-12-2005, 06:51 PM

This post is really just a summary of what I noticed afer playing this game for some time - I don´t claim the information is right, but I´m quite sure it works the way I explain things here:

Morals & sensitivity => reason for daughters running away:
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Your daughter´s morals seen to determine the amount of stress she can take before getting angry at you. So morals seem to be an indicator of how egoistic / altruistic she is. In case of very high moral standings she can endure some serious hardship before getting upset. If she is angry at you, you can scold her (talking option). This will lower her stress value by a certain amount depending on how good your relationship is with your daughter. This is probably a rather nice option but I never get to use it, because my daughters usually have a very high sensitivity. She should get angry at you once her stress level is higher than her morals (or something like that). However, in case your daughter is a very sensitive type (sensitivity about as high as her morals or even higher) she will rather run away instead of carrying out the conflict openly with you (she´s a whiner :cry: ). There are many ways of lowering her sensitivity: keeping the unicorn horn (event), keeping the spirit egg (event) or just by having her do some homework (quite effective: -2 / day), taking strategy lessons or choosing an appropriate job, etc.. But there are just as many ways to gain sensitivity which can really be a pain since it´s often a byproduct while doing something else. At least my daughters usually skyrocket in sensitivity while I don´t even want that to happen (except for the beginning maybe where it can be rather important but difficult to raise).

Constitution => job performance:
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Job performance at it´s heart depends on the job your daughter is currently on. Cooking at the restaurant requires some basic cooking knowledge before you can actually turn out some profit, just like working at the mason or hairdresser require some artistic skill. These values cannot be seen anywhere but you will know at some point what skills are required to achieve a good basic job performance. But there is also some job performance determined by the amount of stress your daughter is exposed to currently. I believe the stress-limit is different for each job. Some rather easy jobs like housework or working at the church can be properly performed at high stress levels even, others like the hairdresser seem more difficult and require less stress. The overall limit can however be increased by raising her constitution. The tougher she is, the more stress she can take before failing in a job. This is mainly a problem in the beginning of the game, especially when your daughter is really weak (like 15 constitution). You may want to feed her better then or have her work a bit at the farm for some time. Money will be quite a problem though, so you may want to loot the treasure chests in the dungeons early on (just rest early enough and no monster will ever attack you - in case they do: first try to hide and then run away). As I already mentioned, if her stress is higher than her morals, she will also stop working / learning. So this can also affect job performance. Just send her to the church or have her work as a mentor (second choice though - decreases charisma & appears rather late in game) if you want to raise that limit. You may also want to choose a daughter with blood-type A (+2 morals each month). She will never laugh though since she also gets +2 stress each month (the serious type it seems). There is also a patron deity which increases her morals by 100 once she defeats the god of war. I think it was the one in march / april.

Endings => rather dependant on her best skill & reputation?
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This is something that really disturbs me. I have played the game about 10 times or so and I just get the feeling the most important thing in determining the ending is her highest ability. In case you had her visit the dancing fairies or win the art contest a few times (without selling the brushes) she will almost always end up as a writer / jester even though she was a fighter throughout the whole game and has a fighter reputation of 999 while her social reputation is only around 300 - 400. Once art is higher than a fighting ability you already lost her to the world of poems (while having a certain sensitivity value probably - but attributes generally seem to play a rather unimportant role in determining the ending). This is even true if she never had a poetry class. It also applies to some other values but maybe housework is turned down somehow. A reputation value seems only to be a limiting factor if it is below 300. Once it reaches 300 and above it seems to open up most possible branches and so her highest skill will determine the outcome. That is my observation at least but I am not completely sure about it. I could have tested it by cheating but I was just too lazy to do it. Some sites claim to know the exact values but I can tell all those I saw must have been wrong just by looking at the requirements for general and writer (main occupations for my daughters).

As I said I´m unsure whether this information is correct. If you think I´m mistaken just post your thoughts. :Titan:

Ramidel

21-12-2005, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Klaus@Dec 18 2005, 07:51 PM
This post is really just a summary of what I noticed afer playing this game for some time - I don´t claim the information is right, but I´m quite sure it works the way I explain things here:

Morals & sensitivity => reason for daughters running away:
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Your daughter´s morals seen to determine the amount of stress she can take before getting angry at you. So morals seem to be an indicator of how egoistic / altruistic she is. In case of very high moral standings she can endure some serious hardship before getting upset. If she is angry at you, you can scold her (talking option). This will lower her stress value by a certain amount depending on how good your relationship is with your daughter. This is probably a rather nice option but I never get to use it, because my daughters usually have a very high sensitivity. She should get angry at you once her stress level is higher than her morals (or something like that). However, in case your daughter is a very sensitive type (sensitivity about as high as her morals or even higher) she will rather run away instead of carrying out the conflict openly with you (she´s a whiner :cry: ). There are many ways of lowering her sensitivity: keeping the unicorn horn (event), keeping the spirit egg (event) or just by having her do some homework (quite effective: -2 / day), taking strategy lessons or choosing an appropriate job, etc.. But there are just as many ways to gain sensitivity which can really be a pain since it´s often a byproduct while doing something else. At least my daughters usually skyrocket in sensitivity while I don´t even want that to happen (except for the beginning maybe where it can be rather important but difficult to raise).

Constitution => job performance:
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Job performance at it´s heart depends on the job your daughter is currently on. Cooking at the restaurant requires some basic cooking knowledge before you can actually turn out some profit, just like working at the mason or hairdresser require some artistic skill. These values cannot be seen anywhere but you will know at some point what skills are required to achieve a good basic job performance. But there is also some job performance determined by the amount of stress your daughter is exposed to currently. I believe the stress-limit is different for each job. Some rather easy jobs like housework or working at the church can be properly performed at high stress levels even, others like the hairdresser seem more difficult and require less stress. The overall limit can however be increased by raising her constitution. The tougher she is, the more stress she can take before failing in a job. This is mainly a problem in the beginning of the game, especially when your daughter is really weak (like 15 constitution). You may want to feed her better then or have her work a bit at the farm for some time. Money will be quite a problem though, so you may want to loot the treasure chests in the dungeons early on (just rest early enough and no monster will ever attack you - in case they do: first try to hide and then run away). As I already mentioned, if her stress is higher than her morals, she will also stop working / learning. So this can also affect job performance. Just send her to the church or have her work as a mentor (second choice though - decreases charisma & appears rather late in game) if you want to raise that limit. You may also want to choose a daughter with blood-type A (+2 morals each month). She will never laugh though since she also gets +2 stress each month (the serious type it seems). There is also a patron deity which increases her morals by 100 once she defeats the god of war. I think it was the one in march / april.

