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[Fubb]

some video's i pulled from youtube about the Iran Riots:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld7YB...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNStzr9n5Ww (warning that one actually contains GUNSHOTS and a wounded person, watch at your own risk!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsHE_uUJJdw (this one has violence, a guy gets hit in the legs i believe, you don't see blood or anything, dang them Iranians are brave, they rush right to him!)

Anyways, whats your takes on the Ayatollah, the elections, and the riots in Iran? For? Against? debate about it people!

[Tulac]

http://original.antiwar.com/sahimi/2...lection-drama/

Basically ajatollah is in command, 2nd generation of revolutionaries is trying to seize all the power from the old guard and reformators.

[ComboTroop]

All i know is, a group of Iranians dont like this government and as in return are roiting agaisnt them! And the government is trying to stop this riot with violence...
What has the world gone to these days... Thought we Humans were somewhat "civilzed"

[Japo]

Originally Posted by Tulac

Basically ajatollah is in command, 2nd generation of revolutionaries is trying to seize all the power from the old guard and reformators.

Dunno I've heard that analysis before but it doesn't quite add up. Granted I once said to a friend that Ahmadinejad is so megalomaniac that he might prove too much even for the ayatollahs; but he's always been closely aligned with them. And now the Supreme Ayatollah has inequivocally supported the official ellection results, and Ahmadinejad.

In addition, Ahmadinejad does not belong to any 2nd generation, but to the 1st generation of the Iranian Revolution.

If Ahmadinejad wanted to take power he would need to go for a full coup, and most of the armed forces also including the Revolutionary Guards are likely to follow their supreme commander ayatollah Khamenei.

You'll have to show me some symptoms that Ahmadinejad is not aligned with Khamenei.

I'd bet that, if they manage to quell this, which is most probable to happen, Khamenei will follow China's example and terminate any cosmetic pseudo democratic traits from the government, to prevent it from repeating. Already up to now candidates must be approved by the regime, but they could go for single candidate ellections or an equivalency.

[El Quia]

Originally Posted by Japo

Dunno I've heard that analysis before but it doesn't quite add up. Granted I once said to a friend that Ahmadinejad is so megalomaniac that he might prove too much even for the ayatollahs; but he's always been closely aligned with them. And now the Supreme Ayatollah has inequivocally supported the official ellection results, and Ahmadinejad.

In addition, Ahmadinejad does not belong to any 2nd generation, but to the 1st generation of the Iranian Revolution.

If Ahmadinejad wanted to take power he would need to go for a full coup, and most of the armed forces also including the Revolutionary Guards are likely to follow their supreme commander ayatollah Khamenei.

You'll have to show me some symptoms that Ahmadinejad is not aligned with Khamenei.

I'd bet that, if they manage to quell this, which is most probable to happen, Khamenei will follow China's example and terminate any cosmetic pseudo democratic traits from the government, to prevent it from repeating. Already up to now candidates must be approved by the regime, but they could go for single candidate ellections or an equivalency.

I think he meant that the opposition are the 2nd generation.

[Tulac]

I just summed up what's written in that text really, so I advise that you read up on it.

[Japo]

In Iran the supreme Leader is in charge, and the President is only his Chief Executive Officer, both formally and in practice. The best thing a President can hope for is becoming supreme Leader some day. Just like Khamenei did.

Thinking about confronted factions in the clergy and the military has no basis either. Iran is a militaristic theocracy and all the military forces are under total control of the religious apparatus and ultimately of the supreme Leader in person.

Thinking that Ahmadinejad acts against Khamenei, and that the latter is impotent to resist him, is ludicrous; and even more suggesting that Khamenei doesn't support Ahmadinejad's foreign policy--which is exactly the same of the last 30 years, as well as there have always been Western appeasers during those years, so these stories aren't new. The article doesn't mention any hard datum. Subscribing its thesis without evidence, and after Khamenei--whose supreme power hasn't of course been contested in the least by any party--explicitly supported Ahmadinejad and the questioned election results, is in my opinion believing in fairy tales.