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[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by plague@Dec 12 2005, 02:44 PM
Unless you are strong enough to break the whole skull.

You have just to break the cartilage wich could cause a dangerouse haemorrhage, even if it not reach the brain (which should be possible if Bruce made that, of course!)

[omg]

and then there is the fact that you look at a skull and there is like a hole going through where the nose is. i thought it was possible to drive the cartilige into the brain as there is no bone in the way. and of course bruce willis did it in last boy scout so its REAL...

[Evad]

http://ks.essortment.com/martialartsstr_rlnz.htm



On ending a fight with a nose shot, with adrenaline the pain is absolutely managable. I have seen fights where a jujitsu guy took a good shot in the face and still managed to get a hold of the guy and take him down and submit him. The real benifite to this target in my humble opinion is that it causes the eyes to water, which takes out his sight. I'm confident that if I was hit in the nose but could still grab the guy I could still fight him. When I am grappling I rarely look at the guy, and go mostly off of feel, so apart from the pain, my skills would still be there, and I'd probably be really :evil:

Against a trained fighter, a boxer for instance, who's probably been hit in the nose so many times that the cartilege is shattered and all the nerves are dead, you would have to capitalise on this shot and finnish it. I'm by no means saying it is a bad target, just that unless you follow it up and finish the guy, it's still on.

Also, a trained fighter will protect their center line and a quick shot to the face/nose is such a predictable target. Lots of people know the classic one-two combination(just a jab followed by a cross). The beauty of this combination is multiplied when you also vary the target regions. An example would be jab to nose, and follow with reverse cross to the solar plexus. Expect both to count, but if the first one doesn't, then make the second on count as his hands probably went up to protect his face. If the first one to the nose did in fact hit, then he is in trouble, and probably expects another shot to the face. This will leave his abdomen, and his soft open belly open for a nice sock in the solar plexus, which will definitely disrupt him. The solar plexus, unlike the nose, is a nerve nexus in your lower abdomen, and disrupts your breathing. Anyone who has ever had the wind knocked out of them knows what I am talking about. To find it take your fingers and press them into your upper abs just under the ribs. Try and relax and press your finger in and a little up. I have been hit here, when I was in peak condition and doing 200 sit ups a day 5 days a week and it bent me over.
Too many people are head hunters. :evil:

There are three main targets when dealing with any confrontation, Mobility, Artillery, and Reconnasence. Sure there are others but they all depend on these assets. With man vs man these represent eyes, legs and arms. When dealing with a bigger guy, your main advantage(although not necessarily) is agility. If you can not break the conflict with it, strengthen it buy taking out his mobility.A low Thai round kick to the leg has been proven to be esspecially effective in this regard.

lastly, in my experience, if you land a good shot anywhere, expect him to hit you back in the exact same spot. I don't know why, I've even caught myself doing it, but it is human nature to hurt back in the same manner that hurt you. If you do get hit somewhere, and you both know it hurt, then a sure fire tactic is to feint(pretent to hit) back in the very same spot, and when he goes to defend it go for his opening.

[Bp103]

I use my elbows. Its the hardest part of the body

[omg]

i use my mouth. it has gotten me out of a lot of fights.

[Evad]

Elbos(and knees) are great, the only thing is that they are close range weapons, which are in grappling and trapping range. If you are significantly smaller then your opponents this is not a viable option. Better is to stay away and chip away. At first at least.
Mouths can work as well, but your mouth is much more convincing when you are confident that you have the tools necessary to defend yourself. There is a time when a person may be forced to put their money where their mouth is. This is kinda why people may see the martial arts as a contradiction; as it teaches how to fight but preaches non-violence(at least most of them do ) The reasoning is that after a few years of practice you don't have to prove anything anymore, but, you know deep down inside that if push comes to shove you can handle yourself. If everyone took up the martial arts we would have much less (malicious) fighting I suspect.

[omg]

i train and that, but i prefer non violence.

[Bp103]

I was going to edit my post to include knees....never mind

I don't like fighting but I kick @ss when they get me mad. It takes a few min.s to do it thow and you have to be a major dick to me.

Oh yeah Throw rocks "They hurt"
*Little pebbles hurt the worse*

[blastradius14]

Originally posted by Evad@Dec 12 2005, 08:41 PM
http://ks.essortment.com/martialartsstr_rlnz.htm



On ending a fight with a nose shot, with adrenaline the pain is absolutely managable. I have seen fights where a jujitsu guy took a good shot in the face and still managed to get a hold of the guy and take him down and submit him. The real benifite to this target in my humble opinion is that it causes the eyes to water, which takes out his sight. I'm confident that if I was hit in the nose but could still grab the guy I could still fight him. When I am grappling I rarely look at the guy, and go mostly off of feel, so apart from the pain, my skills would still be there, and I'd probably be really :evil:

Against a trained fighter, a boxer for instance, who's probably been hit in the nose so many times that the cartilege is shattered and all the nerves are dead, you would have to capitalise on this shot and finnish it. I'm by no means saying it is a bad target, just that unless you follow it up and finish the guy, it's still on.

Also, a trained fighter will protect their center line and a quick shot to the face/nose is such a predictable target. Lots of people know the classic one-two combination(just a jab followed by a cross). The beauty of this combination is multiplied when you also vary the target regions. An example would be jab to nose, and follow with reverse cross to the solar plexus. Expect both to count, but if the first one doesn't, then make the second on count as his hands probably went up to protect his face. If the first one to the nose did in fact hit, then he is in trouble, and probably expects another shot to the face. This will leave his abdomen, and his soft open belly open for a nice sock in the solar plexus, which will definitely disrupt him. The solar plexus, unlike the nose, is a nerve nexus in your lower abdomen, and disrupts your breathing. Anyone who has ever had the wind knocked out of them knows what I am talking about. To find it take your fingers and press them into your upper abs just under the ribs. Try and relax and press your finger in and a little up. I have been hit here, when I was in peak condition and doing 200 sit ups a day 5 days a week and it bent me over.
Too many people are head hunters. :evil:

There are three main targets when dealing with any confrontation, Mobility, Artillery, and Reconnasence. Sure there are others but they all depend on these assets. With man vs man these represent eyes, legs and arms. When dealing with a bigger guy, your main advantage(although not necessarily) is agility. If you can not break the conflict with it, strengthen it buy taking out his mobility.A low Thai round kick to the leg has been proven to be esspecially effective in this regard.

lastly, in my experience, if you land a good shot anywhere, expect him to hit you back in the exact same spot. I don't know why, I've even caught myself doing it, but it is human nature to hurt back in the same manner that hurt you. If you do get hit somewhere, and you both know it hurt, then a sure fire tactic is to feint(pretent to hit) back in the very same spot, and when he goes to defend it go for his opening.

Eyes watering will also make the blood run more for a while, as salt is not known as an anti-coagulent. Also, It IS possible to kill someone with thier nose cartilage, but you would have to jam thier nose into the skull. You would need enough force to break the nose, and the cartilage connecting it to the skull rim.. thus allowing the cartilage to force backwards and into the center front of the brain. This causes severe bleeding and possible loss of control in the bowels. However, not sight. Sight is in the back of the brain...

The over all damage would also cause a surge of spinal fluid, which in the brain can make them feel like they are either drowning to death or in a very dark, damp room.

Problem with seasoned fighters. Don't gut punch them. They can tighten that so much kicks don't hurt much at all. Better of clobbering thier skull and rattling thier brains LOL

Kidney shots will always hurt though. If you can kick quickly, catch them off guard and hit em there.