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Old 21-03-2020, 10:09 AM   #1
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Yes, let's discuss it here too...

This is the best article analyzing different possible policy responses:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coron...e-be9337092b56

I have shared it everywhere on social media. I believe it's important, given the ideas that are circulating, that even some governments such as UK and Holland are considering. I am thinking I should even post it on the front page news. What do you think?

EDIT: For an idea of what the virus causes when spread, watch this video from Italy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J60fQr0GWo
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Old 21-03-2020, 10:33 AM   #2
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It is overexcited garbage. It's not actualy dangerous, and from the political/economical side could solve major problems.


Basic higieny and suggestion to not leave home/avoid contact for elderly (and to infants, possibly pregnants) would be more than enough.


Quarantine for the whole population is nonsense, and won't achieve anything but economical collapse.


I also hoped at least gaming sites would avoid this annoying, overabused topic, which is extremly abused by theocratic parties and regimes.
The only good thing in the whole thing is, it revealed there are, and never were conservaties in democracies. It is a wr between the oudated religious fascists, and the sane democratic people, later being the only capable upholding civilisation in the long terms. The others ("right wing","conservatives", "christians"and other religious parties etc.) deny SCIENCE in general (say the Earth is flat, vaccination does not cure anything but makes everyone authistic, climate change is a work of God and can and should nothing to be done with it, AND nuke everyone, and evolution is not true, and gays and atheists shall be exterminated, and so on).


There. Now you got this. Happy now?
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Debate is welcome. However I would encourage to keep it within the domain of public health or science, and not mix it with politics, however related it may be. Let me remind that political or religious discussions by themselves are unwelcome in the forums because sadly they are always flame bait.
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Old 21-03-2020, 12:43 PM   #4
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Debate is welcome. However I would encourage to keep it within the domain of public health or science, and not mix it with politics, however related it may be. Let me remind that political or religious discussions by themselves are unwelcome in the forums because sadly they are always flame bait.

The health and science issue is, THIS VIRUS IS NOT AN EPIDEMIC. Itis not the Yellow Fewer, not the Bubonic Plague, it is NOT DANGEROUS TO SOCIETY.


They ACT like it is, what put this whole thing instead of rational, and scientific reaction to purely political field.
This makes THE WHOLE CORONA VIRUS ISSUE PURELY POLITICAL. And imagine whose politics it is? Yes, you got it, THE RELIGIOUS PARTIES POLITICS.


There's nothing to discuss here, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL DANGER. They pretend there is to strip you from your rights, make you believe statariums, soldiers on the street is for your own sake, and science can not be trusted, you must turn to their bronze-age god - it is NOT.
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Old 22-03-2020, 12:50 PM   #6
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There's nothing to discuss here, BECAUSE THERE IS NO REAL DANGER
About 0.5% of people between the ages 15-64 who have caught the virus, have died. Of course, the percentage is the higher the older the people are but even for young adults it's around 0.2%.

There are ~4,000,000,000 people in the world aged 15-64.
Let's say 1/10th of those people get the virus: 400,000,000 people.
So, 0.5% * 400,000,000 = 2,000,000 dead

2 million people dead, and you say "THERE IS NO REAL DANGER"

Also, those numbers could be even worse but they can also be a lot lower.
Still, taking some precautions is the smart thing to do. If we did nothing, then we really could have 400,000,000 people who get the virus.
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2 million people dead, and you say "THERE IS NO REAL DANGER"
While I disagree with twillight about "no real danger", I cannot help to notice that number there quite alike to the common cold. Or flu. Except obvious exclusion of elder population that, it seems, have much worse consequences with it. Just as Italy shown, unfortunately. Still, I think too, that treating it as "global pandemy" is wrong - you need to be extremely cautious, if you are over 60, but that's it. Current self-inducing depression can be much worse on the long run.

Japo, while I agree that total quarantine could be the solution of the problem, I doubt it's truly possible. And as my friends tells me, USA, for example, don't understand the urgency, so it's all minuses without any plusses. *shrug* I dunno. We'll see.
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Old 21-03-2020, 03:55 PM   #8
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It is overexcited garbage. It's not actualy dangerous, and from the political/economical side could solve major problems.
Italian here, 20 dead at hour in italy
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Italian here, 20 dead at hour in italy

And all of them 80+, and addto that that Italy was not flattened like 1000 years ago, what makes the whole place ideal for outbreakes.


But in the end it makes the case irrelevant.
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One important question:
How many people died because the catched coronavirus, but there was no other diseases?

In Poland official information which is given to the people tells that all people that died "because of coronavirus" had other illness.

Corona virus is like hiv. When you are in good shape you can have it and don't even know that.

Problem starts when you catch some disease. Suddenly it can end to you with death.

Still... did we had Pandemia and closed people when AIDS was discovered?

It's very hard to say what should be better to be done. What is perfectly sure - World Economics will be totally fucked up after this.
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