Endings => rather dependant on her best skill & reputation?
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This is something that really disturbs me. I have played the game about 10 times or so and I just get the feeling the most important thing in determining the ending is her highest ability. In case you had her visit the dancing fairies or win the art contest a few times (without selling the brushes) she will almost always end up as a writer / jester even though she was a fighter throughout the whole game and has a fighter reputation of 999 while her social reputation is only around 300 - 400. Once art is higher than a fighting ability you already lost her to the world of poems (while having a certain sensitivity value probably - but attributes generally seem to play a rather unimportant role in determining the ending). This is even true if she never had a poetry class. It also applies to some other values but maybe housework is turned down somehow. A reputation value seems only to be a limiting factor if it is below 300. Once it reaches 300 and above it seems to open up most possible branches and so her highest skill will determine the outcome. That is my observation at least but I am not completely sure about it. I could have tested it by cheating but I was just too lazy to do it. Some sites claim to know the exact values but I can tell all those I saw must have been wrong just by looking at the requirements for general and writer (main occupations for my daughters).

As I said I´m unsure whether this information is correct. If you think I´m mistaken just post your thoughts. :Titan:
Constitution, in itself, has nothing to do with job performance. It does determine how much stress it takes to get unhealthy though, and bad health kills performance.

As to keeping her from delinquency...morals have nothing to do with it. Faith is what keeps her in line.

Finally, running away usually has nothing to do with stress, just high Sensitivity, and she just runs away to go into the mountains for a while.

Worried father

22-12-2005, 04:37 PM

Is there a way to stop her from running away? When I really get her reputation and everything high up, she just runs away and looses it all again.

another_guest

23-12-2005, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by Worried father@Dec 22 2005, 05:37 PM
Is there a way to stop her from running away? When I really get her reputation and everything high up, she just runs away and looses it all again.
Give her a holiday every now and then. It still might not be enough in some cases, but at least it helps a lot. It also depends on your daughter's birth date.

Klaus

27-12-2005, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by Ramidel@Dec 21 2005, 11:33 PM
Constitution, in itself, has nothing to do with job performance. It does determine how much stress it takes to get unhealthy though, and bad health kills performance.

As to keeping her from delinquency...morals have nothing to do with it. Faith is what keeps her in line.

Finally, running away usually has nothing to do with stress, just high Sensitivity, and she just runs away to go into the mountains for a while.
Constitution: Ok, you said it´s bad health which makes her fail at work and I said it happens when her stress reaches a certain percentage of her constitution. That´s the only difference I can see here - both the same to me. After all it has an impact on job performance.

Delinquency: All my Princesses have a faith value of 0 and usually stay in line. So this certainly has nothing to do with it. You just need it for certain endings and when conversing with that holy guy in the castle.

Running away: Might as well be based on Sensitivity only but I don´t think so. I think I had some very sensitive daughters who never ran away (can´t remember correctly though - might be wrong).

Guest

27-12-2005, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by another_guest@Dec 23 2005, 07:29 AM
Give her a holiday every now and then. It still might not be enough in some cases, but at least it helps a lot. It also depends on your daughter's birth date.
No way. Sending her off on a holiday does not help in the long term. His daughter is too sensitive, so he should rather decrease that value by letting her work at home for some time or sending her to strategy lessons, etc.. Otherwise it will happen again. Sending her on a holiday in the mountains could in certain months increase her sensitivity which would make things worse even.

Ramidel

27-12-2005, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by Klaus+Dec 27 2005, 02:01 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Klaus @ Dec 27 2005, 02:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Ramidel@Dec 21 2005, 11:33 PM
Constitution, in itself, has nothing to do with job performance. It does determine how much stress it takes to get unhealthy though, and bad health kills performance.

As to keeping her from delinquency...morals have nothing to do with it. Faith is what keeps her in line.

Finally, running away usually has nothing to do with stress, just high Sensitivity, and she just runs away to go into the mountains for a while.
Constitution: Ok, you said it´s bad health which makes her fail at work and I said it happens when her stress reaches a certain percentage of her constitution. That´s the only difference I can see here - both the same to me. After all it has an impact on job performance.

Delinquency: All my Princesses have a faith value of 0 and usually stay in line. So this certainly has nothing to do with it. You just need it for certain endings and when conversing with that holy guy in the castle.

Running away: Might as well be based on Sensitivity only but I don´t think so. I think I had some very sensitive daughters who never ran away (can´t remember correctly though - might be wrong). [/b][/quote]
And surprisingly, mine have no morals most of the time, but they don't become delinquent until their stress passes their Faith.

Therefore, it looks like either the higher of Morals and Faith is the determinant, or Faith+Morals determines the delinquency line.

(Also, near as I can tell, Bad Health usually occurs because your stress > your Constitution.)

Auri

13-01-2006, 02:37 AM

Yeah, once with cheating, I tried to see how thin I could get her, and I think it was 52lbs (can't remember how tall she was, though).

One I also tried to see how fat I could get her (but without cheating, so no max gain). And I think it was like... 168 or something like that.

Regardless of her weight, her image never changed all that much.

As for being queen...
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e361/evilsocklady/mirandaqueen.jpg

This was my fourth or fifth daughter I think, and I was able to get her to queen with no cheating. She only did "fairly well" at her work, but I'm assuming that's because her morality wasn't that high. I think she had an end score of 1314.

What everyone else has said pretty much holds.
Refinement needs to be over 800, morality I think needs to be above a certain point (100, maybe? but higher is better, or she's an awful queen). Reps all in that 400 range somewhere, and no incredibly outstanding reputation (like Art at 200 or something).

