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Old 10-03-2006, 05:26 PM   #21
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1st you quoted my "well actually you can"?

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t's not a war, it's a debate. Guess what? In a debate you have to DEFEND YOUR ASSERTATIONS. Thus far you've offered nothing but "well you can use [frames]" and "what if you need them?" without actually offering any examples of when their use is necessar
i told you reason before i wrote you "what if you need"
and i repeated it in previous post with disappointment of your "if you have an enormous amount of text data in a navigation frame it's probably time to rethink your navigation" answer
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Provide me with an example of a situation in which one persistent frame would contain a large amount of text (we're talking at least 10kb) -- I certainly can't think of one.
like whole site? including all the scripts and stuff you use too
becouse frames dont have to be nav bar only=/

and have you read those articles you sent, like "When It's OK to Use Frames"
and you know like css frames have advantages and disadvantages too
http://www.thewebseye.com/articles/rsi01.htm
http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/call/cert/8/frames2.html
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Old 10-03-2006, 05:33 PM   #22
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You still get all the information, it just might not be presented as well. That's a big step up from frames which'll give you either nothing at all, or a poorly worded "this site requires frames" message
Tch. When done right, the frames can be an improvement.
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Old 10-03-2006, 06:07 PM   #23
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Originally posted by _r.u.s.s.@Mar 10 2006, 01:26 PM
1st you quoted my "well actually you can"?
My quoting was was a little screwed up in that post. Price I pay for not doing a very good job of previewing it.

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i told you reason before i wrote you "what if you need"
and i repeated it in previous post with disappointment of your "if you have an enormous amount of text data in a navigation frame it's probably time to rethink your navigation" answer
Not that I can see. I would honestly appreciate it if you'd clearly list these reasons all in one place so I can more easily address them one-by-one as I'm having a terrible time trying to find them among your posts (your English is much, much better than my Slovak, but I do sometimes have trouble parsing your posts).

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Provide me with an example of a situation in which one persistent frame would contain a large amount of text (we're talking at least 10kb) -- I certainly can't think of one.
like whole site? including all the scripts and stuff you use too
becouse frames dont have to be nav bar only=/
The whole site? Using frames doesn't magically make the whole site faster. Scripts are cached, and I'm not sure what you mean by "stuff you use to."

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and have you read those articles you sent, like "When It's OK to Use Frames"
and you know like css frames have advantages and disadvantages too
http://www.thewebseye.com/articles/rsi01.htm
http://www.mml.cam.ac.uk/call/cert/8/frames2.html
Of course I've read those articles. Notice that the date on the article you're talking about is December of 1996 which long predates the newer, better methods of accomplishing meta-pages and scrolling short-cuts.

As for your links, it's the same-old, same-old. Personally, the first link doesn't really impress me as being all that well-done (the writing is rather poor and there are more things which stick out as fundamentally wrong). The second link makes only 3 points, all of which have been addressed by CSS.

The four "advantages" listed in the first article are:
  • Easier to navigate
  • Faster
  • Easier to maintain
  • Ads
I've addressed all four of them before.
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Old 11-03-2006, 12:27 AM   #24
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woah.. 7 qoutes in one post.. been a loong time since Einjarhart was on this site with his multi-qouting and FLAMING..

Calm down. the guy was asking for help ffs, not a war.
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Old 11-03-2006, 09:04 AM   #25
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look, iam giving up, there s no reason for me to urge you that frames are "better then css", i didnt even told they are, you jusnt dont listen to me and iam sorry if you dont understand my english=/. mortify frames just becouse of hyperlinking is not wise. all i wanted to say is that frames have disadvantages, BUT advantages too and they may be useful and easier to use for some ppl

and btw titan is right
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Old 11-03-2006, 04:26 PM   #26
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woah.. 7 qoutes in one post.. been a loong time since Einjarhart was on this site with his multi-qouting and FLAMING..
I break up quotes to address points specifically. It keeps the discussion focused and allows other people to see exactly what I'm responding to.

As for flaming, I've been over this before: show me where I flamed him. Are you familiar with what a flame actually is? It's an inflammatory post which does not advance the discussion. Just because I'm abrasive doesn't mean that I'm flaming someone.
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Old 12-03-2006, 02:36 AM   #27
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woah.. 7 qoutes in one post.. been a loong time since Einjarhart was on this site with his multi-qouting and FLAMING..

Calm down. the guy was asking for help ffs, not a war.
Yeah, and I asked another question a while back but yous just said "Oooh, ppost above must fl4mz0rz0rz!!!11!"
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Old 12-03-2006, 10:31 AM   #28
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hehe what exactly do you mean by
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anchors for "Back to top"
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You know how peoples have links that say "back to top" on their sites and when ou click it it scrolls up to the top. Do I need to make anchors for this.
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Yes.
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