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[marko river]

In oldwarez list there are ESA games that are threated as abw. And we do have some ESA games which are here probably because Kosta got ESA's permission to host them.

So, what about those abw ESA games? There are some good games. Will we upload them the or not????

[Rogue]

I don't believe that there is such a thing as abandoned ESA game.

[Mara]

the probleme is, tough some company are inteligent engouh to understand that this will not harm them , some are not.

Maybe some esa company have allow some of their game to be published, but I never saw any.

The other trouble is cases like "land of lore" , EA have the rights , when the game was created by westwood.
Autors rights sould ALWAY be in the hand of those who programed the game, not anyone else !

[Rogue]

Autors rights sould ALWAY be in the hand of those who programed the game, not anyone else !

Author can sell its rights.

I believe that those companies, which are protected by ESA don't really care, as they are paying ESA to make sure their games are not distributed without their permissions.

[Mara]

I believe that those companies, which are protected by ESA don't really care, as they are paying ESA to make sure their games are not distributed without their permissions.

if they don't care, you can't they leave us alone

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Mara@Feb 17 2006, 07:49 AM

if they don't care, you can't they leave us alone

They are not bugging us at all.

ESA is paid to do that for them.

[marko river]

There are some games that fall under ESA but can be considered abw as ESA won't bug about them - at least this is what Tom wrote in Oldwarez list legend.

So, are we able to put those games, or Kosta still needs to ask to be sure?

[Shrek]

Originally posted by marko_river@Feb 17 2006, 03:15 PM
There are some games that fall under ESA but can be considered abw as ESA won't bug about them - at least this is what Tom wrote in Oldwarez list legend.

So, are we able to put those games, or Kosta still needs to ask to be sure?

I think that this is the "initial question", the one that hasn't been answered yet, and which maybe only Kosta (or an Adm) can answer - or not, so let's wait for one of them to pronouce about it....

[SupSuper]

It's a matter of asking Kosta, like I do, before submitting games

For instance, Psygnosis is technically ESA since they were bought by Sony, but they don't seem to bug us.

[Tom Henrik]

Originally posted by oldwarez list
Descriptions for ESA member companies

The meaning of the different statuses will change when the company is an ESA Member. They are as follows. The numbers in the brackets represent how many games of each respective status are currently in the database:

Abandonware (713)
These softwares are by all means abandoned by their rightful owner(s), and ESA is only protecting these softwares in name. In reality, ESA deems them not worthy their attention, and would rather use their time and effort on more well known software. This means that these softwares can be hosted on Abandonware Sites, if the webmaster is willing to risk it. Just because ESA isn't actively protecting them, doesn't mean they don't protect them at all. There is still a risk with these softwares.

So yes, it is dealt with on a case to case basis. Basically we ask ourselves "is this really worth the potential harm, and how big is the potential that it might cause us harm?" every time we come across such a game.