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[Doink]

Originally Posted by DarthHelmet86

I have about 0 care that they have gone down. It seems that they have done and dealt in some highly dodgy things and didn't do anything to protect themselves. Leasing servers in the US was just about as dumb as you can get.

And going berserk and DoSing everything is not going to help us at all.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I was Protestant.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemöller

[DarthHelmet86]

Yeah that is great, cause that is totally the same.

From the actual documents it would seem the owners of the site have committed crimes, not just hosting pirated content. If you don't like the law then go protest that, don't make this into something it isn't. SOPA and PIPA are something to be worried about, a website who's owners actually seemed to be making money of piracy is not.

[The Fifth Horseman]

Originally Posted by DarthHelmet86

Yeah that is great, cause that is totally the same.

From the actual documents it would seem the owners of the site have committed crimes, not just hosting pirated content. If you don't like the law then go protest that, don't make this into something it isn't. SOPA and PIPA are something to be worried about, a website who's owners actually seemed to be making money of piracy is not.

We still have to see what they will be declared guilty of. Some of the charges - eg "not identifying and removing EVERY other upload of the same infriging material as in the given link from their servers" - could cause very inconvenient precedence to be established for similar cases in the future.

[Lulu_Jane]

Doink, did you seriously just compare closing down a blatant warez site with the holocaust, because that's pretty amazing.

[DarthHelmet86]

From what I understand from reading it Fifth it wasn't so much that they weren't hunting down each file that was the same, but rather that they knew they had the same files and were talking about them and even suggesting how they could make more money of them now. They have talked about it being in Bad Faith, i.e. they shouldn't have to search everything on their servers, but if they do know of identical copies they should be removing them not talking about they can use them to make more money. I don't know if the law allows that to considered a violation of the Safe Haven laws.

Paying people who uploaded pirated material is a huge no no, copying files is all well and good but when you are making money of other peoples work like that it is a while different beast.

[TotalAnarchy]

From the little I've read in the indictment, there are a lot of loopholes to be exploited in that text. I don't think those guys will get many years of jail, if any at all.

[catchaserguns]

Megaupload was closed down by the FBI and US Justice Dept. for copyright infringement. A few of the Isos from this site were on Megaupload. Looks like somebody got to reup those Isos on another site. Its sad. They had a lot of legitimate music downloads, some homemade rpg games made with RPGMaker, and pinball tables for the Future Pinball emulator program. It was probable the response to the protest Wednesday to SOPA.

[DarthHelmet86]

The case has been worked on for a bit of time now, who knows exactly why they decided to strike now. It could have been because SOPA got pulled but I doubt that, I would say there was a more reasonable reason.

[The Fifth Horseman]

After Anonymous' WMD strike, the award for "next people to have a totally knee-jerk reaction" goes... well, to a bunch of other file hosts. Some merely block specific US IP ranges, others decided to ban any US traffic whatsoever: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65920166.html http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65956650.html

And the Anon? Just getting warmed up: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65958120.html

[Scatty]

Originally Posted by The Fifth Horseman

And the Anon? Just getting warmed up: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/65958120.html

At least someone is (or some are) fighting there. Even if with wrong weapons.
Smalltalk alone doesn't change anything. Especially not in the "pretend-to-be" democratic system. Which isn't one. Never actually was yet.