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[gregor]

well some forums actually do not allow to create new threads if the old one already exists. same goes for truobleshooting - since you are supposed to first do the search and then post if nothing was found on your issue. so i guess it depends...

as for "ressurecting the dead" it's a poor analogy. cause if they are really like the dead then why can they even be ressurected? why are they not burried with coffing sealed (i.e. closed).

[Sebatianos]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle of Fire @ Sep 21 2007, 04:24 AM) [snapback]312177[/snapback]</div>

You're right... Except for the fact that if you're really paying attention, then you'll see the time stamp and won't post on that thread first of all because you know how old it is and how irrevelant the continued conversation would become...
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Why? I have been very happy when I got an email about a post I asked a question about several years ago (iut was another forum) and finally got the answer. It seems no body was able to answer or cared about for four year about it, then a new member showed up on that forum and answerd it (after searching for some similar information) and the thread not only got resurected, but very active and constructive. And if you have to know, it was connected to the Bud Spencer - Terence Hill forum and the releses of their movies.

Even if we take the common sense issues out (which I just can't, for the love of me, understand why you would. ...

I wouldn't brag with not understanding why people would want to use common sense.[/b]

In term of technological advance in the computer area, one month can easily compare to one year of real time only because of the improvements on the market, production and whatnot.[/b]

And yet you forget that we are talking about old compute software here. Software released as far back as 25 years ago and remained unchanged since.

Around 15 years ago? Just upgrade man, don't bother. Otherwise, use Memmaker,... etc.[/b]

If that logic would apply, we can just shut down Abandonia and everybody should ugrade to modern games and simply forget the old games we have here. Forget the past, forget what was, just get with the flow and play something that's been made less then three months ago, otherwise why bother (OK, a bit exagurated, but still).

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I was myself MOD of the troubleshooting section for a while, and I was known for enforcing the rules (both custom and forum wide) to the fullest of my allowed capacities with an iron grip. One of my own custom rules were to actually encourage people to create new individual topics even if we then ended up with several topics about the exact same problem.[/b]

And yet the FORUM RULES if you follow them (besides, they are more guidelines then rules) clearly state - Hold on there, you're not ready to open a new topic. Fisrt use the search option to see if this has already been talked about (check the funny animation Titan put up as the rules - and it's in perfect alience with the netiquette you so much like to quote)!!!

It's like running a customer service care: would you put some people on hold after telling them that you'll place them on queue for the group counseling so they can answer the question of everybody all at once? You just don't care about that: you called for an answer to a specific question, you just want a specific answer and 90% of those who called didn't even bother (or didn't think, or didn't know) to look in the troubleshooting section widely available for all to see to make sure their problem is not even covered in the first place. And that's quite understandable, considering that most users who come that that place are already either angry, annoyed or depressed about a simple problem they just can't seem to understand or put their finger on.[/b]

I agree with you there fully, but that's why people make new threads and there's nothing wrong with that. But why shouldn't old threads be posted in???

Of course, most of what I just said specifically apply for the troubleshooting section... But isn't what we're talking about anyways?
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No, not really. It was about the tone in which a member posting in good faith was attacked for resurection. We're talking on two levels acctually. Resurection vs. new posts in general and the attitude towards resurection and arguments against it.
Troubleshooting is just the forum with special cases of it, thus some of the points made may apply only for that forum, while other are general.

[The Fifth Horseman]

And yet the FORUM RULES if you follow them (besides, they are more guidelines then rules) clearly state - Hold on there, you're not ready to open a new topic. Fisrt use the search option to see if this has already been talked about (check the funny animation Titan put up as the rules - and it's in perfect alience with the netiquette you so much like to quote)!!!
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That they do - but not in order to encourage people to resurrect dead topics all over the place. What it's about is that they see if someone had any similar problems before and if yes, what was the solution (because it might work for them too).

[thebes]

So every old thread to a game has THE solution and nothing could be added. If something could be added it needs to be brought up in a new thread. Ok got it. :w00t:
But I do apologize for not paying attention of the dates. Guess I got too much in a hurry. Or too much ,...

[Sebatianos]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(thebes @ Sep 21 2007, 05:45 PM) [snapback]312302[/snapback]</div>

But I do apologize for not paying attention of the dates. Guess I got too much in a hurry. Or too much ,...
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And I think you weren't the only one. That's why I really think some sort of a warning message (that the thread has been inactive for a longer time period) should appeare if people try to post in an old topic. If the post has meaning then people will post, if it doesn't I guess they won't when they realize the discusion was dead for a while.

[Romano]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(thebes @ Sep 21 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]312302[/snapback]</div>

But I do apologize ...
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Moderators, administrators, please learn something about civilized communication

[Eagle of Fire]

Sebastianos, you're seriously getting on my nerve. I deliberatly ignored your first few trolling posts, but I just can't take the amount of misinformation you can throw out in a single thread. You been thrown out of normal forum activities and the starting point was when you got into an argument with me about netiquette and netcitizen definition, and everyone on this forum knows very well that if the matter was up to me you'd never have gotten out of the dissident forum. What are you trying to do here? Start back where you left?

If you can't muster enough common sense to understand those concepts, it's fine by me. But then just don't force everyone else to think like you. It just doesn't make sense. At least I back my own points with claims which are backed up for years by numerous sources, while you just spring into attack trying to discredit the whole thing. If anything, you should be the one trying to prove your point and have to defend your POV, not the other way around.

And when I think about the fact you're a teacher in RL too... Just can't stop thinking about a tune they created a few years back... You probably know it, wasn't it named "A brick in the wall" or something like that?

[Sebatianos]

EDITed.

All of you who saw the original post will know I replyed to EoF and my tone was sharp. I wanted to continue the argument, but have now decided against it. Why? Simple.

The matter between the person who opened the post and the issue addressed has been resolved (a few posts earlier) and in this case I really doubt the further discusion on the matter could be counted as constructive.

[Tulac]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Eagle of Fire @ Sep 22 2007, 03:50 AM) [snapback]312374[/snapback]</div>

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And when I think about the fact you're a teacher in RL too... Just can't stop thinking about a tune they created a few years back... You probably know it, wasn't it named "A brick in the wall" or something like that?
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You can say all you want about netiquette, netizens and what not, but your acting on this forum is much less warm and humane than most members. Why do you follow it so blindly when it takes out the human from you?

IMO the forum should be about communication as in real life, not pretending to be some fancy, cynical know it all that is better than everyone else. And that is how I perceive you from your posts.

Just like etiquette is often used among aristocracy without there being any common sense just so they can show they are better than others (while they're actually not following half of it), you use netiquette in the same manner.

And I do believe TfH broke the basics of the netiquette:

If you do decide to inform someone of a mistake, point it out politely, and preferably by private email rather than in public. Give people the benefit of the doubt; assume they just don't know any better. And never be arrogant or self-righteous about it (hello EoF). Just as it's a law of nature that spelling flames always contain spelling errors, notes pointing out Netiquette violations are often examples of poor Netiquette.[/b]

Got to love the last part.

[Luchsen]

I would go for a closure. Please.