Ramidel

13-01-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Auri@Jan 13 2006, 03:37 AM
Yeah, once with cheating, I tried to see how thin I could get her, and I think it was 52lbs (can't remember how tall she was, though).

One I also tried to see how fat I could get her (but without cheating, so no max gain). And I think it was like... 168 or something like that.

Regardless of her weight, her image never changed all that much.

As for being queen...

This was my fourth or fifth daughter I think, and I was able to get her to queen with no cheating. She only did "fairly well" at her work, but I'm assuming that's because her morality wasn't that high. I think she had an end score of 1314.

What everyone else has said pretty much holds.
Refinement needs to be over 800, morality I think needs to be above a certain point (100, maybe? but higher is better, or she's an awful queen). Reps all in that 400 range somewhere, and no incredibly outstanding reputation (like Art at 200 or something).
Feel free to have an overstuffed cooking skill. That's how I handled the housework requirement: I had her always going to the fairies for cooking charms, and had a cooking of like...300. Didn't stop me from queening excellently.

Auri

13-01-2006, 07:00 PM

Hmmm. Interesting. I just had her win the cooking festival three times. I usually just used the art faeries.

It was great, work her to the bone at the farm two of the three times a month, then take her to the forest, get her stress to 0, get the needed art points for the festival that year... and still end up with a gain in constitution.

I'm assuming with 300 cooking, her housework was still not her highest rep? Still, it seems like sometimes, even with social not her highest rep, if my art was above 120, she always ended up as a dancer or something. But I could be very confused there. I hate the stupid art careers. grrrr them.

Ramidel

14-01-2006, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by Auri@Jan 13 2006, 08:00 PM
Hmmm. Interesting. I just had her win the cooking festival three times. I usually just used the art faeries.

It was great, work her to the bone at the farm two of the three times a month, then take her to the forest, get her stress to 0, get the needed art points for the festival that year... and still end up with a gain in constitution.

I'm assuming with 300 cooking, her housework was still not her highest rep? Still, it seems like sometimes, even with social not her highest rep, if my art was above 120, she always ended up as a dancer or something. But I could be very confused there. I hate the stupid art careers. grrrr them.
::blinks:: The forest fairies give cooking skill. The art fairies are one of the two sets at the lake.

No, housework was still the lowest rep. Her temperament and cleaning were not overly good.

Overly high art skill, however, makes you into an Artist rather than a Queen.

Auri

14-01-2006, 07:20 AM

There are art faeries in the forest, I am 100% certain of this, as that's where I always use them (because I go to them during her second year, when she's too weak to go anywhere else). :) There are also cooking in the forest. The art are just a little south of the cooking, in that little area with the tree and the stumps.

I really, really would like to get a look at the code to see exactly how they program that qualifications. I think that would be awesome. :)

BoldoAsesino

21-01-2006, 10:31 PM

[FONT=Geneva]Well, hello everybody. I'm new here at the forum, so I'd better introduce myself. Excuse me, I know all introducings are boring. :cry:

My name is Ezequiel, I'm 26 years old, and I'm from Buenos Aires, Argentina. I study Latin and Greek (I don't know how this degree is called on your universities). I play videogames since my childhood, when my fathers gave me a MSX-1 for my 1983 Xmas present. I still got a Pentium-100 at home that works perfectly; but I'm planning to buy a new PC this year. Since it's difficult to get brand new games for my machine this days, I downloaded a lot of games from this site; but I haven't participated on the forums until now because I got an account on GameSpot and it could get very difficult to me to post on two forums at the same time. But on that site, the forums of games that falled under the abandonware tag are somewhat dead. So, I decided it would be a good idea to join Abandonia, because it would be very nice to talk with people that, perhaps, is playing nowadays the same games as I do.

Well, I think it would be better to get on-topic now. :[img]http://www.abandonia.com/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' />

I got PM2 about 2, 3 years ago; and since then I always had a game of it running. I would say that PM2 came to my life to stay there forever, since Olive built his own house on my hard disk. :D I have recommended this game to everyone of my friends, and since it's a completely unknown game here in Argentina, I would say that I'm responsible for unleashing a minor PM2 fever on my city. :evil: I even posted a review for GameSpot. As to my friends, they got as hooked to it as myself, and we spent five months experimenting and trying to crack every secret. We even called each other at weird hours (like 4:23 in the morning) just to tell that we have got a completely new ending. By that time, we haven't looked for any guide or FAQ on the web because we wanted to do it on our own; and when we decided to search one for the sake of previewing what we have overlooked, we have cracked a 40% of the whole by ourselves.

What I think about this game is fairly logical... IT'S PERFECT!!! :w00t: :ok: :Brain:

Well, I don't want to write a telephone guide here... Let me say only this. I'm still playing it (coudn't be otherwise), but I have "infected" a friend of mine that is psychologist. We have talked a lot about PM2, and she says that this game could quite surely show hints to our quality as fathers, and, therefore, show hints about our paternal images. She says that it got something to do with Jungian archetypes and the superego. Since I'm not a psychologist, I couldn't say how long this is true; but it is very shocking that PM2 could be deep to that extent, isn't it? :omg:

I don't bother you anymore. We'll keep on touch. Thanks for reading. :ok: :bye:

Auri

22-01-2006, 09:52 PM

BoldoAsesino, welcome to the board! I think it's very exciting that you have gotten so many people interested in this game.

I also admire how much you and your friends have done without any help from guides.

I only ever played two times all on my own before I started looking up secrets online. I have played a lot since, but now I know all the possible endings, and generally try to get one of them.

What's been your favorite ending that you've gotten?

BoldoAsesino

22-01-2006, 10:11 PM

Thank you very much for your welcome, Auri!!! :http://www.abandonia.com/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif

Well, the first endings I got were pretty much the usual ones. The first time I played, I didn't got any clue at all about how this game was supposed to work, so I got an unhappy and bored housewife. :not_ok: :cry: My second one was somewhat better, as it became an average writer.

The third one was absolutely freakish, because it became a Fortune Teller, but she married Cube!!! :sick: :wall: :guns:

I think that the best ending I got was when my daughter became a successful painter. She got Sensitivity at maximum (999), Art at 354 (she won five art contests and I didn't pawn her Brush trophies), and I don't remember the other ones. Well, the ending text said something about that people came from the four corners of the kingdom to asist to my daughter's expositions, and because of her Sensitivity her paintings were so moving that people always come out crying! :w00t: I never thought that painting could get so threatening and dangerous!

