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[Rogue]

Originally posted by Kon-Tiki@Apr 11 2006, 09:13 AM
The old adventure games... most definitely. That's how I got sma... no, that's a counter-example. Well, they still do alot more for a kid's education than might seem at first.

It provides them with good weird humor taste. And how to fight with sword (insults opponent)! LOL

# bry - Pang! seems to be nice reflex game that some kids like. Most of old arcade games (90s) might be a good choice too.

[guesst]

Originally posted by McGroin@Apr 11 2006, 02:46 AM
I worry if the next generation of gamers will be spoiled and unappreciative of just how far video games have come in the past 20 years.

Going all the way back, I have a bit to say about this...

How many dime store novels have you read. Sherlock Holmes or Tarzan? Do you feel you need to understand these novels to appreciate the Da Vinci Code. (Okay, books haven't progressed THAT much, technically. Auto spell checkers and the like, but that's about it.)

Have you ever seen the first black and white silent film? For that matter, how many black and white silent films have you seen? Do you feel you need to sit down and watch black and white silent films to appreciate the technical brilliance of a movie like Lord of the Rings etc?

The point is they can appreciate games modern games without wallowing in the stuff that led to them. They won't suffer for it because they don't know what a side scroller platform jumper looked like. They won't be socially indept if they don't get the phrase "she's got it going on like Donkey Kong" because the DK series didn't translate to 3D very well.

At the same time I agree with the more recent comments. If YOU are playing classic games, your kids will naturally come in and try it out. They may even enjoy it. So while their waiting for the latest downloaded episode of Sin, you can show them that there is a whole anthology of games they can play in the mean time.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by guesst@Apr 11 2006, 05:03 PM
How many dime store novels have you read. Sherlock Holmes or Tarzan?

Boy, did you come to a wrong site to ask such questions!

I've read most of Doyle's books, also Christie's along with many other "trivial" literature, not to mention many world classics. That's why I didn't even bother with Da Vinci's code - I'll read it eventually when there's nothing better lying around.

Have you ever seen the first black and white silent film? For that matter, how many black and white silent films have you seen?

Got a set of Lumiere's films here (including WORKERS LEAVING THE FACTORY - first black and white silent film). How many silent films have I seen? Too mnay to count and I'd still prefer a good old Buster Keaton to the Lord of the Ring trilogy. Harold Lloyd is fun too and Chaplin - well, skip his short features, his full length movies were brilliant. But these are only light comedies. There are great silent classics you should see and you'd see what moviemaking was all about. Ever seen The Trip to the Moon (first sci-fi movie ever - silent, over 100 years old), how about He Who Gets Slapped? The original Prisoner of Zenda? Titanic (the old silent version)? Joan of Arc, Nosferatu, Golem, The Birth of a Nation (very rasistic with KKK being the good guys, but still...), Ben Hur?

[Don Andy]

Originally posted by Grinder@Apr 11 2006, 01:29 PM
Yeah, you can't let a kid go to kindergarten without enough physical power to show the other kids around .
About the NES, Don Andy, I'd rather give the kid a PC. There's Abandonia for PC games, but is there a similar site for NES games? Or a fleamarket?

The NES was mainly just an example. It's easier for the child itself to just put in the cartdrige and turn the console on, than to bother with a whole Computer. Depends on the age. If I would let my brother at my computer for about 10 min. my XP would be damaged beyond repair.

@efthimios:
Of course you don't need violence in games to make kids violent. But what you are talking about is competition and rivalry. You can't expect from kids to play a game without the looser getting upset about it. That's normal. It could happen as much with videogames as it could happen with board games or ball games or stuff.

Oh, and soccer makes aggressive in general. Everyone who watched at least one game on TV, has played at least one game himself (in real-life) and has seen at least 2 people playing against each other (console or real-life) should know that. Soccer is taken way too seriously anyway.

[Playbahnosh]

Originally posted by guesst@Apr 11 2006, 04:03 PM
How many dime store novels have you read?
Have you ever seen the first black and white silent film? For that matter, how many black and white silent films have you seen? Do you feel you need to sit down and watch black and white silent films to appreciate the technical brilliance of a movie like Lord of the Rings etc?

I agree with Borut here. Actually I don't know Sherlock Holmes that well, but I do know Agatha Christies novells and stories, boy those are great! And I read often... Say dude, how many Asimov or Lovecraft books did you read? Or for that matter Orwell? I say those books are priceless.

And yes, I did see the first ever film, it was about a train arriving to a trainstation and the audiance panicked on the show and they ran outta the room because they thought it was real and the train was coming at the them LOL And yes, I saw a good ammount of BnW films, hungarians and foreign ones too. And yes, I sometimes feel the need to watch one or too of the better ones

And in comparison I appreciate different things in films. Old films have a different feeling to them then new ones. Old ones are out for great acting and great ideas, and to do the best they can with the little technology they had. In the contrary, new ones are out almost only for spectacular looks, computer animation and special effects, but they neglect the story and the acting which is, as I think, the base of this genre, or at lest should be. I like sci-fi very much, and there are very good series and films there, but for instance I like the original Star Wars trilogy more, the new ones have a synthetic feeling...

