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Old 10-11-2011, 02:45 AM   #11
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I know, I'm not even a CEO but for some reason I'd still like to maximize my income! I ought to be ashamed.
Even though it is quite obvious you're only trying to be an ass by stating ridiculous examples, I'm sure you would not want to maximize your income by ignoring disgruntles customers, moving your entire industry to poor countries where you can build your wares at 1/8 the prices at the cost of employee security and loss of jobs while selling the end product the same price or even higher to cover shipping at your home country and by completely ignoring anything else short of making profit with similar bad outcome.

Or... Y'know... Maybe your are. It is starting to be a little complicated to see thru the sarcasm...
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:29 AM   #12
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.....How about media player.....
Ever heard of the Windows N editions?
These were windowses WITHOUT Mediaplayer, because Microsoft had been penalized for it's monopoly on it.

What's not included in N editions of Windows 7?
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Old 10-11-2011, 08:55 AM   #13
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I would hardly call offering a service with Windows a monopoly. There are many other services out there as well provided free of charge to compete with it.

Same goes with Microsoft Security Essentials, not included with Windows cause Norton and Macafee felt threatened by it. Which is just stupid, if you are going to charge people for something and someone else can do better then you for free maybe you should get cracking on earning that money people are paying you.

Not to mention the amount you pay for windows I would bloody expect some nice programs with it.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:23 AM   #14
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"Bloody nice programs" you say?



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Old 10-11-2011, 09:28 AM   #15
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I kept on expecting "But wait there's more a free set of STEAK KNIFES!!!!"

And the standard programs with Windows aren't the best of the best but they do their jobs well and I sure as hell wouldn't pay the price windows costs without them (heck I would like even more for the money really).
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Old 10-11-2011, 11:41 AM   #16
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You don't absolutely have to upgrade you know. I've been using the same version of FF for ages now, I think two versions got over my head already... And it's working flawlessly for what I want it to do.
I had to upgrade from FF1 to FF3 because it crashed on more and more sites. Now it's the same thing with FF4. If I was paranoid, I would think Mozilla is making that to force me into the newest version.
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:32 PM   #17
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....Now it's the same thing with FF4
<- Same here.

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Old 10-11-2011, 11:09 PM   #18
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Even though it is quite obvious you're only trying to be an ass by stating ridiculous examples, I'm sure you would not want to maximize your income by ignoring disgruntles customers, moving your entire industry to poor countries where you can build your wares at 1/8 the prices at the cost of employee security and loss of jobs while selling the end product the same price or even higher to cover shipping at your home country and by completely ignoring anything else short of making profit with similar bad outcome.
Of course I would. And I know people in poor countries like it too when they can get a job, and they hate when the governments of rich countries make laws to prevent imports or outsourcing of manufacturing. And consumers will be happy if lower costs translate into lower prices. But I don't understand why you seem to imply that consumers aren't free to stop patronizing Microsoft, if they considered its products bad or too expensive.

The "disgruntled" users of Windows are divided into two groups: the ones who have tried alternative OSes and haven't liked them, and the ones who don't even want to try; of course all of you know there are alternatives, you just don't like them any better, on the contrary.

As for the programs included in Windows, of course recently US and specially EU governments have imposed restrictions on Microsoft to "defend competition" (punish economic success), as well as multi-million fines.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/ff606439

But the fact that Windows still comes bundled with less functional software than any Linux distro is actually related to its success--not as cause and effect, but as effects of the same cause. Windows was designed from the start as a platform for developers to make their applications as easily as possible, and it relies on them to provide those applications, instead of Microsoft alone. This paradigm works, and everyone knows the amount of software available for Windows (and nowadays .NET) is an order of magnitude higher than for any other platform. If you developed for Microsoft platforms you'd realize the huge amount of expensive assets and services Microsoft provides for free so that you develop for their platform, and how badly you're left out in the cold in comparison when you develop for any other. And end users don't realize it, but developers usually have the greater say on which platform will become widespread, since end users will also prefer the platform that has the greatest choice of applications.

It's ironic that the fact that an OS without applications is useless, means that the OS which comes initially bundled with fewer or hardly any application is the one preferred by most people (as much as they like to complain, just like they would complain of any other OS).
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Old 11-11-2011, 06:08 AM   #19
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I had to upgrade from FF1 to FF3 because it crashed on more and more sites. Now it's the same thing with FF4. If I was paranoid, I would think Mozilla is making that to force me into the newest version.
I would be interested to know what exactly does "crashing" mean... Checking on my FF version I right now use 3.6.3 and I never experienced such a "crash".

I'd even go as far as to take a wild guess and say that those crashes might be more related to bad site construction than the browser itself. And this problem sure plagued the net continuously since its creation.

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Even though it is quite obvious you're only trying to be an ass by stating ridiculous examples, I'm sure you would not want to maximize your income by ignoring disgruntles customers, moving your entire industry to poor countries where you can build your wares at 1/8 the prices at the cost of employee security and loss of jobs while selling the end product the same price or even higher to cover shipping at your home country and by completely ignoring anything else short of making profit with similar bad outcome.
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Of course I would.
Really? I cannot say anything else short of: I'm really disgusted by your statement.

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And I know people in poor countries like it too when they can get a job, and they hate when the governments of rich countries make laws to prevent imports or outsourcing of manufacturing. And consumers will be happy if lower costs translate into lower prices. But I don't understand why you seem to imply that consumers aren't free to stop patronizing Microsoft, if they considered its products bad or too expensive.
Simply because the whole "if you don't like a product then stop purchasing it and the company making it will have to react and change their policy" stopped working as soon as international markets began to be widespread. Even if a single country would downright ban a product then there is roughly what? About a hundred more left to make money from? That principle worked great in the now far past when a company was nothing more than a local business which could never afford to move out of their territory. Right now it simply doesn't work at all anymore, the customers don't have a real choice since it is simply going from bad to worse as far as choices go and if they want to have anything done at all they simply can't go anywhere else. End of story.

On the point of poor countries happy to receive the workflow of other countries, that's most certainly true. The whole problem doesn't originate from them at all though and they really are getting the better part of the deal. I'd say they don't really have a say in the matter, especially since they never actually created wealth but rather simply inherited of the wealth of another nation. This is simply a direct transfer, how can you be proud of that short of being able to say that you managed to up your living standard by stealing it from others?
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I would address your statements, but I'm too busy rolling around in my giant pile of money and being fanned by third world slaves.
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