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[punch999]

There will always be a ISP who will understand you profit more with service not with ridiculis limitations like net neutrality. As long as even one Isp understands that. Then they make more money then all the isp's taking advantage of no net neutrality. Seriously think about it!

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by guesst@May 15 2006, 04:11 AM
For those who don't like alot of words, here's the quick sum up of what follows

Thanks!

About the topic, I've read a bit about "Network neutrality" in the wikipedia... but that article is too long... so I jumped to the last part:

Originally posted by Wikipedia
The arguments of network neutrality mirror those in transportation regarding free and toll roads. Toll roads are in principle able to provide a higher level of service in exchange for a higher cost. In particular, high-occupancy toll (HOT) lanes allow users to pay a premium to achieve a higher speed, and have been criticized as being inequitable for doing so.

I don't think that paying a toll for the highways is unfair... it could be unfair if they turn all the roads in highways (with toll)!



:blink: ... I really wonder how much unuseful is this post...

[Havell]

Originally posted by #Alex#@May 15 2006, 07:30 AM
There will always be a ISP who will understand you profit more with service not with ridiculis limitations like net neutrality. As long as even one Isp understands that. Then they make more money then all the isp's taking advantage of no net neutrality. Seriously think about it!

Maybe so, and if everyone flocks to this ISP, what will happen to their prices? Simple supply and demand will make them rise. You'll then be stuck between choosing a system which favours certain websites and paying enormous amounts of cash for your internet connection. And no, a new ISP will not magically appear to fill this gap (a neutral, cheap ISP), as this idea would increase the already high, barriers to entry that a new ISP faces.

Relying on market forces to do your work for you is a very dangerous thing, and a tactic which has consistently failed. Take responsibility for your own well-being.

[#BlakhOle#]

Im going to pretend to know what you people are talking about by agreeing with Havell Ignorance is bliss :angel:

[SirPeter]

I still dont get it O_o

What is going to change if they change the internet? Or is this only for US residents? US doenst controle the internet so what are we discussing here?

[Bobbin Threadbare]

Originally posted by a1s@May 15 2006, 10:38 AM
I say he's barinwashed.

Gee, I sure hope my barin doesn't get put in the washing machine. I'm all paranoid now. Ahhhh!

[McGroin]

Originally posted by SirPeter@May 15 2006, 01:09 PM
I still dont get it O_o

What is going to change if they change the internet? Or is this only for US residents? US doenst controle the internet so what are we discussing here?

Sorry I did the ignorant American thing. I thought there were a larger number of American members here...WRONG. I've been looking at people's profiles now and realising a large number of non-American member. So I apologize.

Even though this only affects the US/Canada/(mexico?) right now, this sets precedent; not judicial precedent but business precedent. This means it can jump the pond/border. If the ISPs here show this earns a profit, you can expect their foreign counter-parts to follow.

I understand that Globalization and the Internet are just 2 of the major factors that are drastically changing our business world. Theyre factors that go hand-in-hand, change something in one (the internet itself) and global business will follow.

This might only affect North America for now, but this is an important issue for everyone.

[_r.u.s.s.]

i have found another video
http://coanews.org/netfreedom
edit:too late

[a1s]

First of all no, USA does not control the internet, but they were the ones who first put it into operation and still have most facilities (per capita) for it.(which is part of my personal interest in this- the less convenient it will be for Microsoft and Amazon to work with american internet the more likely they will open more offices (and create work) in Europe- so for me it's a win-win )

Originally posted by McGroin@May 15 2006, 06:22 AM
Just happen to believe the internet is doin just fine, and regulation would just muck things up.* So I've taken a stand on the matter, does that bother you?

Where has your cynicism gotten you today?

You are aware that Network neutrality is something they are trying to pass in congress now, right? i.e. that US has virtulay no (well there is some, but even your own site says it's bullshythy) legaly requred network neutrality right now.
allso "no" (in fact I like high spirited activists, and messing with them), and "explain".

Originally posted by guesst+May 15 2006, 07:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (guesst @ May 15 2006, 07:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If you oppose something, stand in opposition to it.[/b]

I came off a bit wrong. I do (moraly, since I don't have any voting power) opose the cancletion of whatever NN they give the americans now, I just don't think ISPs need to be regualted more in this area, rather I see that they need to somehow (possibly through socialistic measures) promote more small ISP . as far as I can tell from what I read USA has about half a dozen of them (plus small fish that resell their bandwidth), I see that as wrong- my country is like a grain of sand compared to USA and we still have 2 (possibly 3, but I think they are using the bandwidth of one of the previous) competing providers.

Originally posted by Quintopotere@May 15 2006, 10:35 AM
I don't think that paying a toll for the highways is unfair... it could be unfair if they turn all the roads in highways (with toll)!

actulay you've lallready paid your toll (when you paid your bill). following the anlogy you could say they're trying to charge all the Hotels and gas stations near the highway for the right to cater you.
however this anlogy can go no further as it would seem that you will have sveral highways (that don't conect to each other, not normaly anyway) going parallely in most places with different ones letting you use different facilities (and spposely some have higher tolls and allow you access to all of them at no cost to the facilities). :crazy:

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Maybe so, and if everyone flocks to this ISP, what will happen to their prices?* Simple supply and demand will make them rise.* You'll then be stuck between choosing a system which favours certain websites and paying enormous amounts of cash for your internet connection.[/quote]
True, but I have to point out that this has positive sides as well : the price of regualr internet conncetion will probably go down (which is good for the end user), while those of us in oposition to the idea will have the oprtunity to still work with "equal" providers.
Besides the struggle to reduce wrong use of internet by emplyees will be helped a little.
not that they outweight the bad stuff.

P.S. Laissez faire aproach works most of the time. as for the occasinal crisis that comes along evey 40-60 years (in accord with the "long waves" theory), that will need special measures. Think of it this way: most of the time the best you can do with a human organism is to leave it alone and let it work on it's own, however when it's serisoly sick you migh need to give it a series of antibiotic shots to send it on the way to recovery, and then, again, the best thing wiil be to let it lie there and eat soup.

[Quintopotere]

Originally posted by a1s+May 15 2006, 03:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (a1s @ May 15 2006, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Quintopotere@May 15 2006, 10:35 AM
I don't think that paying a toll for the highways is unfair... it could be unfair if they turn all the roads in highways (with toll)!

actulay you've lallready paid your toll (when you paid your bill). following the anlogy you could say they're trying to charge all the Hotels and gas stations near the highway for the right to cater you.
however this anlogy can go no further as it would seem that you will have sveral highways (that don't conect to each other, not normaly anyway) going parallely in most places with different ones letting you use different facilities (and spposely some have higher tolls and allow you access to all of them at no cost to the facilities). :crazy: [/b][/quote]
Let's see... maybe it's more like they make you pay more depending how fast is your car... in that case the ones using bittorrent are like driving with a truck... :crazy:

Ok, I'm so I'm stopping to spam in this topic!