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Old 22-12-2005, 09:19 AM   #41
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People tend to ignore the fact that the correct explanation for all this has already been found.
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Old 22-12-2005, 11:16 AM   #42
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What gets my goat is people who say "evolution is just a theory" like that means something - they don't discount the rest of science because it's just a theory (physics in particular), but pick on evolution because it happens to contradict their nonsensical religious dogma. Evolution, probably for this very reason, is the single best-tested theory in the history of science, and nothing has ever so much as hinted that it is incorrect. The whole point of science is, as Havell said, the Scientific Method - observe something, come up with a theory about why it happens, then test that theory. If you get a different result to the one you were expecting, try to work out why. Repeat. In what way does "Well, there's this Earth, and I reckon it was all created by some unspecified being I've no evidence for six thousand years ago for some ineffable (always a good get-out clause, that one) reason, and I'm going to ignore any evidence which I can't twist out of all recognition until it appears to support me" count as science? Design (it doesn't qualify as Intelligent) gives science a bad name, not that that upsets its proponents.
It's also interesting to note how few Jewish creationists there are - on the whole, Jews seem to be much better at leaving literal interpretations of religious texts aside in favour of a sensible one than extremist Christians and Muslims, unless they're just quieter about it.
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Old 22-12-2005, 11:47 AM   #43
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wait are you saying the creation is put into a science catagory? I dunno about US, but in Canada, its in the Theology catagory (Religeion, and since I go to a catholic school, we take it every year). I don't mind about learning about creation, but putting it into a science catagory is stupid!
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Old 22-12-2005, 12:23 PM   #44
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Without the time to read all posts (I've read only first page) here are my 2 cents:

Creationism that they teached here is based on biblical stories and myths. Even if proven right, who created 'The Creator' (or should I call him Architect, Matrix rox )

Evolution is not complete explanation either, as there is a lot of links missing, but with a reason. More and more clues are discovered with new archeological evidence.

We as well might be product of alien design. Something like 3-D Sims. LOL (Small green f****r pressed that Hurican and Tsunami button miltiple times in last hundred years)

Hmm, I support courts decision.

Creationism = Religion - not for public schools, unless is observed with other religions.
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Old 22-12-2005, 01:02 PM   #45
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Damn, the UK seems to solve this better.
We teach scientific theories in Science lesson, and religious theories in religion lessons.. tends to work.
I liked the old forum.. =/
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Old 22-12-2005, 01:16 PM   #46
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Originally posted by gregor@Dec 22 2005, 07:14 AM
they came to power here.... :not_ok:
Currently they are held back by contitution. Which if they want to change need support form other side as well. But basically they are doing everything possible to bring religion education in school.
they came to power here.... :not_ok:

They can and have come to power in many countries. Let's not forget that the British monarchy took its role as head of the Anglican Church very seriously until comparatively recently, and that one famous prime minister said that if it came to being on the side of the angels or the monkeys, he'd be on that of the angels. The Spanish, Polish and Italian governments have always been very close to the Roman Catholic Church, while the Greek Orthodox Church is the recognized state religion; if you enter Greece as, let's say, a Methodist minister with the idea of setting up a Methodist church, you have to get the approval of the Greek Orthodox priest who has a local church to do so.

These things in the US come and go in waves of influence. But it's important to remember that on every previous occasion when a creationist law was passed on any level and brought to the state judiciary, it's been thrown out. Not only that, but in the case of Dover, Pennsylvania, the judge who just did the throwing out a few days ago was unusually harsh and thorough in his scathing report on the attempt to replace evolution with "intelligent design" (as the creationists call it) in the classroom. That judge--who by the way is a devout, church-going Christian--said this was a hypocritical, backdoor attempt to get religion in the schools by people who knew perfectly well it was bad science.

And let's not forget that the Dover school board that enacted that creationist agenda in local schools was elected for other reasons entirely. What's more, it had already been thrown out in 2004.
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Old 22-12-2005, 07:15 PM   #47
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Blech. Puts a bad taste in my mouth.
Why do some people not see that religion cannot be science? I would like some of them to answer me.
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