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[Playbahnosh]

Sad news again, but don't shoot the messanger. I feel I need to tell you about this.

As you might noticed, international news channels are full of the hungarian riot. A tape recording surfaced not so long ago, containing a speech by Ferenc Gyurcsány. On this recording, he admits lying to the people in order to win the elections, but this is only the half of the truth. It also contains remarks about hungarian politicians as a whole, he strongly attacks the skills and ideology of politicians, and raises his woice against doing nothing. I won't quote or tell the whole story, because I don't have much time, but this tape cause quite an uproar amongst the people of hungary.

There are riots and demonstrations all around the country. The storngest ones are in Budapest, where the rioters layed siege on the hugarian TV station (MTV) building. The attacked and occupied the building, destroyed much of the stations's machinery and equipment, started fires in the building and wreaked havoc. Sad story. Rioters attacked the police on several occasions, injured many of them.

I myself strongly disagree with these rioting scum. They are no more than, stupid thugs wreaking havoc. I'm not into poitics, so I don't really want to comment these things, but I don't like what is going on here.

[Thatguy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Playbahnosh @ Sep 20 2006, 08:23 PM) [snapback]256317[/snapback]</div>

I myself strongly disagree with these rioting scum. They are no more than, stupid thugs wreaking havoc. I'm not into poitics, so I don't really want to comment these things, but I don't like what is going on here.


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Those people just want violence,and they are looking for any excuse to "justify" it.The dont really care about what has happened-you'll meet those kind of people everywhere

[Tulac]

He admits lying to the people in order to win the elections[/b]

All politicians do that, but it's obviously good for the opposition to gain few political points...
As for the midnight rioters who probably know about politics as I do about cooking, they're as you said it yourself scum, the same type of scum that burned cars in France last year, except those were black and these are neo nazis, still ironically it shows just how people are the same no matter the color or the race...

[Playbahnosh]

Indeed.

Some gathering started here in Veszprém as well this afternoon. More hundred people gathered at the local square waving flags and yelling stuff. Speakers did speeches to igninte the crowd even more...

I talked to some policemen on the edge of the square, they told me that this demonstration started this morning, since then the crowd was walking all across the city, what I saw was just a little part of it. Once of the officers told me that they fear that the same violent riot will break out here as well...

I don't know, but I don't like the look of this at all. I'm no agressive person, but if some rioters start to wreak havoc around my flat, I will go down and kick their asses to oblivion myself. I still don't get why the police don't want to act against these vandals. They only have riot shields and some tear-gas grenades, they don't even have any real weapons. They also have water-cannon trucks, but as you might heard, the rioters occupied and destroyed one of these trucks at the siege of the TV station. If I could do something, I would give them rubber bullets, thick-smoke grenades, flashbangs, attack-dogs and riot-tanks. Then they would know with whom to mess with...

[Havell]

I'd like to step in here and defend the demostrators.

In the current political climate demostrating is the only way that people can get themselves heard. Elections are only held every few year, and with all the major parties having fundermentally similar policies (and of course there's no guarantee at all that the policies of the winning party will bear any relation to what they claimed for the election).
All major media outlets, that's the TV and radio stations, newspapers and many news websites, are owned and controlled by a small number of rich people who are not afraid of pushing thier own political views in the news that they report.
All this adds up to a situation in which ordinary people are extremely alienated from their leaders, and mislead about what is going on in the world (either through misreporting, not reporting certain things, stressing specific factors in a news story...).

In such a situation, taking to the streets waving flags and making speechs is simply the only way to be heard by others.
True, these demostrations turn violent; but when they are hounded by a gang of armed thugs employed by the government, armed with shields, clubs, pepper spray, water cannon and tear gas, there's really only one way it can turn out, and it ain't pretty.

The media, controlled by the aforementioned small group of rich people, often attempt to portray these demostrations in a bad light.
Take the French riots last year mentioned by Tulac, the media portrayed them as a group of gangs on a crime spree. In reality, it was a group of people who had been repeatedly crapped upon by the government and by the country as a whole and were trying to get thier voice heard. A few violent elements took over and the media concentrated on this and on the typical police overreaction.

[gregor]

taking over TV station and looting is hardly a way to express dissapointment.

I recall the demonstartions in Serbia, when they simply stop all the cars in middle of road and then when police approached they just said the cars won't start and started using the whistle.

moreover the demonstrations are here because a politician told a truth for a change. there is a lesson to be learned here - there is no room for truth in politics (obviously).

as for the speech - it can be found on BBC.

[Tulac]

Take the French riots last year mentioned by Tulac, the media portrayed them as a group of gangs on a crime spree. In reality, it was a group of people who had been repeatedly crapped upon by the government and by the country as a whole and were trying to get thier voice heard. A few violent elements took over and the media concentrated on this and on the typical police overreaction.[/b]

I have nothing against peaceful demostrations, I only was talking against those people who destroy cars at night, and those people (if you saw how they look) are neo nazis and other violent people who do nothing good for the society and just need an excuse for violence, if they wouldn't be smashing cars then they would be beating up random people on the street, that's just how their mind works, the same was in France, a small group of primitive people used the circumstances to do what they want, unlike the peaceful majority that probably protested normally...
I mean there were many demonstrations that didn't turn violent, just look at the whole revolution in Ukraine for example.

but when they are hounded by a gang of armed thugs employed by the government, armed with shields, clubs, pepper spray, water cannon and tear gas, there's really only one way it can turn out, and it ain't pretty.[/b]

You're taking it the wrong first they set up fire on cars, smash everything in the police station injure 20-30 cops, then "a gang of armed thugs employed by the government" comes.

I mean do you honestly believe that police provoced the violence, I can only tell you that you are mistaken.
Actually those people who destroyed cars and did all the violence are much like the people who cause violence on a football game, they don't care for what eberbody's there for, they just use the opportunity for violence.
I'm not saying that all the protesters are like that, but only the violent ones, and those violent protesters are truly the scum of the society.
So believe me just like the police isn't the cause of the violence at a football game, police isn't the cause of a violence on a protest, but the primitive few.
So remember there is no excuse for violence, espcially when the situation is not dire, and I don't believe that any of those groups are living that bad either in Hungary or France...

[Grinder]

When I read the news, I immediately thought of you. A bit late, but still nice of you to bring this message to us politically ignorant gaming nerds

[chainsoar]

Rioters are stupid, mindless idiots. Peaceful demonstrations are fine and in fact I've attended numerous protests and peace marches myself. The problem with riots is that they're started as an aggressive demonstration by a small group of people who know what they're talking about, then a bunch of morons who want nothing more than to burn things come along and join in the fun, and it escalates into a fullscale riot, and people get hurt. Rioters, police officers, journalists, even civilians, none are safe from the wrath of a full blown riot. Nobody ever achieved any true progress by burning and looting.