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http://www.hoax-slayer.com/wingdings-911.html

I'm getting really tired of seeing that reposted. Without even having read the multitude of writeups debunking that myth it should be pretty evident how ridiculous the damn thing is. Not only is it misleading, it's completely off-topic.

[Blood-Pigggy]

Oh please it's obvious Shunk wasn't taking it seriously, you're way too up-front, cool off.

[laiocfar]

I am not a huge Bush fan because most of his actions break a lot of ethics. But in the long run, this administration is giving the US hegemony a couple more centurys.
Traitor, maybe as a world leader part of the UN. But as a US president i have to say that it is Selfish Patriotism and a lot of it.

It isnt only matter of ethics, its also illegally. U also should agree that if two or more nations has the same politic, the world will end too soon. Secondly this isnt so good for US, as it is for some companies like Halirburton (Dick Cheney connection) or other that got many relations to the Bush family and party. And more, this type of foreign politic made the 11-9 possible. This also make a big anti US concern in the rest world. This last make us to think, can be the target of a goverment of a single nation reduce the others to their slaves? or the goverment exist to make the live better even the life of the people outside of these nation? The US foreign politic is an insult to everyone that belives in the justice but not only with Bush and Iraq. Some people think that an human life its more important than cash, power or fuel.

The Bush administration ( i don't know if it is him or his crew) liberated Lebanon and kicked the syrian out. Making them lose a lot of regional influence. And beleive me when i tell you that Syria is a terrorist state. I was personaly there when the syrian secret services started beating demonstrators like bloodthristy pigs

Syrian and Lebanon are two states but one country, they got their history mess up at point that in countries made from imigrants there are as many Syrian-lebanesse organizations as italian or japanesse. To pretend avoid or have avoided the syrian influence in Lebanon is like pretend to avoid any influence of Spain and France over Andorra.
I dont say that Syria is the "model" state or at least a sort of passable state in aspects as human rights or democracy, i belive that it is a terrorist state but not more than US, its hard to belive that the syrians got a secret service force at same place where they got military forces that are know for make some assesinations and illegal represion. The syrian crimes in Lebanon were done by a brutal and illegal intervention force designed as protection from the attacks of Israel.

Afghanistan is the biggest opium producer and most of the money was going to the taliban. And We are talking about a sh$t load of money. He wanted to stop that. It is immoral to invade but it is a smart move.

Its strange in 1980 taliban were for US "freedom fighters" and now they are terrorist. Also Afghanistan is the biggest gas deposit.

3-By invading Irak, the US now have troops and outposts at Iran, china and syria's doorsteps. You should keep a close eye on your potential ennemies. It is IMMORAL because of civilianl and military losses but it is still a very smart strategical move.

U can invade syrian from Israel. If the economy of US continues to reduce and te China one continues to growth in 20 years China will be more stronger than US. Why China will attack US? I dont know but i know why Us will attack China?
When US claimed that Iran, Iraq and North Corea got massive destruction weapons, Iraq said that this was untrue and let the UN inspector to check it. N Corea lauch a tactical missile as demostration and said to the world that they really got the massive destruction weapons and that they will use them if necesary. Iran was near to elections moderates in power were expecting US support when US accusse them of massive destruction weapons holding. Today, N Corea continues to increase their arsenal that claim to got the nuclear bomb. In Iran, the moderates were replaced by right wing nacionalists that claim to be on the way to the nuclear bomb, they still dont pass the limit to civil use, to say true they hardly can build a nuclear plant (its too much harder to build a movile bomb that to build a decent nuclear plant). Iraq is invaded.

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[efthimios]

xcom freak you are so wrong with the assumptions that it is almost funny.

1) The Bush administration did nothing to liberate Lebanon. The people got pissed off with the assasination of that dude, mass protested against the syrians and after international pressure too, managed to get the syrians out.

2) The Bush administration did not secure any resources for the next century. The USA's main supplier of oil is Canada, NOT the middle east, including Iraq. If the USA rely on oil for energy in the 22nd century it is going to be in deep muck.

3) By invading Iraq, the US has spread out its troops and keep losing soldiers and materials (plus money) for nothing. When (going with your view on potential threats) there is going to be war with Iran, north Korea, +other, having your troops spread out, in hostily environment without having your rear covered, is suicide. Not a very smart strategic move.

4) Afghanistan was the only place that there was good reason to go to, and not for the opium. The war on terror was against the people who planned, exucuted the 9/11 and those who supported them. In fact even after that the US administration ASKED the Taliban to surrender osama bin laden, and only after they refused, went ahead to attack them. The job isn't finished yet there and I don't think it will be finished (good ending) any time soon. Plus the opium production now is back as high as before the invasion. BESIDES, stopping opium money reaching the Al Qaeda was not the reason to attack the place anyway.

Bush is not just breaking "ethics" as you call them, but also little things called LAWS, both international and more importantly, american laws and its constitution. Bush in the long run is screwing the power of the USA in the world, making it lose power in all fields.

