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[Vaikunta]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Jun 24 2006, 02:45 AM) [snapback]239317[/snapback]</div>

That's because this is a version with a patch from Richard Garriott applied. I think though it would be much better if they ever brought out the addon for Ultima 8 that they intended previously, than this patch. The game was playable enough without it, but is admittedly better with it anyway.
As of Ultima 9, I played it and I'm disappointed. The previous Ultima parts are all better than it, the last part just doesn't have the feeling of the great Ultima world like in previous games in it, and it was close to boring. And the combats in Ultima IX are pitiable, there's Gothic very much better.
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It would be very nice if The Lost Vale actually came out. Only some images were published, and if you want I can post them. According to the manual, the Lost Vale was where Lithos imprisoned some Zealans and I think it was the destination you were supposed to get at the end, instead of Britannia.

I've played Ultima IX, and had enough patience to finish it, with a kinda nice ending. I hate EA, all was her fault, The Lost Vale and Ultima IX failure was caused by ignorants. If you want too, I can post the original plot to Ultima IX.

I think it's impossible to finish this game. After talking to Xavier about the first test in which you should read the books at the monastery but all I get are books on Theurgy magic. Those books Xavier talks about is not there. Looks like there's a problem with this patch. Anyone had the same problem??

[Scatty]

There's no problem with this patch. The books are always there, and you have to think twice before you find hints for the test in them, maybe you just overlooked them. Try searching at the second floor.

[Vaikunta]

Since no one used their speaking capabilities, I'm going to post the real plot of Ultima IX, to kill the curiosity that dissolved my interior and should dissolve other's interior, after having finished Pagan, the only thing I thought was "What happened?"... (hope I'm not going to be punished).

“Rather than releasing the whole script, which I could still get in trouble for, I will synopsize the plot for you. When I came on board at Origin, the original ideas for what they wanted from a script were in place but it had not been written yet. John Watson, Brian Martin and Richard did the first pass at it. I was given the script and told to find holes in it. We all worked together (along with Chuck Zoch, at that time a designer...now programmer) toward the first re-writes and clean ups.

So here goes:

(opening Flic) The Avatar arrives at the start of the game in Britannia. His last thoughts are of being seized by the Guardian in Pagan. Suddenly he was pulled away and arrives back in LB’s realm. Unfortunately he doesn’t recognize where he is. Standing on a mountain overlooking the Guardian’s keep at Terfin. This is where the wyrmguard suddenly flies up and incinerates the Avatar.

Cut to scene of dark throne room with Guardian in shadow talking to Blackthorn. Blackthorn is happy at the Avatar’s death but Guardian realizes he was teleported away by someone and is now in Stonegate. Blackthorn wants to go after him, but Guardian says to wait. He wants the Avatar to see how he is destroying Britannia and wants the Avatar to despair.

Game opens: Avatar in bed in Stonegate with Hawkwind nursing him. Just to be certain the Avatar is fit and unchanged by his trip to Pagan and the teleport back here, Hawkwind asks the virtue questions, setting up the Avatar character for the game. He then tells the Avatar about what has happened since he left 80 years ago (time in Pagan ran so much slower). Giant columns appear through out the land. Somehow the columns are affecting the climate, drying up some areas and flooding others, in addition there are tearing through the ground causing earthquakes and volcanism on a great scale. These climactic changes have caused wide spread famine in some parts of the world. In addition a plague began to run rampant through the land probably caused by the deplorable conditions. The people of Moonglow were able to produce limited quantities of food via magic, some of which the export through the land. Britain monks found that the venom of the Silver Serpent would provide relief from the plague, but was no cure. Something happened (you discover later) and Britain refused to send serpentwyne to Moonglow and Moonglow refused to send food to Britain. The army divided and civil war is at hand. He then tells the Avatar to descend into the tunnels under Stonegate and travel via those dungeon passages to Britain and see Lord British. Hawkwind disappears saying he must rest a long time now since the summoning drained him so. The area of Stonegate, now surrounded by mountains and cut off by the sea, provided the training or tutorial area for the new interface.

Along the way to Britain, the Avatar is knocked unconscious by a teleport area that he must go through. He receives a vision (flic). The Guardian taunts the Avatar and says he is glad he will be able to watch while he shows Lord British what the Avatar was up to in Pagan. LB is has a waking dream and sees the Avatar summoning Pyros.