What about you, Auri?

Auri

23-01-2006, 06:28 AM

I think there are like... what? Around 50 careers? And also various degrees of how good you can be. And different husbands.

Let's see... well, the best ending I ever got was an average queen. I also had a fighter hero, but apparently she was too strong or something so she became arrogant. I was never sure what that was about. Haha... then there was the time I got a bondage queen who was incredible at her work. That made Venus mad. :)

my first ever ending though was an artist. I can't remember how good she was. I think my next ending after that was a bandit. But I felt bad for her, so I went back a month and got rid of all her sin, so she became a magician.

Auri

23-01-2006, 06:32 AM

Heh. The first time my roommate ever played, she had a bored housewife too, who was told she needed to lose some weight. Now THAT was priceless.

So the very next day, my roommate decided she wanted to use the money cheat. I told her not to because it's more fun to know you can get your daughter to turn out well without the cheating...
But even with cheating, her daughter ended up being a farmer's wife. It was pretty funny. Anyway...

Edited to say:
Bah. Sorry for the double post. I didn't know we could edit.

Anyway, I'm still not sure Lindsey ever got the hang of the game without cheating. I think the best she ever got on her own was a General. It might have even been a Knight.

Mongi

24-01-2006, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Ramidel+Jan 18 2006, 02:28 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ramidel @ Jan 18 2006, 02:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Mongi@Jan 17 2006, 03:46 PM
arrrgghhhh.... Why, WHY, princess maker 3 was never translated into English??? :cry:* :cry:* :cry:

I'm DYING to play it.... I even started to study Japaneese! (Boy, is it a difficult language!!!) :blink:

Anyways, the hardest (without cheating of course) careers to achieve in PM2 are Archbishop and Queen of Darkness. Grand Poobah (aka normal Queen) is not that very difficult, once u understand the Reputation/Refinement paradox.
Queen of Darkness? That's easy.

500 sin
300 fighting rep
200 magic rep

May conflict with being a Bondage Queen...

Lots of special after-hours efforts at the sleazy bar when she's 17, presto, your fighter-mage is now in charge of evil worldwide.

As to Archbishop...the way to get it is to do a lot of churchwork. [/b][/quote]
1. It is very difficult to maintain rep requirements, cuz even in late teenage your daughter starts to run away very often once u make her work in sleazy bar (plus helluva lot of stress). Hence, the difficulties to make her Queen of Darkness.
2. Doing lot of churchwork ALWAYS made my daughter a NUN, not an Archbishop, though I had all reputations and charateristics as needed.

Sebatianos

24-01-2006, 01:33 PM

Well, I know there are the requrements on some gamefaq site, but they aren't exact. I know it says there that if you want her to become a queen you need:
Charisma: 499
Fighting rep: 470
Magic rep: 470
Social rep: 470
Domestic rep: 470

I had all of those, but it didn't work, because they left out the most importaint - refinement 800+

So you're probably missing some other characteristic (how's the morals and how are her maternal skills - they play a slight role - they get hight if you let her work as a baby sitter or as a tutor).

Auri

24-01-2006, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Mongi@Jan 24 2006, 12:53 PM
1. It is very difficult to maintain rep requirements, cuz even in late teenage your daughter starts to run away very often once u make her work in sleazy bar (plus helluva lot of stress). Hence, the difficulties to make her Queen of Darkness.

I remember my Queen of Darkness wasn't too hard to get. I probably did have to save every month and reload a lot. But I do that for any daughter religiously.

I don't think I worked too much in the sleazy bar, really. My Queen of Darkness was more a "go out in the adventure areas, kill things for sin, and then leave early for the rep points." And I made multiple deals with Lucifon which I think made sin go up as well.
It worked really well. The adventures didn't add stress, and you still got money from them. However, so much adventuring does make the game drag much, much longer.

Originally posted by Sebatianosl@Jan 24 2006, 02:33 PM
I know it says there that if you want her to become a queen you need:
Charisma: 499
Fighting rep: 470
Magic rep: 470
Social rep: 470
Domestic rep: 470

I had all of those, but it didn't work, because they left out the most importaint - refinement 800+

Hmmm. Those look familiar to what I've seen for a Queen by Marriage:

Charisma = 499
Fighting Reputation = 370
Magic Reputation = 370
Social Reputation = 421
Housework Reputation = 370

These are what I've found for a Ruling Queen though:

Refinement= 800
Fighting Rep. = 378
Magic Rep. = 378
Social Rep. = 365
Housework Rep. = 350

Those work pretty well; you can see a screen shot of a ruling queen I had one page back.

The thing about the Queen by Marriage... I'm about 90% sure if you've already established an ending marraige, then you aren't going to get one of the social endings (Queen by Marraige included).

Not sure if that was an issue or not, but that's what I've been experiencing. Once I was totally gunning for a Royal Concubine, and I had all the stats, but I had her get engaged to the Dragon Youth, so she ended up being a Homemaker or something. Bah!

Guest

26-01-2006, 07:40 PM

Check this out
http://www.t45ol.com/play_us/1862/princess-maker.html

Ramidel

28-01-2006, 04:29 AM

Auri

28-01-2006, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by Ramidel+Jan 28 2006, 05:29 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ramidel @ Jan 28 2006, 05:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Mongi@Jan 24 2006, 12:53 PM
1. It is very difficult to maintain rep requirements, cuz even in late teenage your daughter starts to run away very often once u make her work in sleazy bar (plus helluva lot of stress). Hence, the difficulties to make her Queen of Darkness.
...-why- does nobody know how to manage stress around here?

Hint, hint, hint. Use the ****ing cooking fairies. [/b][/quote]
The downside to that though, is...

If you use them enough, your cooking will go sky high, so unless you're careful, you could get the homemaker career. What do you get from them each time? 30? So... in just 5 visits her cooking skill is higher than any other skill possibly can be, (save art if you visit those faeries and keep the master brushes). And if that's the case, it can seriously mess up your end result.

