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[Stroggy]

are you talking to me?

[Havell]

I agree with you but they are not the only ones doing this. As I mentioned, the Americans are trying to wipe what they did in WWII out of the histor books, also, they critisize the Soviets for persecuting people but they themselves had people arrested for "unamerican activites" which was very similar to what the Soviets were doing.

[Rogue]

Originally posted by Stroggy@Apr 5 2005, 12:41 PM
If you want to come over as if you actually know what you are talking about (which you don't) you could atleast be correct about the number of charges.

I asked you a simple question.

How many massacres he needs to be guilty of, to be prosecuted?

And it’s not one, but for other’s there is not enough evidence.

But what about today’s discrimination? What about of building biggest concentration camp on the world?

[Lizard]

War Crimes Okay After 60 Years?
NO.But punish,just those who are trully responsible for them
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[Rogue]

EDIT: now seriously people; as much as I love debating this, I do fear the admins don't take kindly to a conversation about Imperialist Japan turning into a conversation about the modernday situation in the Middle east. I'm sure you'll agree

I don't see why admins would do such thing, as we are talking about war crimes, and that they are still happening today.

Question is, are we aware?

Were Japanese aware what was going on in occupied China at the time? Do today Israeli know what's going on in Israel?

There is a lot of connections, and I don't believe we are off-topic.

[xcom freak]

Originally posted by Hkizzle@Apr 5 2005, 03:54 PM
Just wondering how many people here feel genocide and mass murder is okay.

The Japanese government has been slowly changing their textbooks, and now they say Japan was basically not an aggressor during WW2, and things like the NanJing Massacre where Japanese troops killed 300,000 people, most were civilians never happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_Massacre

Japan also had many biological and chemical testing sites in China, very similar to what the Nazis had. A famous site was unit unit 731 outside Harbin, where prisoners were infected with the plague, and water thrown on them in -30C cold to test frostbite, amongst many other war crimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

Why am I angry? Because Japan caused the death of about 15 million people in Asia due to their aggression in the 1930's and 1940's. Unlike the Germans, they NEVER apologized. Now they are trying to delete this sad part of their history.

The Japanese were just as bad as the Nazis but in Asia. The truth should not be covered up.

Turkey massacred 1million armenians in 1910s. father of my grand father included. No one said anything, no one was judged, no one condemned, no one trialed, Y cause armenia is a small helpless country?

The jews are still getting paid and most of their assassins were judged and this is still not enough to repay for what they passed through . What about the armenians didnt get a single dime how is that fair? At least what the japs did it was in time of war what the turkish did was only cause they disliked christians.

[Tulac]

I've heard of Armenian genocide, it is sad that sometimes only 'important' nations are really treated like victims, while the samll nations are forgotten, talk about equality on the world...

[Sebatianos]

Rewriting the history is a common thing. Nations have done that, religions have done that, individuals have done that...

But the history remeins the same (unchanged). It's not really the history they are rewriting - it's just the way they are teaching it in schools (usually). And that's got nothing to do with history as a science - that's just political decisions. They want to change the way people would look at their past - it's sort of a national pride.

Another example of this would be Italy. But things like this were happenening evereywhere and at any given period in time.

The winner is the one who tries to show his side of the story. After so and so many years whe other side finally gets to tell its side and usually they only try to reverse the feeling they got until then (if they were the portrait of eveil - now they are inocent victims of the world powers). It's only after some 120 - 150 years that objectivity finally kicks in.
So common history (the one you can read about in your schoolbooks) is acurate only up to the point of let's say American civil war (that one needs to be clarified next). Everything else is still too political.

[Rogue]

Great point Seba!

Here (USA) we had discussion in the class last week. Topic: American Natives - Genocide under protection of Goverment.

Just to conclude that a lot of students were stunned with real true history, even we did not touch worst parts yet.

[Unknown Hero]

System of a down - P.L.U.C.K.


Elimination, Elimination, Elimination
Die, Why, Walk Down, Walk Down

A whole race Genocide,
Taken away all of our pride,
A whole race Genocide,
Taken away, watch them all fall down.

Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your muck, now it's time for restitution.

Recognition, Restoration, Reparation,
Recognition, Restoration, Reparation,
Watch them all fall down.

Revolution, the only solution,
The armed response of an entire nation,
Revolution, the only solution,
We've taken all your muck, now it's time for restitution.

The plan was mastered and called Genocide (Never want to see you around)
Took all the children and then we’ve died, (Never want to see you around)
The few that remained were never found, (Never want to see you around)
All in a system of Down......Down.....Down.......Down........

We all know genocide is a crime - now, then and ever.

EDIT: Winners write history. Seba's got the point!