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1st you quoted my "well actually you can"?

2nd

t's not a war, it's a debate. Guess what? In a debate you have to DEFEND YOUR ASSERTATIONS. Thus far you've offered nothing but "well you can use [frames]" and "what if you need them?" without actually offering any examples of when their use is necessar

i told you reason before i wrote you "what if you need"
and i repeated it in previous post with disappointment of your "if you have an enormous amount of text data in a navigation frame it's probably time to rethink your navigation" answer

Provide me with an example of a situation in which one persistent frame would contain a large amount of text (we're talking at least 10kb) -- I certainly can't think of one.

like whole site? including all the scripts and stuff you use too
becouse frames dont have to be nav bar only=/

and have you read those articles you sent, like "When It's OK to Use Frames"
and you know like css frames have advantages and disadvantages too
http://www.thewebseye.com/articles/rsi01.htm
http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/call/cert/8/frames2.html