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[dosraider]

Originally Posted by KrazeeXXL

It isn't that easy as I'm forced to use it whether I like it or not.

Can't agree with you here, none can "force" you to use something you don't want.

I don't want it, I don't use Steam, simple as that. Period.
If others want it and use it, fine by me, as long they're happy with that system.

[KrazeeXXL]

when I want to stay legal I must use it. Otherwise I have to look for other "solutions".

That is all.

[Lulu_Jane]

That doesn't make much sense.

[Eagle of Fire]

Marketers never allow common sense to stop them.

[KrazeeXXL]

my, don't pretend you're not knowing what I'm talking about. kinda ridiculous...

So it doesn't make much sense that I just can play a game like DX:HR with Steam? or have to use cracks or an illegal copy otherwise?

edit: if you're assuming that not playing the game is the option then... erm yea... just stop commenting... lol

as this makes no sense at all

@Eagle of Fire: there's a difference between a forum and a chatroom.

[Eagle of Fire]

Yup. Which is exactly why you don't seem me posting often in the chatbox at the bottom of the forums...

[Lulu_Jane]

Nah Krazee, you misunderstand me, I know exactly what you mean, but I think that doesn't make much sense. It seems like you're saying the equivalent of "these shoes don't come in my exact size so I'm going to steal them instead."

As in, that's the way the product is being sold, just because you happen to disagree with part of it does not mean you are "forced" into pirating the thing. It's a computer game, not a human right.

To be clear, I don't have any issue with the pirating thing, and that's really a discussion for another thread if anyone wants to have it, I can't be bothered having a massive derail about that, this is our mighty Steam Appreciation Thread

[GTX2GvO]

Originally Posted by Eagle of Fire

Steam, Games for Windows Live and other similar products are all the same as far as I am concerned. How they are handled doesn't matter in the slightest: you still need to be online for it to work.

Although Steam prefers to be online.
It's NOT a 100% requirement.

Once a game in the list has done it's first time setup through steam, you can play it while steam is in offline mode.

I use that on occasion when my connection is just too cr@p to load anything.

Requirements for offline play are:
- Steam must be allowed to store user credentials.
(My own laptop, so no problem of anyone else logging in on my stuff)
- Game has to be started while online @least once to set up and check for patches.
- your internet has to be out 100%.
(if steam detects even the slightest hint of a connection it will try to go online)




Also. On the 100mb use.
It's only using 50mb of RAM here. So that's 50% LESS then all of you say.
It is also just 10% of what Firefox is using on my laptop.
(above average amount off add-ons + a lot of pages open in tabs)

[Eagle of Fire]

While it is true, you still need to be online to be able to get the games. To download them, which take time. That was the point and I think you yourself speak for it when you say that you play offline when your net connection is zero: if it is then you simply cannot get a new game either, right? Also, if you got a computer without the net on it (which should not be too rare for computers which are dedicated to run old games), you're boned.

That's a huge difference if you compare that to the "normal" way of acquiring stuff. Even online purchases like Ebay and similar, while also being an online service, allow you to simply do a quick visit anywhere (say, an internet café) and then eagerly await your stuff at home to install it normally.

Also, what does exactly mean"(if steam detects even the slightest hint of a connection it will try to go online)"? I'd be interested to have more information about that.

It seems like you're saying the equivalent of "these shoes don't come in my exact size so I'm going to steal them instead."

As in, that's the way the product is being sold, just because you happen to disagree with part of it does not mean you are "forced" into pirating the thing. It's a computer game, not a human right.

Sorry, but your analogy is flawed at several levels.

If your analogy was correct then you would need to say something akin to: "shoe companies does produce my shoe size but they simply refuse to sell them to my country for whatever reason. All of them. So I am left either choosing nothing or trying to "steal" it from them since they store them right next door..."

[GTX2GvO]

Originally Posted by Eagle of Fire

allow you to simply do a quick visit anywhere (say, an internet café) and then eagerly await your stuff at home to install it normally.

Seeing you are so prone to keep your personal info safe I'm rather amazed you even suggest an internet café.
In my opinion that's the best way to be hit by any info stealing virus or info stealing web redirects as you never know what anyone else has dumped or looked at on those machines.

Originally Posted by Eagle of Fire

Also, what does exactly mean"(if steam detects even the slightest hint of a connection it will try to go online)"? I'd be interested to have more information about that.

If you start steam and your internet connection is trying to connect online any possible way. Steam will attempt to go online. (and fail totally)
So for offline to work finally you need to turn off the wifi and disconnect the net cable.

And one more note.
All those Digital services (Steam, GFWL, Origin, etc.) are aimed mostly for games that are rather new (between last 5~8 years @max) and are for multiplayer gaming. (with an additional single player story if you're lucky) And thus need internet on their own even IF you buy it off e-Bay, etc.