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Old 20-12-2005, 09:05 PM   #21
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Originally posted by Blood-Pigggy+Dec 20 2005, 09:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Blood-Pigggy @ Dec 20 2005, 09:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It's assumptions from truth you mean?
Isn't that like inference? Just analyzing data?

I'm really confused here.* :crazy: [/b]

Science starts with evidence, which then results in a hypothesis, which leads to more research and analysis to be done to assertain the accuracy of this hypothesis, which may be revised to improve it's accuracy.

Creationism has started with the Bible and has then creatively interpreted and ignored research connected with it to stay exactly the same. That is why it's not science.

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"Creationism" is the belief in Genesis of the bible, taken literally.[/quote]

And "Intelligent Design" (aka, ID) is the beleif that the universe was created by a deity 6000 years ago with all that it contains also designed by this deity, ie, the same thing, with the christian parts carefully removed, but still the same thing.
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Old 20-12-2005, 09:06 PM   #22
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Creationism being thought in school is the same as if they would teach Danikens theories about humans being started by aliens...
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Old 20-12-2005, 09:12 PM   #23
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Hehe. Or Scientology. *shudder*
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Old 20-12-2005, 09:31 PM   #24
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Given that there is good evidence to support the theory of evolution, there is no logical reason to remove it from the curriculum in favour of creationism/ID which is based on folk stories from thousands of years ago with no reasonable evidence. That said, there is no reason not to teach both.

In the UK, and I expect elsewhere in the world, we have a compulsory religious education but the government are not saying Christianity is right so we'll only teach Christianity. Students in this country study Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and more. Why can't American schools teach both creationism and evolution - as far as I'm concerned until one or other is proved conclusively, both are viable theories (though only one seems likely to me!).

In any case, IMO, if there is a God (I don't personally think so) or Gods who created this universe, it has certainly evolved from the state in which is was first created meaning both theories could in fact be true!
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Old 20-12-2005, 09:42 PM   #25
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Well, personally think that both should be taught, but Creationism is not Science, and should not be in Science curriculum, it should be in Religious curriculum.
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Old 21-12-2005, 02:38 AM   #26
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Originally posted by Havell@Dec 20 2005, 03:47 PM
(In response to "What did Kansas do?") Ban the teaching of evolution completely in all schools, in favour of IC/creationism.
Are you sure about that? How sure?
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Old 21-12-2005, 06:02 AM   #27
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Originally posted by mouse31e@Dec 20 2005, 10:31 PM
In the UK, and I expect elsewhere in the world, we have a compulsory religious education but the government are not saying Christianity is right so we'll only teach Christianity. Students in this country study Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and more. Why can't American schools teach both creationism and evolution - as far as I'm concerned until one or other is proved conclusively, both are viable theories (though only one seems likely to me!).
last night i heard on TV that only 49% of americans belive in evolution. In fact most of them (according to surveys) do not believe that man EVOLVED from ape. even if it was proven to be so.

Btw i think that Evolution theory is not in contradiction to Islam. which is quite interesting....
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Old 21-12-2005, 11:44 AM   #28
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Originally posted by Fruit Pie Jones+Dec 21 2005, 03:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fruit Pie Jones @ Dec 21 2005, 03:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Havell@Dec 20 2005, 03:47 PM
(In response to "What did Kansas do?") Ban the teaching of evolution completely in all schools, in favour of IC/creationism.
Are you sure about that? How sure? [/b][/quote]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas#Law_and_government

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...the Kansas State Board of Education's infamous 1999 decision to eliminate the theory of evolution from the state teaching standards, a decision that was later reversed. In 2005, voters accepted a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, and the Kansas State Board of Education resumed hearings to determine if evolution should once again be removed from state science standards. On November 8, 2005, a 6-4 majority voted in favor of intelligent design.
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Old 21-12-2005, 12:28 PM   #29
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last night i heard on TV that only 49% of americans belive in evolution. In fact most of them (according to surveys) do not believe that man EVOLVED from ape. even if it was proven to be so.

What most people forget about the US is that it's *not* comprised of New York City, Chicago, Boston, Washington DC, Seattle, etc. That's only half the equation. The US is more than half generically "rural" in culture, where rural means grazing, farming, and related activities. There is a general difference of cultural beliefs between rural and urban dwellers. Until the last 25 years or so, these people had no articulate voice in the national media and political scene. Within the last 15 years, driven by the evangelical Christian movement that mobilized churchgoers through nationwide computer and cable networks, their "voice" has been found. It is a revolution of sorts comparable to the discovery by the Democratic Party of the black civil rights movement in the 1960s.

This coalition of neo-cons and far right churches don't have arguments against science that can hold up logically, or in the courts, but they do have sufficient force to cause temporary changes to the law until challenged in those courts. This explains efforts to put the beliefs of one branch of one religion's views in public schools, or put that same branch's religious symbols on display in public buildings.

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Old 21-12-2005, 03:00 PM   #30
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There are hundreds of thousands of observations from all fields of science supporting evolution.* And not a single one which contradicts it.
first of all creationsim (as far as I know of it, which I admit isn't much) doesn't have any facts contradicting it either.
and second aren't all the facts we have about eveolution just a bunch fossils we dug up? who said the gods didn't put them there to confuse you? :[img]http://www.abandonia.com/forum/html/emoticons/laugh.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='laugh.gif' /> (I see your complaint here. But wouldn't a belief that some non-christian pantheon of gods created life also be "creationism"?)

P.S. no, I'm not a religious fanatic, In fact I belive that eveolution is the most credible theory of those I know. (key word: "theory")
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