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@ Tulac: I figured that by now. Still this does not make it right or acceptable. Get THAT? |
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18-03-2006, 01:18 PM | #43 | ||
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I never said it's right , but you must be blind or something because I repetead it in almost every post of this topic I KNOW IT'S WRONG, I'm just saying that's the way it is, and your little crusade won't change a thing...
So please when having a discussion read my whole post, not just the part that you can attack So to conclude: Piracy is bad (yes Chuck it is, that's out of the question) Copy protection is useless, and only hurts the users who actually payed for the software (as seen with starforce), and the only way that copying can be stopped is by using force or law, there is no way to stop it electronically... Therefore those guys from that production company have saved money that they would spend on copy protection, and still their game had good sales, which only preoves the useleness of copy protection... Are things clearer now?
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18-03-2006, 05:21 PM | #44 | ||
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Since their first week. |
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Thanks for the explanation! I really was wondering how capitalism worked! Now, you condescending silly person, why don't you take a step back and realize that you've just attempted to impose a set of morals globally which are defined in terms of a single socioeconomic system. Many eastern Europen countries have been capitalist for less than 20 years -- you seem to have just completely glossed over that. <!--QuoteBegin-Chuck the plant Obviously there is a rather large demand for the products game-designers can provide. However, many people are not willing to give anything in exchange. This is not only taking advantage of someone else - which should already qualify as being "immoral" in itself - it's robbing those people of their possibility to earn money. Is this really difficult to understand?[/quote] Yes, what you're saying is difficult to understand because it's intentionally misleading. You refer to games as "products" which, if they truely are, shouldn't rightfully fall under copyright protection at all. From another perspective, to quote the U.S. Consititution, copyright is intended Quote:
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18-03-2006, 05:47 PM | #46 | ||
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But then everything moved to the web and you could download for free (so you wouldn't pay a pirate). That was also the most usual charge they could bring up against a pirate - selling illegal stuff (and without paying an income tax on it - this reminds me, I have to fill out my Tax-Return ). |
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18-03-2006, 08:23 PM | #47 | |||
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Some incredibly intelligent and smart remarks and descriptions, well done folks, this is what I always dreamed of! A converstion about this matter without "buy da game ya f*kkin thief pirate! :ban:" Thanks! Well... Quote:
What do we have here? bypassing copy protections and cracks ARE legal bacuse of the "backup-copy-right" but giving that "backup" to your friend to play is illegal? well l-o-l And how on Earth can they make sure you won't just "lose your backup disk in your friends house" and make another one? THEY CAN'T! This is a huge paradox of laws, full of holes, wich are of course exploited by both companies and players. companies use them to make profit and players to play for free. Why do software companies only sue business firms or alike? Because the charges won't stand against a single person and quickly disarmed by some lame story like above, but businesses are bound by different rules and laws therefor easier to defeat in a lawsuit. And on the contrary, warez is the greatest marketing system for them because their software reaches users even outside their distribution radius and there is a good chance to find people like me with the "if it's worth it, I buy it" philosophy, or "I saw a great program/game at my friend's, can we buy it Dad? Pleeeeez? " system or alike... This is why they don't seem too eager to break down on warez, they only hunt "street pirates" who actually sell the stuff insted of distributin it fo free as intended. Quote:
That must sound ironic, but The Scene has it's own, sometimes very strict laws. The release law for examlple. If a group first makes a release that is working fine the other later releases will be "nuked". The original release can be nuked too if it is not working, then the group first releasing a "Proper" release could claim the place. I won't go into detail in this, those who are interested can find these rules I'm sure... Quote:
Uh-Uh! the opposite! they actually like playing games, that's why the hobby If they don't give a damn about playing, why would they crack them? Oh they do like games a lot, actually they buy their own copy k: <!--QuoteBegin-Tulac Look Chuck, it's just that most of us (from ex-communist countries that is) are used to pirating games, to play them...[/quote] That's true, like here on Hungary. I remeber when I got my first ever computer I was 4 years old, it was a used "Commodore +4". I had tons of games for that on tape, all warez copies of course, and I was happy with that, that was somehow natural to have free games for my machine. When I got my 386DX I got some cool games on floppy disks, fo free of course, I remember Commander Keen 4, Elite, Biomenace, Jazz Jackrabbit, Mine Bombers...jeeez, sweet 'ol memories . And it was only natural to share the games with friends also having computers. At that time there was absolutely no way of getting games legally, maybe one or two shops in the capital, but that was far away, so it was natural to exchange games beetween friends, but the think is we DIDN'T REALIZED that what we were doing is illegal in some way, no one told us, in fact my father used to bring home some cool games from work, they had computers there I don't know where did I hear about copyright infragment first, but that was around when I got my first IBM PC with 100Mhz and 32 MB RAM, around age 12 if I remember correctly. Our computers teacher told us that copying games are bad and we should buy them in stores (but there were tons of games on the school computers all cracked :P) So Chuck, for people from Central and Eastern Europe, around my age, was only natural to have free games and programs, and that habit is still around even after communism left long ago. You guys, like you Chuck, not from this habitat will probably never understand this because you got used to actually buy your games from early age, but for us its no that obvious. This is why, even if we know it's illegal, we don't give a damn about it and continue to get free stuff because it is still eligable, and we cannot change just like that, the society here is like this not just single renegade persons like in the US for example. And nothing that you will say or do will change that, you cannot change a rock solid habit and the whole society of half Europe. There are of course people who bear with a higher sense of morality and started to actually buy softwares, but this is just a fledgling and needs time to catch up with other countries. There are thing needed for this, especially the drop in prices of software becuase they are insanly high now... okay, I will report back soon, I have to go now... Please go on! There are some extremely good reasons and counter-reasons here k: keep it up k:
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18-03-2006, 08:38 PM | #48 | ||
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2nd, I am a person who buys games, but if there ain't no place to get them - "sharing" is the main option. I DL'ded "The Suffering - TTB" at first, but it didn't work, so as soon as it came to stores (A MIRACLE), I took those 40$ and bought it. 3rd, a demo? Enough? Pff... Stick me with a knife why don't you? :tai: Just my opinion in all this stuff. |
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18-03-2006, 09:06 PM | #49 | ||
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18-03-2006, 10:00 PM | #50 | ||
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I am the 'buying' kind of gamer. Although I have an 8Mb broadband, I still prefere to own an original copy of the game. Thankfully, in UK you can buy preowned games, these are about 30% cheaper than new ones, I use this option quite often. But sometimes I copy the game, then I trade it for another one. It does't happen often though.
Somehow I find the game more interesting when I have to pay for it. The games that you download are just not that good anymore... They come too easy. |
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