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[Titan]

Well... i have to say that i don't have much left over for Bush, and that Moore is the counter-weight that is needed...

I know alot of ppl see Moore as a traitor.. but i still cant belive +10k ppl die every yr due to the numrous guns avalible... here in sweden, last yr 18 ppl where killed in total.. including the once the police shot..

Well, that's USA, hm? The land of unlimited possibilities and freedom...

[LotharGR]

Yes, but i believe that americans have mistaken the term "freedom" a bit. The boundaries of your freedom end where the boundaries of another person's freedom start. But many people do not follow that rule, so thats the reason why people should not walk around with guns.

[Stroggy]

If anybody would try to take away my guns... I'd shoot them.
What many don't understand is that shooting is a hobby.
Its very relaxing and quite difficult aswell (controlling breat, making sure every aprt is well oiled and the right bullets are being used)
very relaxing.

If guns are taken away from the civilians the only ones who still have guns are the criminals.
Guns don't kill people, morons kill people.
Its very difficult at times to get a good gun in germany... but that didn't stop that maniac from killing 18 people in the Gutenberg school in Erfurt last year.
I don't see any Hans Mooreman (the german counterpart of Moore) making a movie called 'Bowling for Erfurt'

oh and to stay on topic:
the best way to kill Moore is by doing the following (WARNING: violence):
Start clubbing him to death with a baseballbat while shouting "ban this, fatty!"

[LotharGR]

So what? Should people take the law to their hands? Yes, criminals will always have guns. If ordinary people have guns too, what we will become? A war zone? Who ensures me that everyone is sane enough to carry a gun? Are there any fail-safe tests to ensure that? I suppose that in Germany you don't have 10.000 deaths every year by gun fighting. And then again, Germany does not have 300 million people like US, it is only 80 million. But you don't have neither the 1/3 of the deaths from guns the US has. This is the idea that does not let people having guns. Ok, having guns for sport or for hunting etc isn't bad, but in this matter, fighting fire with fire isn't solving anything.

[Stroggy]

I can only speak for europe, but:
there are very strict gun policies.
Usually civilians with guns are the most stable people around.
They must prove that they have a stable family life and a stable job.
Usually people at the shooting range are people with a set government job either in politics or law.
There ARE tests and this test has to be taken every year.

You have a twisted view on people with guns.
Gunowners with a permit aren't the kind of people you see in footballgames or in pubs drinking all the time.
At the shootingrange I visit the people all wear suits and are all quite wealthy (guns are a hobby... and not a cheap one!)

They are also not the kind of people to go killing people.
That happens when, somehow, their child gets hold of a loaded gun (which is, obviously, the biggest no-no in Gun Permits)
In that case its the fault of the gunowner, not the government issuing out the gun permits!
Don't go off on a crusade against guns just because some moron got hold of his dad's gun!

I live in belgium, almost everybody in my neighbourhood is a legal gunowner.
Belgium is all but a warzone, so please, please read up on legal gunownership before you go off saying things like

If ordinary people have guns too, what we will become? A war zone?

(just so you know you don't need a permit to buy a crossbow, longbow or real sword in Belgium)

[Tom Henrik]

You need a permit to buy a Crossbow in Norway.

So I have one

[Stroggy]

You need a permit to buy a Crossbow in Norway.

So I have one *

Hmm, i've always been interested in that.
Not that I like crossbows that much... but are there shooting ranges and such things for crossbows?

What kind of crossbows are we talking about.
the new hightech ones with a scope and such... or the old fashioned ones?

[Tom Henrik]

No.

You may have a crossbow in Norway, but you are not allowed to use it. That would be a quick way to spend some free time in jail.

As for the type of crossbow, it is a hunting crossbow. But I have not bought the scope and hunting arrows for it, because I feel it looses the feel of the old crossbows. I think a scope on a crossbow looks akward and malplaced, like a scope on a pistol for exsample... Looks stupid.

[Stroggy]

so it serves no other goal but... decoration?