I doubt it matters as much for the dark careers, since you won't likely be a homemaker with sin 500, but for most other things you have to plan exactly.

I usually avoid cooking fairies at all cost. For most of my daughters, I do house work her whole first year, so that I can get cooking and cleaning up evenly, as well as temperment. By the time my daughter is strong enough to go on adventures, she already has max cooking. I'm more of the art fairy type. :)

Ramidel

31-01-2006, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Auri+Jan 29 2006, 12:40 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Auri @ Jan 29 2006, 12:40 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Ramidel@Jan 28 2006, 05:29 AM
******QuoteBegin-Mongi@Jan 24 2006, 12:53 PM
1. It is very difficult to maintain rep requirements, cuz even in late teenage your daughter starts to run away very often once u make her work in sleazy bar (plus helluva lot of stress). Hence, the difficulties to make her Queen of Darkness.
...-why- does nobody know how to manage stress around here?

Hint, hint, hint. Use the ****ing cooking fairies.
The downside to that though, is...

If you use them enough, your cooking will go sky high, so unless you're careful, you could get the homemaker career. What do you get from them each time? 30? So... in just 5 visits her cooking skill is higher than any other skill possibly can be, (save art if you visit those faeries and keep the master brushes). And if that's the case, it can seriously mess up your end result.

I doubt it matters as much for the dark careers, since you won't likely be a homemaker with sin 500, but for most other things you have to plan exactly.

I usually avoid cooking fairies at all cost. For most of my daughters, I do house work her whole first year, so that I can get cooking and cleaning up evenly, as well as temperment. By the time my daughter is strong enough to go on adventures, she already has max cooking. I'm more of the art fairy type. :) [/b][/quote]
Actually, I tend to do well (queenly, in fact) with a -very high- cooking skill, because my girl's Cleaning and Temperament suck like...a sinful character after she becomes a common prostitute :angel: In fact, since they do, and since I don't touch the Housework competition with a ten-foot pole, and since she -needs- a good Housework rep...that's why the cooking fairies come in handy.

(Also: I believe (but have not tested scientifically) that the lake cooking fairies give less skill than the forest ones.)

Auri

01-02-2006, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by Ramidel@Jan 31 2006, 01:12 AM

Actually, I tend to do well (queenly, in fact) with a -very high- cooking skill, because my girl's Cleaning and Temperament suck like...a sinful character after she becomes a common prostitute :angel: In fact, since they do, and since I don't touch the Housework competition with a ten-foot pole, and since she -needs- a good Housework rep...that's why the cooking fairies come in handy.

(Also: I believe (but have not tested scientifically) that the lake cooking fairies give less skill than the forest ones.)
Ah. Yeah, my general strategy is this:

Go with an AB girl (as they get sensitivity each month), spend all of my money to give her meat the first two or three months (she gets higher constitution and can work three times in a row), and have her do nothing but housework and rest until she's full on cooking, cleaning and temperment. Then babysit the rest of the year.
Once it's time for the festival, I spend all remaining money on dolls, then I almost always get 1st or 2nd in the cooking contest (will reload if I don't. Sometimes it's just sort of random).

The second year is devoted almost entirely to farming, and at the end of it, win cooking contest again (at this point sensitivitly will be way high enough to win it without a problem).

Then the third year is spent farming, learning to fight and adventuring, visiting the art fairies until she's in the 70's or 80s', then do four art classes, get the picture, and win the art festival at the end of the year.

farm, fence, free art points & fighter rep points every month for a year, 0 stress, is pretty sweet. :)

After that, the years just depend on what I'm looking for.

With my first queen, I think I ended up having her win the cooking contest her last year too, to boost housework rep up high enough.

That's the great thing about this game! There are so many different endings, and so many different strategies that work!

I should try to get a queen playing completely different sometimes. I've gotten too comfortable in my normal method. :P

DarkClownNizzo

01-02-2006, 04:39 PM

Wow...this game is awesome. And to think I almost didn't download it because I thought it would be too "girly".

Awesome that this beta managed to get leaked, else I would never have played these games. The language barrier sucks, I won't be able to play any of the others until I learn a really tricky Asian language. Sorta sucks, but hopefully we can wish for complete fan translations if the word about this is spread enough.

DarkClownNizzo

02-02-2006, 01:47 AM

Oh, and almost forgot, a bit of related humor: http://solidsharkey.com/pm2.html

Mongi

07-02-2006, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Auri+Feb 1 2006, 08:53 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Auri @ Feb 1 2006, 08:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Ramidel@Jan 31 2006, 01:12 AM

Actually, I tend to do well (queenly, in fact) with a -very high- cooking skill, because my girl's Cleaning and Temperament suck like...a sinful character after she becomes a common prostitute :angel: In fact, since they do, and since I don't touch the Housework competition with a ten-foot pole, and since she -needs- a good Housework rep...that's why the cooking fairies come in handy.

(Also: I believe (but have not tested scientifically) that the lake cooking fairies give less skill than the forest ones.)
Ah. Yeah, my general strategy is this:

Go with an AB girl (as they get sensitivity each month), spend all of my money to give her meat the first two or three months (she gets higher constitution and can work three times in a row), and have her do nothing but housework and rest until she's full on cooking, cleaning and temperment. Then babysit the rest of the year.
Once it's time for the festival, I spend all remaining money on dolls, then I almost always get 1st or 2nd in the cooking contest (will reload if I don't. Sometimes it's just sort of random).

The second year is devoted almost entirely to farming, and at the end of it, win cooking contest again (at this point sensitivitly will be way high enough to win it without a problem).

Then the third year is spent farming, learning to fight and adventuring, visiting the art fairies until she's in the 70's or 80s', then do four art classes, get the picture, and win the art festival at the end of the year.

farm, fence, free art points & fighter rep points every month for a year, 0 stress, is pretty sweet. :)

After that, the years just depend on what I'm looking for.

With my first queen, I think I ended up having her win the cooking contest her last year too, to boost housework rep up high enough.

That's the great thing about this game! There are so many different endings, and so many different strategies that work!

I should try to get a queen playing completely different sometimes. I've gotten too comfortable in my normal method. :P [/b][/quote]
What's the preferred date of birth?

