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Old 08-02-2007, 10:36 PM   #1
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Just watched a movie, and such as often after watching a good movie, I got a simple but catching idea.
The idea is as follows - not the world is real, but your perception is real. Imagine, for example, if you see something and it is very much active and real for you, but nobody else can see it and they tell you that you just imagine things or are tired and are hallucinating.
Who would be right there, they who didn't see what you saw or you who observed what you observed? Would their word count more as they didn't see anything while you did, or would only your own perception matter and the others word doesn't count as they maybe simply couldn't see what you saw?

Another example, maybe easier to understand. Imagine you're lying in a clinical death while others are trying to reanimate you. While all apparats and devices show that you are dead and don't detect even slightest activity in you, you see many things and are participating in something that's virtually impossible to be as your body lies there, dead. When you're reanimated (let's hope you are :P) you tell the others what you did, but they don't believe you as their reality was just your dead body they were trying to breathe life into.
Would it be them who're right, and there was nothing happening, all was just some chemical process of your brain while in this state and meant nothing, or have you indeed been somewhere else while dead and everything you perceived was very real because you know what you saw? Whose "reality" would be "real" in such a case, and is there such a thing as one reality for all or does the actual reality differ for everyone?

How do you think about it?
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Old 08-02-2007, 11:13 PM   #2
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You can't be sure of a objective reality in any case. You can't even reliably say one exists at all.

Just take what you perceive and process it through logic and experience (if you see a flying hippo after taking lots of drugs, then it's probably a hallucination), you probably won't go too far wrong that way. Things you perceive can make you happy and unhappy, and even kill you, and affect you. Even if they aren't objectively there.
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Old 09-02-2007, 12:10 AM   #3
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Old 09-02-2007, 12:21 PM   #4
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I prefer not to think about reality in deep ways. You can see it, as much as your neighbour. You can touch it, as much as your neighbour. It's enough to tell, that what you see is real.
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Old 09-02-2007, 12:35 PM   #5
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My perception is as real for me as is somebody's perception for that person, our reality is shaped by our perception.
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Old 09-02-2007, 12:43 PM   #6
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Has someone seen "A beautiful Mind"?
So much for real and real. And real, too.

Someone knows Plato's allegories? What we (humans) are like and what we perceive and what really happens?

I guess this is a question you can give a statement for but one will never find a solution.

As for me: I'm really rational-thinking. There's stuff we haven't found out yet, but that doesn't mean we're not able to or that it's a miracle.
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Old 10-02-2007, 10:18 AM   #7
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I saw the movie "A Beautiful Mind", but I couldn't understand what other people saw in it. My perception was that the movie was tragic: about a man who was not as clever as he thought he was, and who drove himself mad in pursuit of academic accolades that were far beyond his ability to achieve. His motivation, it seemed to me, was to make up for lost time: to show the "world" what "might have been".
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:23 PM   #8
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Your perception could be not real: you could just thinking you're perceiving!

Remember "Cogito ergo sum": I think, so I'm being. Cause, if you think to think, still you're thinking.

There is no way to prove that you're sensing the "true reality" with reasoning or science, even if a true reality, actually, exist.
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:45 PM   #9
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A daltonist sees a red object green, which is the TRUE color of the object ? the red color we see or the daltonists green color ? I think Kant wrote something about these things that the world is made with our perception no one can see or feel the true world beyond our perception... and he called those pure things unperceptible... um, I forgot...
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Old 12-02-2007, 09:00 AM   #10
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(crazedloon @ Feb 10 2007, 12:18 PM) [snapback]278713[/snapback]</div>
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I saw the movie "A Beautiful Mind", but I couldn't understand what other people saw in it. My perception was that the movie was tragic: about a man who was not as clever as he thought he was, and who drove himself mad in pursuit of academic accolades that were far beyond his ability to achieve. His motivation, it seemed to me, was to make up for lost time: to show the "world" what "might have been".
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It wasn't about his cleverness... :blink: He was actually schizophrenic...
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