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[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by efthimios@Jul 15 2005, 04:27 AM
Triton,
no you wouldn't bend the rules because according to the christian beliefs the god does not make mistakes. He doesn't have to bend the rules, he knows everythings that ever was is and will be no matter what.

In fact God doesn't make mistakes! But we are able to do mistakes, cause He created us free!
Matter/energy is perfect, we can't destroy or create it, like physics say... the evil stays only in our "hearts" like the good...

About hell, it's just staying far from God, an ethernity without The Love... I thnk that's worse than flames... and Dante's book doesn't speak about hell: it's an allegoric (metaphoric) description, that speak mainly about italian situation in his times and other things like this!

[Astral]

I didn't read all the topic, just to say my opinion...

Heaven is a place with no responsbilities or something close to it...

[BeefontheBone]

's a halfpipe, innit?

Damn, now that irritating song is stuck in my head. Grrr.

[Shrek]

All righty then.... let me see if i can contribute with something usefull for this topic.

first, let me say i was raised as a catholic, and that, as obvious has great influence in my opinion for this matter. however, as long as i' ve been growing and my mind has been becaming "self-aware" step by step, some of my ideas have been adapted so they fit all togheter with my learnings. I belive God (or whatever you want to call Him) is the Universe, from every single grain of dust to the biggest star somewhere out there. we all are a part of it. respecting Him means respecting each others and all living things. loving Him is also loving each others and all living things. our Soul is what makes us being alive, without it, our body is dead; it is some kind of energy or life-force. and when the body dies, that energy will have to go somewhere (so laws of physics can be applied here too) and there's where Heaven and Hell appears.

I belive both of them are everywhere, in the same Universe as we are, but in diferent dimensions, where we can't reach them or even see them. I also belive that according to our actions while we were alive, there will be more or less freedom for the our soul; so the good souls will have more chances to interact with our dimension, and some of these will probably choose to re-incarnate as for most of them will be just like "lurkers" who just watch what's happening, barely interfere.

after reading this before i post it, i just reallized that most of you will call me "moron" for thinking like this, but, oh well, i can live with that :bleh:

[Doubler]

Appart from this line:

I also belive that according to our actions while we were alive, there will be more or less freedom for the our soul; so the good souls will have more chances to interact with our dimension

I could almost agree with you. Not entirely, but in a general direction.

You're certainly no "moron" to me.

[omg]

Originally posted by lethe@Jul 14 2005, 12:43 PM
Another issue that puzzles me: It's written in the Bible that if you live a good life, your gift would be to stay on Earth.

sounds a bit like reincarnation to me :whistle:

[Borodin]

Originally posted by Quintopotere@Jul 14 2005, 06:47 PM
Love is perfection! In heaven we will able to love perfectly like God!

Being "like" perfection is not perfection, and love, in and by itself, is also not perfection. A deity that is the entire universe and all that is in it is not merely love. To be in a place that is static without the possibility of growth, and without being perfect within oneself, is again, I feel, no heaven at all.

Originally posted by Quintopotere
In fact God doesn't make mistakes!

God doesn't make mistakes, he just changes his mind.

[lethe]

Originally posted by omg+Jul 15 2005, 07:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (omg @ Jul 15 2005, 07:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-lethe@Jul 14 2005, 12:43 PM
Another issue that puzzles me: It's written in the Bible that if you live a good life, your gift would be to stay on Earth.

sounds a bit like reincarnation to me :whistle:[/b][/quote]
Yes, but that's against what is mostly believed (good life --> heaven, yar yar)

QUOTE (Quintopotere)
In fact God doesn't make mistakes!


God doesn't make mistakes, he just changes his mind.

:roflol: LOL :roflol:

[a1s]

Originally posted by omg@Jul 15 2005, 07:56 PM
sounds a bit like reincarnation to me :whistle:

I remeber reading an article about early chrisianity , guess what? they believed in a sort of reincarnation. I'll try to find that article.