This is true about games as well. There is a reason why I like the good 'ol Duke Nukem 3D more than Quake 4 or Doom 3 for example. Duke was an original idea, and nothing can beat Duke's phrases like "Hail to the King, baby!" or "Die SOB!" at the time you lest expect it LOL now that is priceless!
Of course I like Oblivion very much just as I like Morrowind or Diablo II, but seeing how much the technology can change in such a little time and see it in the process is something that everybody should know who play games. The oldies deserve to be known. Of course people can enjoy new games without even knowing the predecessors, but in a different way...

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Playbahnosh@Apr 11 2006, 07:55 PM
And yes, I did see the first ever film, it was about a train arriving to a trainstation and the audiance panicked on the show and they ran outta the room because they thought it was real and the train was coming at the them LOL

Actually that was the third motion picture ever seen (26th December 1895 - Brothers Lumiere).

In the begining of December that very same year two German brothers (can't remember the name right now) also presented a film in the Berlin winter garden.

But the very first one was in March 1895 (also brothers Lumiere): Workers leaving factory after work.



And you're right, nothing can beat originality. And there will always be people who'll love old games. Just take a look at C64 scene. There are people involved too young to ever even own a C64. They stumbled upon the C64 online and got interested. The same is happening with DOS. I bet the younger members haven't really been using DOS, but they are playing DOS games. Sure, the number will decrese with time, but good things never die. Best proof, people still know Johann Strauss' (senior or junior) waltzes, although almost everyone of us was born long after they died (and that's just the most obvious).

[Danny252]

Hey, my dad never tried to get me into old games.
I believe I liked them cos they were free.. LOL

[rlbell]

Originally posted by Sebatianos+Apr 11 2006, 03:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sebatianos @ Apr 11 2006, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-guesst@Apr 11 2006, 05:03 PM
How many dime store novels have you read. Sherlock Holmes or Tarzan?

Boy, did you come to a wrong site to ask such questions!

I've read most of Doyle's books, also Christie's along with many other "trivial" literature, not to mention many world classics. That's why I didn't even bother with Da Vinci's code - I'll read it eventually when there's nothing better lying around.

Have you ever seen the first black and white silent film? For that matter, how many black and white silent films have you seen?

Got a set of Lumiere's films here (including WORKERS LEAVING THE FACTORY - first black and white silent film). How many silent films have I seen? Too mnay to count and I'd still prefer a good old Buster Keaton to the Lord of the Ring trilogy. Harold Lloyd is fun too and Chaplin - well, skip his short features, his full length movies were brilliant. But these are only light comedies. There are great silent classics you should see and you'd see what moviemaking was all about. Ever seen The Trip to the Moon (first sci-fi movie ever - silent, over 100 years old), how about He Who Gets Slapped? The original Prisoner of Zenda? Titanic (the old silent version)? Joan of Arc, Nosferatu, Golem, The Birth of a Nation (very rasistic with KKK being the good guys, but still...), Ben Hur? [/b][/quote]
Oh man . . .

Where to begin?

My kids may try the old dos games, but only because they see me play them. They are unlikely to play the leading edge games, because I am not tempted to buy them, nor do I own a machine that plays them.

The latest video games are very much like the latest science fiction/ fantasy films, in that the ability to present eye candy seems to have removed the need for compelling play value/ story. Stories are grafted onto the games and some games even have nice stories (Crimson Skies comes to mind). Mostly they are incredible graphics and things that go boom. The first Alien movie (which has precious little footage of the alien) tells a compelling story of people versus the unknown. The Core has lots of flashy effects gimmickry, but is a truly execrable story. The original version of The Wages of Fear tells a truly amazing story with no video effects, as we would describe them (a must see!).

It is unfair to compare Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy to the work of Buster Keaton. Buster Keaton specialised in taking a bland story and adding enough physical humor to it to induce severe respiratory distress (from laughing) to make it work. One of his last films, The Railrodder (sp?), has no story, at all. Buster Keaton's character is inspired to visit Canada, during its centennial year, arrives on the east coast and travels the entire breadth of the country on a cart used by rail inspectors. But he does it in his own personal style, ludicrous actions done in the most serious manner. Too much story would spoil a Buster Keaton film. We will never see the likes of Buster Keaton, ever again, because no one else could ever manage his supreme confidence in his abilities to pull off a stupidly dangerous stunt (like standing where the window opening of a falling brick fascade will land).

[guesst]

Glad a few of you love reliving the old silent films and novels you've read. (I was gonna mention metropolis myself.)

The point is your kids and mine will be perfectly well adjusted and capable of dealing with life if they never get an interest in old games. If they do, great! What I'm trying to say is if your kids don't take an interest in the games you're playing, don't panic, don't get down heartened, don't get disapointed. YOU still enjoy them and I'm pretty sure there will always be some cross section of the culture who will carry the torch after we're all gone.

Will MY kids be introduced to these old games? Sure. Their old man still plays them!

[efthimios]

The Core was a wonderful movie, perhaps the best of the "disaster" movies. There was good acting, good effects and a nice story. Just because you don't like it it doesn't make it any less valuable than than Alien, and if you can believe the story behind the movie Alien, I can't see how you cannot believe the one behind The Core.