And a related question: Are there any guardians that give a boost to more than one characteristics (when you reach them in the north mountains I mean)?

and a bit :ot: . I'm just interested if I am the only guy here who has missing text files (so that the description of different grades of success in careers is unavailable)???

Auri

07-02-2006, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Mongi@Feb 7 2006, 10:39 AM

What's the preferred date of birth?

And a related question: Are there any guardians that give a boost to more than one characteristics (when you reach them in the north mountains I mean)?

and a bit :ot: . I'm just interested if I am the only guy here who has missing text files (so that the description of different grades of success in careers is unavailable)???
Date of Birth: October 1.
With the entire year, if you do things right, you're almost gaurenteed a 2nd place finish at the festival in cooking, and lately I've been getting first.
The downside is, your 500 has to last a whole year, where you make almost no money because she does mostly housework, plus I like to buy her meat the first few months. So, I'm generally in the negative until the next payday. :P But the festival money makes up for it.

I have no idea which, if any of the dieties give you more than one skill. I've only ever had Venus as my gaurdian.

And as far as the missing files go, nope, you're not the only one. I'm missing several text files. I would really, really love to go in there and create text files for all the missing entries (I'm guessing I could figure out what needed to be what if I saw the code), but the files are all locked away in foxpro files or SOMETHING. Meh.
In the end, to figure out how your daughter did with her work, you just have to take what the guardian said... but it's sad because you can't really find out why she did poorly.

Guest

07-02-2006, 07:08 PM

I think it's got to do with comitment. If she worked someplace often enoughthen she worked well (it's then that she'll also report this and this person was a kind of a mentor to her).

Ups - that's me (I forgot I wasn't logged in).

Guest

19-02-2006, 12:33 AM

My daughter ALWAYS marries a wizard.
Grr.

I love this game and I think Cube is adorable! I wish my daughter would marry him! :D My daughter runs away a lot even if she is non-stress as well and it is grr and the sound doesn't work if you run it on Win95 or very chewed up and grr grr grr YAY

Reuntal

28-02-2006, 04:21 AM

Any pros around here know of a way to quickly increase your fighter/magic rep quickly? Apparently - and I've yet to find any guides that makes mention this - your character can get arrested for associating with thieves. This seems to happen at random when your character is delinquent (in my case she also had 0 Morals and 500+ Sin, so that probably didn't help), and causes her to lose all but a smidgeon of her F/M rep, but also reduces her stress and Sin to 0 (She repents.)

The problem is, since all my fighter/magic stats have already been maxed, and all the bandits captured, and my rep is too low to attract duels, the only options left to me seems to win tournaments and returning home early from adventures. Dragon teeth would work, but seeing as how dragons run at the drop of a hat, that's probably even less reliable.

How much rep do you need to attract duels, anyway? At this rate I'll probably just have her retire from her fighting career.

Gamefreak

28-02-2006, 08:08 AM

I think you need at least 115 of respectively fighter or mage reputation for the duels. I had mostly 120-130 (training up to 100, adventuring / fighting the rest) with her and duels were high on agenda.

Reuntal

28-02-2006, 02:19 PM

Well, after taking almost non-stop theology courses to get the last bit of my magic def up and raiding the forest map a couple of times (also found the elf by the giant tree, which gave me some magic stats for some of my att skill), I finally managed to get my rep 200 up from about 80. It seems that's how much magic rep you need to start getting challenges on the street. Now I can focus on something else for a while...

Crap.... I just realized something. I only have 2 festivals left and I've still got 3 categories to win. Ugh.

Reuntal

03-03-2006, 06:32 AM

> If you get arrested late in the game, your chances of rebuilding your rep are over.

Not true. Once you get enough rep to start getting duels, you can simply go to and return from town over and over to trigger them. Not technically cheating, even if it is a blatant exploit. :whistle:

Actually, now that I managed to end the game with her reputation intact, I'm sort of disappointed that my character ended up as an adventurer - not that it was all that surprising I don't know... maybe I was hoping for something a bit more... nuanced? I guess it wasn't like she was going to be a poet and a warrior. Heh.

On a sidenote, I find it kind of odd for "Adventuring" to be considered a class during the ending sequence. It seems to me like any character with any fighting ability whatsoever would almost be garunteed to have farming and adventuring as their most "memorable" experiences, which is kind of dull. Personally, I'd have made adventuring a "job "instead, since that's how I make most of my money late in the game anyways, and it'd be much more informative to see which real class I actually took the most.

gregor

03-03-2006, 08:18 AM

there is some character in mountain area that is sor tof some got or somehting. lives high up in the sky. anyway i was wondering is there a way to defeat him or get somehitng from him? i tried to use all available training and also some cheats to help me, but problem was that i couldn't beat him. a warrior is supposed to challenge him and beat him i believe. anyone done it?

Gamefreak

03-03-2006, 08:36 AM

I did it one time. She was then maxed out warrior through training and adventuring. Don't remember the stats now, but she was very high on all fighter-relevat stats. Anyway, when you defeat him... no, I'll leave the fun to find it out to you ;)

Gamefreak

03-03-2006, 08:40 AM

Oh, btw, you'll need that best most expensive fighter armor for her or you can forget fighting the god. And the best purchasable weapon too, of course. And while you're training the fighter stats take her armor and weapon off, then her fighter stats are lower and therefore train faster and up to their natural maximum. With items on her stats are then over the maximum, that's the way.

The Fifth Horseman

03-03-2006, 02:01 PM

IIRC, both of these can be found adventuring, if you are persistent enough.

Guest

03-03-2006, 09:34 PM

Yeah, you can get the katana for free from one of chests. Getting the armor for free is trickier though (I won't spoil it), and you're probably better off just buying it yourself so you can use it earlier on. By the time you can get it, you'll probably be rolling in cash anyways.

And the defeating the war god is pretty much the crowning achievement of a fighter/mage, so don't be surprised if you don't beat him right away. Just remember that defense>>>>offense , and make note of what kind of attack he uses, then train accordingly. Once you do manage to beat him though, you'll wonder how he ever gave you any trouble in the first place ("Your silk armor softens the blow! Sylvia takes 1 damage!" XD)

Gamefreak

03-03-2006, 10:00 PM

If any at all. If she's trained competently and her defense is high she'll often just avoid his blows and he hits her only rarely. Of course, she still needs to have good constitution when he does hit her, so working at that farmer is a must.

