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Old 11-12-2008, 07:21 PM   #1
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:18 PM   #2
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Uhh, I'm not sure what exactly happened there, but I don't think it's really very correct to ban such a long-time and dedicated member as Romano only for helping out. Of course I have no knowledge of what really happened there, so it's only my opinion as a stranger from the side and it probably doesn't weigh much but a simple warning or something like that would probably be more appropriate for a first-time occurence.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:36 PM   #3
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If this thread spawns another argument, I'l.....well. I'l just get more sadder.

Horseman, Romano....stop it.

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For the last few days, clearly, you haven't gone for this direction. Your threads, the Seb's and Horseman's arguing, your fight for the "good"..etc. makes me want to leave this place. I could, actually. The HG101 forum has been drama-free for as long as I can remember, and there's some very smart people in there too.

Whats with you?! I know you're not hostile, nor you're acting like a hostile person, but now you're just plain annoying! Whats your goal with this? You want Horseman to leave? You want him to stop admin-stuff? Be straight. Enough of this freedom of speech shit (Im using swear words now, which indicate that Im angry).

Now that I got that out of my system, and while Im at it, I'l rant up at Horseman too.

You know, your idea of moderating the forums, removing the inappropriate threads, is crap. You want to show that Abandonia is nice, clean place, where we dont tolerate assholes. That fine with me, but why remove threads/posts? That doesnt mean we dont tolerate shit, that just means we sweep bad things under the rug. If someone crosses the line, the best choice is to publicly address to the thread/post, warn/punish the perpetrators and lock threads, if necessary. If you remove something, it only causes further questioning, argumenting and confusion.

If you intent to remove this thread for any purpose, youre making a wrong move. This thread hasnt violated anything, its not an (direct) attack against anyone nor its something that should be discussed "in secrecy". This is something that should be addressed in public, that both of you are acting childish/wrong. You two have caused nothing but two days of stupidity. Instead of arguing, you could have helped me with the Ghostbuster game, getting it to work or maybe something else constructive. Youre making this forum a bad place. Youre making me and some of us want to leave.

In fact, If both of you, or Seb or Arete (shame on you two for taking sides and shame on you Seb for taking this thing forward) or anyone else, continues this argumenting, I will leave. Call it childish, but I call it Ultimatum. Then you'l have another moderator, friend, gamer and game-updater gone.

The whole thing appearantly started when Pigggy crossed the line and caused argument. Now, Pigggy was banned briefly, he had his punishment and is now back. Done! Kaput! Now, shut the fuck up.

I have spoken, and to prevent anything, I lock this thread. Please Romano, dont start anything new threads and please Horseman, just stay quiet.
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:29 PM   #4
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Let's keep this topic open and see how it goes.
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Old 11-12-2008, 09:36 PM   #5
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Old 12-12-2008, 12:44 AM   #6
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I almost agree with TheChosen.... except that I don't think this should be dealt with publicly. Some members here are acting very childishly...
I don't believe anybody's trying to harm the site on purpose. I just think people should handle stuff differently. This is a real turnoff... If I were a new member but not a returning old member here now, I'd have logged off and cleared the site from my history. But I know there are some great people here and that's why I'm hesitating... but I'll leave again if it continues like this.
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Old 12-12-2008, 12:44 AM   #7
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*whistles* I don't think I've seen Chosen that angry before...

Well, obviously, some heavy crap went down here that, as usual, I am oblivious to. Because I'm not sure what happened, I mean no offense in this, but, in all seriousness, I think maybe you were being a little over-the-top, Chosen, but I do have to agree with you. In all honesty, I think that now that Blood_Pigggy has 'served his sentence', seeing as that is what has apparently caused the problems here, that we should stop this puerile infighting and forget about it. Move forward. I can see that there is more to this than I know or understand, but from a neutral and mostly uniformed position, it simply seems like this was created over a user who has commonly overstepped the line, and commonly been punished for this - and therefore should be as swiftly forgotten about as with before and we should move forward as a community. No-one gains anything out of this, and, as you can see, it simply annoys those who have to put up with it, in this case TC. We are all valued members of this forum, and to even have the possibility of losing one or more is simply not worth the arguments.

And, unlike any other posts I've made of this nature, where I would make a cynical, self-referential comment here, I'm not going to. I'm serious, and whatever is going on, with all due respect, I suggest that for the future of this community, it ends.
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Old 12-12-2008, 12:47 AM   #8
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I always been against the dissidents forum. Is it that hard to understand how come our way of thinking clash when you also happen to be the closest we can have to the dissidents spokeman on this forum?

'nuff said. I don't have time for pointless debates right now.
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Old 12-12-2008, 07:45 AM   #9
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We are all valued members of this forum, and to even have the possibility of losing one or more is simply not worth the arguments.
I'll just quickly reply to this part, although I think you make a lot of sense in your post generally.

Losing one or more members... yes, that's the point. There should never be a loss of members due to some arguing. But once it happens that hard-working, contributing and long time members are starting to leave, somethings have to be resolved. Until now they have always just been swept under the rug.

On a further note...
'serving a sentence' of temporary bans... if they're not such a big thing to get upset about it, why are they even issued and what's their purpose anyway?
I mean, da you really think they have the power to transform a user into becoming a different person, or are they simply annoying and frustrating to the person who got banned?
I can assure you that unless a person really feels he/she did something wrong, any form of punishment is pointless, since it will only frustrate the person.
On the other hand if the person realizes his/her mistake, no punishment is needed.

Of course there are cases where it is good that people in fear of punishment don't do certain things... A person might be angry enough to shoot you, but in the fear of haveing to carry the consequnces of murder, he/she does not shoot. But those are only extreme cases and it is questionable even in those cases if it is really this fear that prevents a person from acting upon impulse.

But surely forcing people to behave in any way through the element of fear is not (or at least I hope that people agree with me on this statement) acceptable.
Not to mention that this form of internet punishment is also not really harsh enough to be all too effective. Worst case scenario - you can't use a ceretain website, there are plenty more.
Yet there have been several member who left because of such things in the past... the earliest I remember was Yamcha, after the warns were implemented (for those who don't remember, or weren't here at the time, there was a little warn meter under the user's name, that showed how many times and how severely that person was warned and broke the rules).
Interesting enough that prior to all that this site had a lot of fun... but afterwards, people got warnings for so many different things... I mean, posting in good humor itself got risky. You could get warns for bringing old threads back to life, for making new threads if there were old ones (which you couldn't reopen anyway) to talk about something... So generally if you weren't there the first time around, you couldn't talk about certain things.

Lucky for the site the things have eased up, but I'm guessing here we go again, hopefully for the last time now.

And just to mention a few names of people who are gone and were in one way or another involved in such fights in the past...

Yamcha, Fawfulhasfurry, Wormpaul, Wendymarrie, Anubis, Kon-Tiki, Indignus IV (sure, he came with bells on, but one of the first things he started doing was to review games)... and those people never returned (there were others who left but came back), which is a loss for the site.

OK, so I wasn't as brief as I thought I'd be...
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Old 28-12-2008, 09:49 PM   #10
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Have't been paying much attention to the site in awhile. What happened with Sebatianos? who banned him? Why?
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