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[gregor]

Yeah about the latest massacre guy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5346110.stm


Why do they always find the games? i mean we all play games that are more or less violent. It's totally irrelevant and unimportant data if you ask me. :tai:

[Scatty]

What they don't realise is that not games are faulty of people going berserk, but wrong social conditions where parents don't have time for their children or simply don't have an idea of how to bring them up which ends up in children searching for their own place among others, often in such a wrong direction. Blaming games for people's weird psyche and prohibiting / censoring them is easy, but there were such massacre guys already before the term "computer entertainment" firmly established itself.

[Morrin]

When they find no other reasons, they blame something that they are unaware of and that is easiest to blame. It's inquisition. Holy war.

Or that's atleast how it goes if you like to think black & white.

[Horoma]

I'd say your right, but ....

Of course, violent video games aren't THE cause of violent behaviour, same goes for violent movies and television series. But I'm still astonished to see so much violence on screen, while there is plenty of censorship on nudeness and eroticism. It's like saying : "Killing people is allowed, but reproduction is forbidden". Though seeing so much violence does not make one violent, it does make one indifferent when seeing violence. I can watch a movie where the "hero" kills dozens of people, without feeling any emotions towards the victims. Of course, I know they're only actors, and brutal violence in real life can still shock me. But I'm not sure if children really make that distinction. For this reason, I think it's good to keep children (and I don't mean teenagers) away from highly realistic and ultraviolent video games.

When it comes to violent behaviour, I agree that social conditions are often the most important factor. That's why violence (and other criminal activities) appears frequently in families in decent neighbourhoods. Pressure in modern day work environments is often so suffocating, many parents are having difficulties to balance carreer and family life. You could say they need the income for raising their children, so they don't always have a choice. But in many cases, parents just want to stick up with others in their social class (mobile phone, 2nd car, GPS, home cinema, etc.) and should really think about what's most important, their social status or their children. I know what 's most important to me. k:

I don't know the statistics, but I wouldn't be surprised if violence were more frequent amongst players of violent video games. But, statistics should always be treated with caution, as they fail to take into consideration cause and result. What I mean is that people with violent tendencies will be more likely to start playing violent video games. So there may be more violent people amongst the violent game players, but that doesn't mean their behaviour is caused by playing such games.

<Walks away and starts playing some Carmageddon>

[Morrin]

It is correct that violent content, playing or watching, can affect your behaviour... but...

Let's take a game "condemned: criminal origins". The game is psychological thriller, with very brutal violence and very dark and scary atmosphere. You enter room and hear noise. You see dark figure running in next room. You shoot but miss. You check the ammo: no ammo! Damn. You drop your gun and grap the pipe running at wall. Right at the moment, a drug addict runs at you, swinging locker doorBANG! Ouch. You take it back and swing the pipe at the thugs face, giving the guy horrible scream, blood splatting over the walls and teeth flying on floor (and with the voice effects). The addict curses and makes counterattack, but misses. You swing the Canalis Analis couple more times and make him unconcious. While unconcious, you take the thugs head and bang it to your own, with very stomach twisting crack. Im thinking: jesus, this game is *dirty word* awesome!

BUT

It still doesn't make me bloodfrenzied killer. I actually sold my knife collection last week, and felt huge relief. I have also chosen non-military career in country where it is almost required (and respected by most). Im very peaceloving person and I will avoid violence by all means. I believe in self defence however..

BUT

Some of us snap. And then, the mr. and mrs. perfect comes and blames the videogames. Simple. And usually blames games like doom or mortal kombat, that are the most favored games of teenagers. Bwahhahahah!

[Juni Ori]

First of all I have to say that I find most perverted the fact that violence in most computer games, tv-series and movies is glamorized and understated. In real life if you hit somebody with baseball bat to head and really do hit him/her good, he/she won't stand up. If you hit him/her hard with a fist to face and hit good, there's usually a lot more blood and less efficient fighting back. Not to mention gunshot wounds. These all reduce the understanding of actions of violence. This may lead into wrong path, where after certain point you don't have a choise to turn back. You've gone too far. Otherwise I don't see games, series or movies responsible in almost any way of violent behavior.

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It still doesn't make me bloodfrenzied killer. I actually sold my knife collection last week, and felt huge relief. I have also chosen non-military career in country where it is almost required (and respected by most). Im very peaceloving person and I will avoid violence by all means. I believe in self defence however..[/b]

Living in the same country and I categorize myself pacifist. That's exactly the reason why I chose to enter the service. To upkeep credible defence force and give a hint to any possible invader that it would get too expensive. Would I ever had any doubts, I most likely would had gone anyways, only to smooth my way to working life... Self defence, yes, I believe in it too. Just remember to avoid any unnecessary damage and always hit only once, but hard enough, if you ever have to. Then go away (after making sure he/she is still okay). One bad bruise is better than ten milder ones in the eyes of law.

[Morrin]

Living in the same country and I categorize myself pacifist. That's exactly the reason why I chose to enter the service. To upkeep credible defence force and give a hint to any possible invader that it would get too expensive. Would I ever had any doubts, I most likely would had gone anyways, only to smooth my way to working life... Self defence, yes, I believe in it too. Just remember to avoid any unnecessary damage and always hit only once, but hard enough, if you ever have to. Then go away (after making sure he/she is still okay). One bad bruise is better than ten milder ones in the eyes of law.
[/b]

This is the kind of thing finns have debated for centures: civilmen say that there will never be war again, military say that what if there will be?

But I respect your way either way. By military career I didn't quite mean military career, I meant military service.

Peace

[TheChosen]

Not again....

:tai:

[gregor]

Last time it was Counter-strike. untill they eventually found out that it was not the game but the conditions they lived in and their parents who maintained a weird relationship with them.

i agree that violence might makes us numb. that's why i like the Austin powers movie where for every guy that get's killed they contact their familly and ring them the news. something you usually dont' see elsewhere, but makes sense.

also it owuld be good to make a film (maybe a trilogy that are so popular now) of same story, with same actors but from different points of view. For example, imagine Star trek from Borg's side and their struggle to survive. :-) or what about Black hawk down from one of the Somalies that died when trying to capture the marines. it could be made similar, with same scenes, only from another perspective. -- nah no one would be insterested. they are just no-name africans that died.

The interesting one is The tank (or is it The Beast?!) of russian soldiers in Afghanistan. If only the tank comander would be crazy the film would get another dimension. somehow you see how basically both the Taleban and the Russian supported Afghans had a very good point to fight. one fought back cause their families were tortered or killed for no good reason while other joined russinas because they thought they oculd bring prosperity in the poor region. but not many films show both sides of the story. and usually like here one is distorted.

[Treewyrm]

Huh? Blaming games?

/me grabs the gun and shoots whoever blames games