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[PrejudiceSucks]

Hmm I don't really know. There has been a lot of hatred in the past and I think that people will be prejudiced against other countries forever, but it would be nice if we could all help each other.

[Stroggy]

Originally posted by Quintopotere@Jun 10 2005, 12:54 PM
do you think that all we europeans could be united?

With at least 2000 years of war as a legacy, I wouldn't bet on it.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Stroggy@Jun 9 2005, 08:00 PM
Everything leads to wars these days.

Not just these days.

Look - I'm a pacifist, but I know very well that peace is just a temporary state. As long as people posses weapons they will use them on each other. And no one is willing to completey disarm himself, because that would mean one would become an easy target.
The only thing we have achieved through civilization so far is, that not every individual needs to be armed, because there are institutions that should keep you safe.
But with so and so many weapons they problem is - they need to be used. It's a horrid idea, but if you spen certain amounts of money to arm a country you must prove that it's not money spent in vain.
If you admit your weapons are not strong or useful enough - why did you buy them and spend the money?
If you proclaim they are strong enough - why don't you use them when things get really bad?
If you say you won't use them - so why have them in the first place if you won't use them?
If you say you'll only use them for defence - well as soon as the life standart starts to fall the people feel like under an attack. How many times did I hear that foregners are taking over... that we'll get overrun by them... that others are trying to cheat us out of what's ours because we aren't determened enough...

When the situation is bad enough - people are prepared to go to war (and war preperations also mean an increase in the economy). And since the government is just a representative of the people it has to do what the poeple want it to do. There's no "let's go to war" referendum, but there were (and certainly are) situations where at least 70% of people support a country going to war.

So the big picture is this:
Living the everyday life.
Being unable to cope with everyday problems.
Problems get bigger.
People get agressive.
People go to war.
The winner enjoys the spoils of war and feels the extasy of victory.
The looser needs to accept the situation, because of the winner forces him to.
After some time both start to resume normal life.
Because of the reconstruction the economical situation is tolerable - because of the humbling lesson of the war both are less demanding and satisfied.
Few generations later (2-3 at the most) the euphory is gone and the complaints start again.
People are living the everyday life with everyday problems.
People can't cope with those problems again and we're back to the starting point.

So every few generations there needs to be a war. It's a simple psychological, sociological and historical truth (but most don't want to see it).

[JudgeDeadd]

Oh no. It seems that 25 people voted yes while only 15 (including me) voited no. I can't believe some people are so stupid!

[Tulac]

So basically you're calling everyone who voted yes stupid? Before calling someone stupid you should at least explain your reasons, either you end up being - stupid.
(I didn't vote cause my country isn't in EU)

[troop18546]

I wonder why we are stupid. :blink:
Does a vote really indicate stupidity? :eeeeeh:

[Playbahnosh]

Hey guys, don't start ANOTHER flame war okay? We had one too many already... <_<

Sebatianos has many good points there, but the thing is, that there are no answers for those quuestions just yet...

How can we cope with war, when the weapons industry is still rising? And this is only one of the man...

[Tulac]

I guess it's in our nature to kill each other...

[Sebatianos]

Well - humans are a part of the nature (no matter how much they strugle). And in nature there is always balance.

If there is too much prey a strong predator starts populating the area and it has a lot of offspring (lots of food, so the offspring survives). The predators eat the prey and run out of food, so they start fighting each other until only the strongest survive.
Lower number of predators - they can't catch so much prey - so the prey starts reproducing.

The only problem is, that apart from viruses and bacteriae humans have no natural enemys left - no predators.
So on one hand more and more people die of desieses (which are getting more and more potent) ont he other hand people kill each other off. Thus the natural balance is getting restored. The third factor is contraception - this actually means that people have a common desire not to produce too much offspring.

Were much more "natural" as we'd like to admit. But sinse we can explain our behaviour and not just act acording to the instincts we think we're stronger then our own nature (no way). Just because you know why you do something doesn't mean you're able (or even willing) to stop doing it!

[Tulac]

The question is if we can evolve from that, but that's for another topic...