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[The Fifth Horseman]

For a moment it didn't. I wanted to go to the second page of text -> "story not avaible". Went back to the first -> the same thing.

[rlbell]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Tulac @ May 31 2006, 08:29 PM) [snapback]233539[/snapback]</div>

I also agree with most of the Dutch liberal laws (what I know of at least), but I don't think people who openly adverse harming someone(because really do children wantto have sex, I don't think so, they would only get used by adults), so I think they should be banned without a second thought, because this is something that could easily and scientifically be proven as harming...
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Careful, Tulac!

You are on the slippery slope towards moral character!

You have made a distinction between right and wrong, and that can be habit forming.

No doubt, everyone guessed correctly that I find the idea of a pedophile special interest group to be as abhorent as the guy who posted images of himself sexually abusing his daughter (now four years old) to the internet only being sentenced to nine years in prison (out of a possible fifteen).

On the subject of freedom of speech, the price of being able to freely speak your mind is for others to assume that you believe what you are saying. Professor Pianki of the United States, discovered to his horror, that the FBI was very interested in his opinions that an airborne version of ebola was just what humanity needed to remove the 95% of the population that he deemed to be above the carrying capacity of the Earth's biosphere.

[Playbahnosh]

Wow, another spicy discussion. Not much going on here nowdays huh?

I think these pediphile people has their right to say whatever they want. And they are, as you can clearly see, furthermore they would make it a law if they can. Man people think that pedophilia is a sickness. That these people are all but mental patients and need to be treated like that. I say it's a matter of perspective. Like the copyright laws. Some years ago MPAA illegalized to tape music and tape movies to VHS and give it to your friend. Not that is completey legal and publicly accepted. Nowdays it's illegal to download movies and MP3s, but it's the same result as taping them fo Gods sake. Yea rite, you don't pay the bands their money this way and yo are a pirate bastard n stuff. BUT, do you pay for the movies you see on TV? No, because you pay the cable provider and not the studio. See? Laws are nothing but a temporary blockage, and this goes to everything. I'm not defending the pedophiles, what they are doing must be wrong because many people hate them, but they will eventually win some of their claims...

Freedom of speech? Hell, yeah! What do you think will happen if somebody goes out to the public shoutin "YOU ALL GONNA DIE! *pointing at people* YOU TOO! YOU WILL DIE A HORRIBLE AND SENCLESS DEATH I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT!"? I tell you: they will call the police, they will arrest the man and put him in jail. Did he lie? Did he tell something wrong? No, because everyone will die eventually, and most people die a sensless horrible death....

Freedom of speech is there in every country, except USA where you can sue anybody into oblivion for saying something wrong. And they call it land of the free huh? Yeah, you are free to NOT say anything...
And they see the whole world as a state of USA and act as a world police or somethin. They go around countries and tell people how to live. I think THAT is illegal and disgusting...

[oclane]

ive got to say thats dissgusting wanting to lower the age to 12 its already bad enough haveing the pedos in the uk its just not right they should be locked up :ranting:

[Raasted]

I must agree - that it is very disgusting to even think of lowering the age-limit to 12.....this will (or rather would - as it of course never will be passed) surely be used to cover up some very nasty abuses....

/Raasted

[Playbahnosh]

Yeah, I agree to that. But this is too a matter of perspective. Kids nowdays starting to have sex more and more earlier than 18. Some kids around do start to have sex around 12, and you can't do anything about that. I'm not saying that the age limit should be lowered, just it's not a real limit anymore...

[Tulac]

Yes but I very much doubt that kids below 16 if they have sex that they have it with 30+ men, and these are the people in that party, that's why I think that they just want to use the kids and make legal having sex with them, because they are liable...

[Playbahnosh]

yeh, you got a point there.