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[Mighty Midget]

5th is totally correct. For Drupal: Knowledge is all it takes. Access is another thing and a problem we need to find a solution for. As for time, we have time, for the time being, meaning if we don't get preoccupied with nonsense, 4 years should get us somewhere.

EDIT: JMB got there first. This post was aimed at the posts prior to his.

[Romano]

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

We can either learn it ourselves or find someone who already has the neccesary skill set. As such, it's a non-factor.

About a hundred thousand SLOC can not be a "non-factor"

If I understand you well, you would like to have access to source code, and not knowing anything about coding.

As you like to say "Abandonia Forums are not democracy", I can say "Abandonia is not open source". Unfortunately

[The Fifth Horseman]

About a hundred thousand SLOC can not be a "non-factor"

In a different equation, maybe.
For all the mysticism you seem to perceive in it, programming is just a set of skills. Nothing more, nothing less.
The code can be modified in portions.
There can be more than a single person working on it.

If I understand you well, you would like to have access to source code, and not knowing anything about coding.

Not "I would like to". "We need to".
If you prefer having a completely bugged site, your choice.
We don't.

I can say "Abandonia is not open source".

I didn't say anything about open source. What are you getting at?

[Japo]

Hm actually the Drupal platform, that Abandonia is based on, _is_ open source. :P (All interpreted languages--as opposed to compiled ones--are open source in a way... And AFAIK Drupal is not about writing code, it's a CMS.) Anyway, not really sure how software licencing is relevant here, at any rate. Drupal can be learnt, yes of course. And I guess whoever has access to the server will be able to see and modify Abandonia's Drupal system.

[TheChosen]

http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts...p?scriptid=191

You can try a demo of Drupal here. Just log in to the admin page. The password and login is mentioned on the page. Should give some information on how it works.

I had to test it myself for a school project last thursday. Its kind of a complicated and it takes time to learn, or thats what I've said to my teacher when he asked my opinion of it.

[Data]

Studentis and kosta might have added a lot of extra modules to support the things abandonia needs. The move to drupal took several months of coding.

I think Romano was trying to tell you that the Studentis might not be very willing to give you access to their written modules for abandonia.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Romano Krauth

Not quite. There are three things you don't have.
1. Access to contents of the main server
2. Direct access to site and forum databases.
3. Drupal programming knowledge.

As said these things could help but are not necessary
We are solving problems and working on the site using a little of html, css, and discovering day by day our "hidden powers".
We can create pages for the site, add services and change forum's layout.
All under developement.

[Luchsen]

Originally Posted by JMB

I would like to feel confident that the effort is not going to be wasted.

That's the internet; nothing is forever (please excuse the sarcastic use of forever). You have to redefine your thinking of wasted; I for example don't really know why I translated reviews here.

[Robsie]

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

Not quite. There are two things we don't have.
1. Access to contents of the main server (the one hosting the site and the forum).
2. Direct access to site and forum databases.
Lack of these abilities simply prevents us from resolving certain issues with the site and the forum (of course, we're trying to work around them whenever possible).
Basically, Abandonia can continue in its current state.

Well that's not exactly encouraging news if none has any access on the server, its content and, the forum, and the original admin left without leaving it to a successor and apparently does not care anymore.

Because out of just no new content to the abandonia game list can be made, it just mean the current company owning the server, Studentis if i understood well this thread, whoever they are could just cut it anytime and nothing could be backed up because none has access to the content ?

[Dave]

We don't have direct access, but we can use the server and add new content to the site. We can update Abandonia with games, extras and improve it.
Also we can backup the site and the forum.