The guy is screwing the USA first of all and I am sorry you cannot see it.

[Shunk Eat Enemy]

Oh please it's obvious Shunk wasn't taking it seriously, you're way too up-front, cool off.

Thank you, i wasnt at all

Not only is it misleading, it's completely off-topic.

off topic? :blink: LOL G dubya knew it was gonna happen he got a memo about 9/11 witch further proves he is total bastard for not doing a damn thing about. He used it as a scapegoat to go to war

[xcom freak]

Originally posted by efthimios@Apr 16 2006, 12:58 PM
xcom freak you are so wrong with the assumptions that it is almost funny.

1) The Bush administration did nothing to liberate Lebanon. The people got pissed off with the assasination of that dude, mass protested against the syrians and after international pressure too, managed to get the syrians out.

2) The Bush administration did not secure any resources for the next century. The USA's main supplier of oil is Canada, NOT the middle east, including Iraq. If the USA rely on oil for energy in the 22nd century it is going to be in deep muck.

3) By invading Iraq, the US has spread out its troops and keep losing soldiers and materials (plus money) for nothing. When (going with your view on potential threats) there is going to be war with Iran, north Korea, +other, having your troops spread out, in hostily environment without having your rear covered, is suicide. Not a very smart strategic move.

4) Afghanistan was the only place that there was good reason to go to, and not for the opium. The war on terror was against the people who planned, exucuted the 9/11 and those who supported them. In fact even after that the US administration ASKED the Taliban to surrender osama bin laden, and only after they refused, went ahead to attack them. The job isn't finished yet there and I don't think it will be finished (good ending) any time soon. Plus the opium production now is back as high as before the invasion. BESIDES, stopping opium money reaching the Al Qaeda was not the reason to attack the place anyway.

Bush is not just breaking "ethics" as you call them, but also little things called LAWS, both international and more importantly, american laws and its constitution. Bush in the long run is screwing the power of the USA in the world, making it lose power in all fields.

The guy is screwing the USA first of all and I am sorry you cannot see it.

Plz , I was there when it happened and US did liberate Leb.
The US made 1559 and implemented it as a UN resolution. Then the US called for Prime minister Hariri (and i would appreciate it if you'd respect one of Lebanon's biggest martyr) And told him (he had more than 50% of seats in Parliament) that he should draft a law (1559) and let the parliament vote for it. 2 days later KABOUM. After that, the US pressured Syria in leaving and pressured the pro-Syrian prime minister in resigning (he did). Then they advised Hariri's son and his allys that it will be ok to hold a huge protest and they did. But if the US hadn't pressured Syria, the protest would have ended in a huge blood bath(as usual) but because of the pressure the syrian did nothing to stop it.
+Lebanon and Syria were never the same country and were separate since antiquity.

Canada is the main actual supplier but the US secured oil for futur generations. Money is Power.

U know nothing about strategy, we are not in the middle ages it is not concentration of troops that win battles. U know how many short ranged missiles they could deploy in Iraq? In any potential wars, the battlefield will be Iraq and not the US soil and that factor won the 2 World Wars.
It is the same as in any strategy game when u take the ressources next to your ennemy base and fortify it you've won the battle before it even starts.

That guy is screwing the whole World for US's sake. And we should be angry with his politics because well we are the rest of the world. But as a US president i'd think twice before condeming him. Patriot act breaks laws but it was implemented to protect.

[BeefontheBone]

Where's "Puppet" in the options? He's an idiot, but the point is that the liberal debate is easily mocked by the Right who accuse the left of simply mocking Bush's intellect (or lack thereof) rather than debating the issues, allowing the NeoCons to push their agenda behind the scenes - remarkably effective.

[efthimios]

xcom freak

About Lebanon, I forgive you, but, how what you said is any different from what I said?


Lebanon and Syria were at least once part of the same country, the Ottoman empire.


About oil and future generations, I stand by what I said earlier. Who said that money is not power? Irrelevant.


I know nothing about strategy? Ok, if this is what you believe of me, I don't care one way or the other.


Short range missiles to deploy in Iraq? What the fudge are you talking about? Haven't you be paying attention to at least what is happening in Iraq? The war there isn't over and things are getting worse, higher US tech or not. Some wars cannot be won just by firepower, you need to win the hearts of the people too.


NO, it is not like a strategy game, the analogy between (my guess) an RTS and real world strategy is a joke. The US has invaded the country of Iraq, fortified its position there, has superior technology and firepower, and peace is still not there, in fact more people are killed every day. With that kind of "base" you cannot use that part of the army, or even the "base" to attack another country.

If there is an attack against Iran, the vast majority of the missiles fired to Iran will be from subs and see vessels, not short range missiles based in Iraq.

You are either a young guy that knows muck or have been severely brainwashed. And if you think that breaking laws of a country to protect, I guess you don't deserve protection from either any external or internal threats. BTW, read a *dirty word* book about what happened in Germany in the 30s.

[Tulac]

Actually everything Hitler did was was legal...