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[Tulac]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Playbahnosh @ Sep 19 2007, 01:48 AM) [snapback]311679[/snapback]</div>

They say, that there are only two reasons people remember somebody: because he/she solved problems, or created them. I simplify this a little. We remember those people who amuse us. Be it positive or negative term. You will remember Luciano Pavarotti because you are amazed at how he can sing, and you remember Hitler because he is freaking you out killing all those people. (@ everybody) Do something for me, think back to your childhood. Now remember your friends. Which one of your old friends can you remember most accuratly? Face, voice, personality...etc. Bingo, the ones that amused you the most. You won't remember that grey nobody sitting at the back of the classroom, but you will remember the "class clown". And you will remember the bully that took your lunch money every Thursday...
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The problem here is that you won't feel bad about Colin McRae for anything but his name? 90% heard of him because he had a rally game and I can tell you that most didn't even play it, but they still "grieve" for his death. Why? OK you can say he achieved something in the WRC(one championship won). But there are more successful rally drivers (Juha Kankkunen, 4 championships) who if they would die today, nobody would care. Why? Because they didn't have their name on a game. For me this is pure hypocrisy.

[Icewolf]

I taking my hat off for the huge achievements and performances that he was famous for in Rally sports.
He was a brave Scotsman driving throught the desert. No rain must have been weird for him.
I think it's sad.

He's sort a Wayne Gretzky that most sport-interested people will keep in mind.

[Tulac]

Well that's the point, he wasn't that much of a special rally driver, can anyone else tell me which other rally drivers won the WRC in the last 15 years? Really the only reason he is so famous is the game. I very much doubt there are that many WRC fans in the world.

[Icewolf]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tulac @ Sep 19 2007, 12:31 PM) [snapback]311781[/snapback]</div>

[...]can anyone else tell me which other rally drivers won the WRC in the last 15 years?[...][/b]

Sorry, I knew him before I knew that this gae existed... And I think I could tell who he is when I see him on a pic and I'm not a rally fan...

[Sebatianos]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tito @ Sep 19 2007, 12:37 AM) [snapback]311673[/snapback]</div>

Condolences are just an hypocrisy.
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Woudln't say so, no.

I mean , depends what happens, they could be, but I doubt they usually are.

Condolences are said to the people who were personally close to the decesed. I wouldn't call up Luciano's family to give my condolences to them, because I don't know them. I also wouldn't give my condolences to a fan of Collin now that he died, because I don't think he'd deserve them (even if he'd be devistated by the loss of his favorite driver), nor would I accept any condolences when Pavarotti died, because I'm not intitled to them.

But this still doesn't mean, I can't feel grief. Greif is a selfish feeling really. You feel the loss, because somebody who died has passed away. You don't feel sorry for the person who died (because he's dead), but you feel sorry for yourself (because you lost the person). Personally I really got emotional when I saw the performance of Pavarotti at the opening of the Winter Olympics of 2006 in Torino (he sang Nesun Dorma), because at that point I realized, not only how great and moving the performance in itself was, but also that there will never be such a performance again, so I won't be able to see or hear it. The era of Pavarotti is over.

Giving tribute and paying respect is another thing. I respect him for his musical achievements (I never cared for anything else about him, so I don't even know what kind of a life he lived) and if there would be a memorial concert at the time of his funeral (by some local tenors) I'd gladly attend (not just to give tribute, but also for the musical value of it).

For Collin McRee I wouldn't even open a topic, but since one was there I have posted in it. I do generally wish everybody to Rest in Peace when the time comes, because I wouldn't like anybody wishing me otherwise. It's not hypocracy it's piety. For the same reason I never tell jokes at a cemetary (although I sometimes go there for various reasons - not always paying respect to somebody) and I never really talk loudly while there. I'd find it hypocritical though if I'd be bringing flowers to a grave of a celebrity simply because I'd want somebody to notice me at the grave and maybe take a picture (like visiting the grave of Grace Kelly or something).

[Playbahnosh]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tulac @ Sep 19 2007, 12:24 PM) [snapback]311779[/snapback]</div>

The problem here is that you won't feel bad about Colin McRae for anything but his name? 90% heard of him because he had a rally game and I can tell you that most didn't even play it, but they still "grieve" for his death. Why? OK you can say he achieved something in the WRC(one championship won). But there are more successful rally drivers (Juha Kankkunen, 4 championships) who if they would die today, nobody would care. Why? Because they didn't have their name on a game. For me this is pure hypocrisy.
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Thats why I added "especially for those into motorsports" and not "games". I only added the last section as a...kinda trivia fact if you will, not because I remember him BECAUSE of those games. I like motorsports and I liked him as a WRC driver, not because of the name of some rally games. And the fact that his little boy and two others died with him made it worth mentioning.

Then again, the golden rule still stands: if you don't have anything worth to post in a topic than DON'T POST, just for the sake of telling "I'm not interested in him, nor do I care about his death." That's just stupid.

[punch999]

I have to agree with everything Thechosen said. Except with me change eddie too Chris Benoit. You don't cry or be sad because they are just famous. You are sad they will never be around again. You aren't sad because they are famous. That is bogus. It is change.

Rest in piece Colin,Johnny and the 2 others who died. Rest in Peace.

[Playbahnosh]

Finally, a person with dignity. Thanks Alex, and I totally agree with ya.

[chumloofah]

Good grief...
If somebody you liked as a performer or whatever dies you say, "oh. Bummer."
It's something of a downer, but not something you get upset over.
If you knew the recently devivified be sad, if you liked his stuff be a little bummed.
I've always had the distinct impression from being around people expressing their sorrow about celebrity deaths in public that they're either posing or just mouthing what they think they ought to mouth.

[Tulac]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Playbahnosh @ Sep 19 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]311833[/snapback]</div>

Thats why I added "especially for those into motorsports" and not "games". I only added the last section as a...kinda trivia fact if you will, not because I remember him BECAUSE of those games. I like motorsports and I liked him as a WRC driver, not because of the name of some rally games. And the fact that his little boy and two others died with him made it worth mentioning.

Then again, the golden rule still stands: if you don't have anything worth to post in a topic than DON'T POST, just for the sake of telling "I'm not interested in him, nor do I care about his death." That's just stupid.
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1st don't be an behind and devaluate my opinion on this matter. The topic is about celebrity deaths, I didn't post just to say that I don't care about his death, if you think that's all I wanted to say you should read my post again and again, maybe it'll get to your head then.