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Old 13-01-2009, 06:33 PM   #51
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A fresh start would be attempted if forced on us, but you shouldn't consider it too lightly. Money is by no means the most critical aspect. Managing a big site like this, not to mention building it from scratch, demands a huge dedication. I guess that's why Kosta left, his position here was incompatible with his current occupation.

If we consider the Abandonia magazine as an example, the first issue could by now have been finished even by a single person. There were many people willing to help here and there, but in the end the project is stranded. Needless to say, building a site like Abandonia is a trillion times more demanding.

Kosta put a lot of work into it and if he's done with it, I think our best option is trying to preserve what we have, and fixing what we can when necessary. But even for that, full access is needed. Or from another point of view, someone has to have full access, that's obvious for any website, moreover one that wasn't finished or debugged.
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Old 13-01-2009, 06:42 PM   #52
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comparing the abandonia to abandonned times is totally unballanced. i believe people would act more dedicated to building a new abandonia than to some magazine. for example i would be gald to help with the site, but i have no need to donate to the magazine or whatsover

but yeah there's been a lot of work done with building this website we should concentrate on this, and maybe in time we'll be even able to fix bugs=S
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Old 14-01-2009, 04:04 AM   #53
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If we consider the Abandonia magazine as an example, the first issue could by now have been finished even by a single person. There were many people willing to help here and there, but in the end the project is stranded. Needless to say, building a site like Abandonia is a trillion times more demanding.
The problem was that people had the material which never got to me in the end so I was endlessly waiting for content that was out there somewhere. I'm still willing to make the layout and contribute but I can't write all the articles - that was never the point. If I'm to still receive the material, I'm still up for continuing and maybe once the first issue is made, it will make people be a bit more serious about it.
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Old 14-01-2009, 02:42 PM   #54
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Surely then, the only option is to soldier on until whatever contract with studentis runs out, then simply find a new host or rehost with studentis under a new monarchy, thus regaining full access to the site?

If we don't have full access to the site server, but the site code is bugged anyway, perhaps starting from fresh is a better idea in the long run? I mean, we have 4 years to perfect a new site, right?
Surely this should be seen as an opportunity!
Or am I missing something here?
You're missing practically everything.
Right now we don't know a) who holds the legal rights to the site's name b) who holds the legal rights to ownership of the site c) what happens when the 4 years run out.

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Once the contract runs out wont the name be available again though?
That is a definite no. Someone owns the copyright. Whether this is Kosta or Studentis, we don't know.

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The problem was that people had the material which never got to me in the end so I was endlessly waiting for content that was out there somewhere. I'm still willing to make the layout and contribute but I can't write all the articles - that was never the point. If I'm to still receive the material, I'm still up for continuing and maybe once the first issue is made, it will make people be a bit more serious about it.
Abandoned Times failed because each and every time someone we _depended_on_ to do something critical has either disappeared or refused to perform in their duties, taking all materials they collected along with them.

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that's obvious for any website, moreover one that wasn't finished or debugged.
Things are starting to clear somewhat. We don't know full details, but Kosta apparently doesn't want to have anything to do with Abandonia anymore.
Which is weird, but also explains why nothing was done with the bugs for a long time. Kosta was the person who was supposed to inform the Studentis support team about things that require fixing.
When he stopped doing that, the bugfixes - understandably - also ceased.
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Old 15-01-2009, 10:34 PM   #55
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Does that mean that we now have no contact with Studentis, or that we are now able to contact them directly?
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Old 15-01-2009, 11:48 PM   #56
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here is my humble opinion.

domain Abandonia.com is registered by Studentis group (as every one can verify by via whois), whose aim isn't surely to preserve old games or support the abandonware scene. they mantain this site open because it's profitable, and this site is profitable because of your work (and a little bit of mine, too, for the italian translations... but this is another story). if this site will stop to be profitable, your access badge will expire.

hope to be wrong

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Old 16-01-2009, 12:59 PM   #57
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They mantain this site open because it's profitable, and this site is profitable because of your work [...]
This is still valid, this site is profitable.
As you can se we did huge steps forward recently...think positive
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