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[kmonster]

Originally Posted by yoga

Ciao, Caro Capo.
Please allow me one more argument for WT taken just before 5 minutes from my adventure in IWD.
OK.

I am in Marketh domain 2-nd floor.

1 case: yoga does not have and read WT.
He met Lord Marketh and... yes killed him.
The result: 8000 XP.

2 case: yoga have and read WT.
He met Lord Marketh and... spare his life as promised early to Ginafae.
The result: 150000 XP.!!!
and some more after advices poor blind lady that her lover is alive.

You are clever gamer and may compare above results...

Results:
1 case: Yoga plays the game as intended and enjoys the original balanced challenge.


2 case: Yoga replay's someone else's game instead of Yoga's own game. Yoga gets more XP than intended, the game becomes easier than intended, Yoga doesn't face a challenge, overruns almost everything easily and doesn't improve skill. After a little thinking enlightened Yoga decides to save time and work, just watching a longplay instead of playing will yield the same result. There must be some people who save poor Yoga from the horrible playing work.

salvation

[yoga]

Originally Posted by kmonster

Results:
1 case: Yoga plays the game as intended and enjoys the original balanced challenge.


2 case: Yoga replay's someone else's game instead of Yoga's own game. Yoga gets more XP than intended, the game becomes easier than intended, Yoga doesn't face a challenge, overruns almost everything easily and doesn't improve skill. After a little thinking enlightened Yoga decides to save time and work, just watching a longplay instead of playing will yield the same result. There must be some people who save poor Yoga from the horrible playing work.

salvation

Wow!
New critic, new Hunvagy arises.

Aber!

The brave is in last floor of Citadel and meet Poquelin.
Very nice. But

If yoga reads WT, he will knows that smart hammer-killer of Iron golem Must be kept till now.

Result:
yoga zuruck because he somewhere lost or sale this weapon.

Ha ha ha
I like the discussions.

LOL

[Capo]

Originally Posted by yoga

Ciao, Caro Capo.
Please allow me one more argument for WT taken just before 5 minutes from my adventure in IWD.
OK.

I am in Marketh domain 2-nd floor.

1 case: yoga does not have and read WT.
He met Lord Marketh and... yes killed him.
The result: 8000 XP.

2 case: yoga have and read WT.
He met Lord Marketh and... spare his life as promised early to Ginafae.
The result: 150000 XP.!!!
and some more after advices poor blind lady that her lover is alive.

You are clever gamer and may compare above results...

CC-- Stop, stop , yoga , you are cheating.

yoga - Cheating? No, simply I use the knowledge of wise persons.
After your logic we had to discover again the wheel?

No, I do not want as stupid fly closed in glass jar to bash my head in glass..





Viva Lazio!!

Thats the wrong way of playing a rpg dear yoga, in those game you should do what you fell right to do, not what a wt tells you is better to do, playing like that just destroy all the philosophy behind that games and behind playing a videogame imho.

So are you ruining your gameplay experience ? Yes
Are you cheating ? Yes

Obviously you can play as you wish and for sure some old games are so hard that a look at a WT is legit. (Damn lands of lore 2 )

Via Juve!!

[twillight]

Originally Posted by Capo

Thats the wrong way of playing a rpg dear yoga, in those game you should do what you fell right to do, not what a wt tells you is better to do, playing like that just destroy all the philosophy behind that games and behind playing a videogame imho.

So are you ruining your gameplay experience ? Yes
Are you cheating ? Yes

Obviously you can play as you wish and for sure some old games are so hard that a look at a WT is legit. (Damn lands of lore 2 )

Via Juve!!

Well, then tel that to the developers too pls.
Because the cRPGs are mostly about pixelhunting, hidden dialogues and doing things the "right" order. And don't tell me you didn't look things up after such idiocity like Kangaxx, or Adamantite Golem in De'Arnise Keep blocking your way permanently.

Also pls note, that in the current case we're not talking about a whole game, but playing the game in a very specific way, what is for a normal player seems/turns out impossible.

Oh and just to report: only the Ravager and Melissan stands in my way. And I started to write that guide (not walkthrough, just a guide).

EDIT1: Not even Ravager had chance.
Equipment&stats-report:
stats: 25/19/21/16/21/5
main hand thaco: -15, offhand thaco: -11, number of attacks: 4
saving throws: -3(-6)/-1(-6)/-2(-6)/-1(-11)/0(-6)
proficiencies: bastard sword, longsword, axe, katana, flail, twohanded swords, twohanded style, two weapon style (all 2, except TWS what is 3)
resistances: fire/cold/electric 20%, slashing/cutting/piercing 40%, missile 45%, magic damage 50%, magic 70%
AC -20, HP 283
armor: BMU/human flesh armor (I mostly use this)
bracers: Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise
helm: Helm of Balduran
cloack: Cloak of Balduran
amulet: Amulet of Seldarine
rings: Ring of Gaxx, Ring of Earth Control
boots: Boots of Haste
belt: Belt of Inertial Barrier
ammo: BMR ammunitions
backpack: scroll cae, potion case, bag of holding, gem bag
quick items: Rod of Reversal, Horn of Blasting, Bottle of Efreeti
weapons: Flail of Ages +5, Axe of Unyielding +5, Foebane +5, Angurvadal +5, Offhand: Defender of Eastheaven (for change also Sword of Balduran + Hindo's Doom)
Other items for use: Spectral brand +5, Vhailor's helm, Gargoyle boots, Ilbratha, Bracers of blinding strike, Improved cloak of protection +2, Amulet of cheeta speed, Wand of cursing