Mongi

04-03-2006, 06:36 PM

Just what are you discussing, guys? Beating that wargod is extremely simple in fact. Becoming Archbishop without cheats is much more difficult :tai:

Gamefreak

04-03-2006, 10:51 PM

Extremely simple once you know how. Before that he'll beat craps out of you and you hit him maybe one time without much effect. Unless you're such a type who knows everything from the beginning on and creates a gozu elite super fighting machine of a daughter.

Reuntal

04-03-2006, 11:36 PM

And frankly, that'd be boring as hell.

And to be honest, I really don't see how Archibishop is all that complicated.

Guest

06-03-2006, 09:11 AM

How do I get my relationship with Cube up? I've tried working with him... or is it just random? (I want Devat and him to get hitched)

Why can my daughter marry ME?!? :blink:

And why does there have to be a weight limit on the expensive dresses; I just blew 5k on them.

Mongi

06-03-2006, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Reuntal@Mar 5 2006, 12:36 AM
And frankly, that'd be boring as hell.

And to be honest, I really don't see how Archibishop is all that complicated.
Well, I've been playing this game for like 1,5 years now and whenever I try to make my daughter an Archbishop (following all the requirements and stuff) - she ALWAYS ends up becoming a NUN.

I managed to acquire all other endings and, probably, all grades of success (yes, I'm that much freak) of them, so that's a huge issue for me... :angry: :angry: :angry:

Auri

06-03-2006, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Guest@Mar 6 2006, 10:11 AM
How do I get my relationship with Cube up? I've tried working with him... or is it just random? (I want Devat and him to get hitched)

Why can my daughter marry ME?!? :blink:

And why does there have to be a weight limit on the expensive dresses; I just blew 5k on them.
Hmmm. Ways to get your relationship up with Cube:

When you're defeated on adventures (especially by bandits), and Cube comes rescue you, the relationship goes up. Also, when you're out on adventure, if you have Cube bring you weapons, the score goes up a little bit. If Cube takes care of your daughter when she's sick, the relationship goes up. There may be other ways to make her close to Cube, but I'm really not sure what.

I have NO idea how to make her marry you. I've played the game a couple times through, and ended with a 100 relationship... and all the time when I'd talk to her she'd be all, "I want to marry you!" but then she'd marry a knight or wizard or whatever.

As far as the weight thing... that's just... I don't know. A cultural thing? She'll fit in the dresses eventually if you give her the ancient milk, one of the slimmer diets, and take her to the beach in the summer.

Sometimes it's fun to see how thin you can get her. I got her to 57lbs once. Heh.

Mongi

06-03-2006, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Auri@Mar 6 2006, 05:11 PM
I have NO idea how to make her marry you. I've played the game a couple times through, and ended with a 100 relationship... and all the time when I'd talk to her she'd be all, "I want to marry you!" but then she'd marry a knight or wizard or whatever.
Well... ur relationship has to be 100% AND u've got to nurse her through illness (that's when there is "rest" and u stay at home) at least ONCE. Plus any other special marryings (except marrying Cube I think) are considered to be a better outcome, so ur daughter has to be on bad terms with prince and dat pesky lil' drako.

That's fairly easy too... Now, can anybody finally tell me how to make my daughter Archbishop??? :angel: Please...

Guest

06-03-2006, 09:19 PM

> Well, I've been playing this game for like 1,5 years now and whenever I try to make my daughter an Archbishop (following all the requirements and stuff) - she ALWAYS ends up becoming a NUN.

Ahh... so it's one of those profession. I don't really bother getting any specific profession where a few points of stats can make a difference, so I wouldn't know. FAQ I have here says Nun should have 100 INT more than the archbishop (300 INT), but then, I'm not sure how reliable this FAQ is...

laiocfar

07-03-2006, 07:15 AM

About weigh go to sea in summer.

I dont think that beign defeated by bandits has something with up the relation with Cube. It looks like she get raped and got some charisma in return.

To marry your daugther, spoil the relation with the prince and some sin could be of use.

Archbishop:
Intel = 300
Moral = 400
Faith = 500
Fighter Rep = 419
Mage Rep = 410
Social Rep = 400
HouseW Rep = 390

laiocfar

10-03-2006, 02:48 AM

Wacht out the Fighter Rep and HouseW Rep. There problem of getting an especific ending its the fact that a lite more points earned by mistake can, for example, change your queen proyect into a writer cuz high intel

Guest

10-03-2006, 08:16 PM

It's possible you're spending too much time working at the Church. I'm not sure about this but spending too much time working at one job seems to cause your character to get stuck with that career even if stats indicate she should be able to get a much better profession.

I'd maybe split my time between Church and Tutor to get the Morality points then take Theology classes to get the Faith and and Intel up.

Guest

10-03-2006, 08:25 PM

(Urr... scratch that last paragraph. I somehow sent it before I was done typing...)

If you haven't already, try to avoid working at the church as much as possible and have your character Tutor instead to attain the necessary Morality points. Faith is easily gained through Theology anyways, so between Blood Type A and Tutoring, you should be able to avoid working at the Church entirely.

Lord Of The Guns

26-03-2006, 01:53 PM

Just finished the game for the first time and my daughter became a stinking thug. A no good father hating thug holding a club in an inapropriate manner. Fun as hell though.
Its just a shame getting money is such a hassle. I don't want to cheat but I only got to the end of the last game cause my girl was so good at lumberjacking and farming. I was hoping she would be something cool when the fortune teller said she would be a villain but nope - just a foul smelling thug.
Well, time to go try again!

laiocfar

27-03-2006, 02:45 AM

The key is that only 8 skills serve to set the ending. The other key its that an hero doesnt do nothing.

Ms_rissy

03-04-2006, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Lunarian@Oct 8 2004, 11:32 PM
No matter what I do the fortune-teller always says she is gonna be a normal housewife... so aggrivating. Any tips to get OUT of that rut?
It's because her housework reputation is too high. avoid housework, working at the inn/restaurant and don't participate in the cooking festival. if her housework rep gets too high you will get this ending a lot.

Also it seems like if you don't find something for her to excel in she will get this ending...if she's too well-rounded she often gets housewife, writer, or divorcee.

Ms_Rissy

03-04-2006, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by Robert+Feb 2 2005, 11:47 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Robert @ Feb 2 2005, 11:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-gamerxgirl@Feb 2 2005, 12:36 AM
I agree, before I found them, I found the game a lot more challenging, and now that I have to money to feed her she gets large or 'fat' and then keeps running away! :wall:
Balance is the answer. Make her do some adventuring or similar besides the studying and feeding. And you can put her on diet, so she can take down on weight again. [/b][/quote]
The best way to make her lose weight is to take her on summer vacations (june, july, august) to the beach. She will loose about 3 pounds on each one, and you can do up to 9 a year (3 per month). vacationing also builds her relationship with you.

To keep her form running away, keep her stress at 0 by ending each month with free-time. if she runs away, reload to the previous month (because I know you're smart enough to save EVERY month. :max: ) and try changing the order of her schedule. like instead of work...school...play, do school..work..play or play...school...vacation. She will not runaway on vacation...so sometimes replacing her free-time at the end of the month with vacation will do the trick.

Ms_Rissy

03-04-2006, 05:40 PM

Hi there....I am yet another obsessed fan...I run the Princess Maker fanart club on Deviantart as bloodollie. http://princessmaker-club.deviantart.com/

If any of you are deviants, you should join.

Anyhow...not the point. I just finished writing and then retesting a walk-through for the Bondage Queen ending. I had a lot of trouble with this one for a while...although a lot of other people did not. I thought I'd share it anyhow. It's worth noting that you can follow this guide to become the princess of darkness as well...just keep your refinement under 200 and your fighting rep above 300.

So...if anyone is interested it is here:
http://www.geocities.com/ms_rissy/BondageQueen.doc

or if you need plain text:
http://www.geocities.com/ms_rissy/BondageQueen.txt

these are free to use, make fun of, give to others...whatever.

I saw that some people were having trouble with the archbishop ending..so I think I'll have to figure it out, and maybe write a guide to that as well. If I can.

Thank-you!
Ms. Rissy

Auri

03-04-2006, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Ms_Rissy+Apr 3 2006, 05:18 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ms_Rissy @ Apr 3 2006, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-gamerxgirl@Feb 2 2005, 12:36 AM
I agree, before I found them, I found the game a lot more challenging, and now that I have to money to feed her she gets large or 'fat' and then keeps running away! :wall:

To keep her form running away, keep her stress at 0 by ending each month with free-time. if she runs away, reload to the previous month (because I know you're smart enough to save EVERY month. :max: ) and try changing the order of her schedule. like instead of work...school...play, do school..work..play or play...school...vacation. She will not runaway on vacation...so sometimes replacing her free-time at the end of the month with vacation will do the trick. [/b][/quote]
Good advice, especially the saving every month. Generally I save every month, but if there's a month where I'm not sure I'm going to like the results, I switch slots, and then if everything turns out fine, I go back to the original. And then at the end of the year, I go to the next slot, so I have a save slot for each year. :)

But... I've heard, and it seems to correlate, that if sensitivity is very high, and morals aren't that high, she's more likely to run away.

Also... while giving free-time at the very end of the month gets her stress down, I belive it lowers your daughter's relationship with you. So if you care about your relationship with your daughter, try to opt for vacations at the end of the month rather than straight freetime.

Ramidel

08-04-2006, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Ms_rissy+Apr 3 2006, 04:59 PM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ms_rissy @ Apr 3 2006, 04:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Lunarian@Oct 8 2004, 11:32 PM
No matter what I do the fortune-teller always says she is gonna be a normal housewife... so aggrivating. Any tips to get OUT of that rut?
It's because her housework reputation is too high. avoid housework, working at the inn/restaurant and don't participate in the cooking festival. if her housework rep gets too high you will get this ending a lot.

Also it seems like if you don't find something for her to excel in she will get this ending...if she's too well-rounded she often gets housewife, writer, or divorcee. [/b][/quote]
Thing is, you also need some well-rounded rep to be a Grand Poobah. Also, if you specialize too far in, say, combat or magic, you may not get the best endings because the good endings require rep in all areas to a greater or lesser extent.

Mongi

10-04-2006, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by Auri@Apr 3 2006, 06:08 PM
But... I've heard, and it seems to correlate, that if sensitivity is very high, and morals aren't that high, she's more likely to run away.

I checked this one. Rather untrue. Deliquency does play a part, morals and sensitivety - nah.

I believe that the amount of her "running away"'s depends, first and foremost, on the continuity of the work she takes. If, for example, she worked at farm for a couple of years and then u switch her to tutoring, she'll definetly run away! Probably to that pervert Bangor :twisted:

Auri

10-04-2006, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Mongi+Apr 10 2006, 07:26 AM****</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mongi @ Apr 10 2006, 07:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ******QuoteBegin-Auri@Apr 3 2006, 06:08 PM
But... I've heard, and it seems to correlate, that if sensitivity is very high, and morals aren't that high, she's more likely to run away.

I checked this one. Rather untrue. Deliquency does play a part, morals and sensitivety - nah.

I believe that the amount of her "running away"'s depends, first and foremost, on the continuity of the work she takes. If, for example, she worked at farm for a couple of years and then u switch her to tutoring, she'll definetly run away! Probably to that pervert Bangor :twisted: [/b][/quote]
Mmmm. Stupid runaway girls. I don't remember where I heard the moral/sensitivity thing; I just know that my AB-blood, October born, sensitivity-a-bustin-out-all-over-the-place girls, who, despite being well behaved (though, moral free until around their 17th year), would break for it constantly, while my nice, dull as dirt, A-blooded, moral pinnacles would stay at home and do whatever I told them. There were probably other factors that made them runaway, but the sensitivity/morals thing just happened to fit my particular daughters.

Now... on a completely different subject... I think I've looked quite a few pages back, but I'll ask again becuase I don't remember anything conclusive... how do you get the girl to marry the father? I can never seem to swing it, despite a 100 relationship. :P