[yoga]

Originally Posted by twillight

Well, then tel that to the developers too pls.
Because the cRPGs are mostly about pixelhunting, hidden dialogues and doing things the "right" order. And don't tell me you didn't look things up after such idiocity like Kangaxx, or Adamantite Golem in De'Arnise Keep blocking your way permanently.

Also pls note, that in the current case we're not talking about a whole game, but playing the game in a very specific way, what is for a normal player seems/turns out impossible.

Oh and just to report: only the Ravager and Melissan stands in my way. And I started to write that guide (not walkthrough, just a guide).

Bravo, Bravo, drága Magesnik!
(Mage from Balaton lake).


How the hell, my dear critics, opponents and friends, the gamer will know that without THIS very special hammer of Conlan he will be unable to kill 2-3 Iron Golems at last final battle?

Again? How?
Noch ein mal? Wie? Gnadige Herrn Kmonster
Anche in questo caso? Come? Caro Capo
Megint? Hogyan? úr Hunvagy

Pls, do not kidding yoga because the brave is Kidding Master..

Ha ha ha

Lands of Lore 2?
My cat yesterday finished that game..

Better try lvl 8 of Prince of Percia.
or Warcraft lvl 8.
(The protagonist must free a peasant in very hard situation)

LOL

[kmonster]

Originally Posted by yoga

How the hell, my dear critics, opponents and friends, the gamer will know that without THIS very special hammer of Conlan he will be unable to kill 2-3 Iron Golems at last final battle?

No problem, you don't need the hammer. I even sold it long before entering Malavon's lair and killed the Golems in melee very fast without problems.
Any monster can be hurt with +3 or +4 weapons (no special hammer which is crappy versus other monsters required) and many of those can't be missed, like the axe +4.

When did you decide using walkthrougs ? Which traumatic event in BG1 or BG2 did make you do this ?

[yoga]

Originally Posted by kmonster

No problem, you don't need the hammer. I even sold it long before entering Malavon's lair and killed the Golems in melee very fast without problems.
Any monster can be hurt with +3 or +4 weapons (no special hammer which is crappy versus other monsters required) and many of those can't be missed, like the axe +4.

When did you decide using walkthrougs ? Which traumatic event in BG1 or BG2 did make you do this ?

Hmmm..
Remember the hard battle of the brave with second Lich-that wich arising from the sarcophagus in BG2?

This is second hard moment in brave gamer life.

First was when in Betrayer at Krondor suddenly some strange fat men grow from the earth and attacked me.

No, I do not use WT regularly.
Just for this final battle with monk in the IWD 1.
And no more!!

OK, we will not discuss this event.
Sure, one is proud when no WT used. Moreover we all the gamers created a special feeling of logics of the game after so many played games - especially RPG.

Si, Caro Capo?
Bene.


Dear Kmonster, would be so kind tell us how do You beat
Poquelin.

Me?
I will attack first 2 Iron Golems.
After their elimination will concentrate on the monk Poquelin.
I do have +4 weapon and Conlan hammer.
Wicky will attack with 4+ sword,
until my Paco with bash with the hammer.
This is my plan.

To be fair, I do not expect that game is going to end.
I think the main battle is after more adventures.
But how many games are in IWD saga? 2-6-8?

[yoga]

And very special Thanks to very brave
Mage from Balaton lake.

He knows why.

[twillight]

Originally Posted by kmonster

Any monster can be hurt with +3 or +4 weapons (no special hammer which is crappy versus other monsters required) and many of those can't be missed, like the axe +4.

Actually there are monsters what require +5 weaponry, or +0 weaponry in htis game, thank you very much.

[Capo]

Originally Posted by yoga

Bravo, Bravo, drága Magesnik!
(Mage from Balaton lake).


How the hell, my dear critics, opponents and friends, the gamer will know that without THIS very special hammer of Conlan he will be unable to kill 2-3 Iron Golems at last final battle?

Again? How?
Noch ein mal? Wie? Gnadige Herrn Kmonster
Anche in questo caso? Come? Caro Capo
Megint? Hogyan? úr Hunvagy

Pls, do not kidding yoga because the brave is Kidding Master..

Ha ha ha

Lands of Lore 2?
My cat yesterday finished that game..

Better try lvl 8 of Prince of Percia.
or Warcraft lvl 8.
(The protagonist must free a peasant in very hard situation)

LOL

There are not dead ends in black isle games, you dont need the hammer of Conlan to finish the game. There are dead ends in lands of lore 2, so no, your cat cant complete the game, game who is way more difficult than baldurs gate or icewind dale, having played and completed both i can say this for sure.