Once the Avatar arrives in Britain he has already had to deal with one wyrmguard (Damon) and is probably wearing the armor. People in Britain run from him and once at the castle, Geoffrey asks him to get rid of it. LB confronts the Avatar and wants to know about the dream but accepts the ideas that the Avatar had to do what is necessary, but he seems disturbed none-the-less. LB informs the Avatar that the world is almost at the brink of civil war. LB’s health began to decline rapidly a few years ago so he appointed a tribunal. The leader of Moonglow mages (Verona), the leader of the Valorian knights (Sir Corwin), and the leader of the Britain monks (Amoranth). Things went well at first, but once the columns rose, famine set in and the plague appeared they would feud with each other all the time. then when the shipment of food, bought and paid for) failed to arrive in Britain Amoranth accused Verona of treason and inhumanity, Verona screamed the same story about a serpentwyne shipment. Ever since then the world fractured into a group of city states. LB is worried since Britain and Moonglow are building armies, one commanded by Corwin’s daughter and the other by his son. If it were not for Corwin’s cooling factor with their generals, they would already be at war. He implores the Avatar to stop the civil war, stop the famine and plague and he thinks the columns are at the root of it all. LB tires quickly and due to him being so old a frail, he can no longer command the respect of his armies or people anymore and he still thinks the Tribunal is the best thing for the country. LB warns the Avatar to stay away from Asylum, that is run by dangerous, treasonous thugs.

The Avatar finds Shamino in the Abbey in Britain in a trance. He has to use the Bell, Book and Candle to free him. He finds out from Shamino that the rangers disappeared a few years back and he felt an unholy call luring him away. He placed himself in the trance in hopes that if the Avatar returns he could wake him and the call would be no more. Shamino no longer feels the call and joins up with the Avatar.

The Avatar sets off for the closest column near Despise. On his way he is confronted by wyrmguards in camp. During the fight a girl jumps into the fray and ends up spearing a female wyrmguard through the eye and driving them off. The Avatar is grateful and she introduces herself as Raven. Raven was sent to find the Avatar and bring him back to Asylum (Buc’s Den) and meet with her boss Samhayne. He has some clues to the problems and he knows the Avatar is here to help solve them.

In Despise the free one of the corrupt runes of virtue from the column, thus stopping its power.

They journey back to Britain and then on to meet Samhayne. Samhayne is like a benevolent Don Corleone. He has been running contraband food and serpentwyne throughout the world, even running the blockades of Moonglow and Britain. He knows that the war is closer than anyone thinks, but proof must be taken to LB to get him to dissolve the tribunal and try to assume command. Samhayne is not trustworthy in Shamino’s view and he wants proof of what is going on. Samhayne tells the Avatar to journey to Valoria and meet with Corwin. He will tell you the truth. Then come back here and we will get things going.

He travels to Valoria with companions and goes to see Corwin. Corwin and his new aide Darkblade meet with the Avatar. He explains the situation and confirms Samhayne’s suspicions. The Avatar convinces the Lord of Valoria to send word to his kids to disarm and meet at a negotiation table. He agrees once the Avatar gets him over his despair. The Avatar heads back to Asylum and meets with Samhayne. He tells LB that he must get more proof of the war preparations so that LB can confront the factions. The only way he can find out for sure is to make contact with Sam’s guild operatives inside Britain and Moonglow and ’lift’ some papers. Some of the guild objects to an outsider making guild contact so Samhayne talks the Avatar into joining the guild. The Avatar is branded with the secret sign and is sent on his way to his choice Moonglow or Britain.

During the sea voyage he gets another third person dream (flic) courtesy of the Guardian. This time LB sees the Avatar joining the nefarious Guild and being branded. LB becomes more distraught and is now wondering about the Avatar.

The plot branches here but funnels back together quickly. Avatar goes to Moonglow/Britain. Makes contact with a guild operative and gets a disguise. He enters the Court of Truth/Abbey of Love and during his riffling of desks and such overhears Amoranth/Verona and their lackey Ebontyne/Shadowbriar discuss the war preparation. Whichever is gone to first, the Avatar escapes with no problem. When spying on the second one the Avatar is discovered and is captured and knocked unconscious.

Here is another dream (flic). This time LB sees the Avatar thrown in prison for spying on one of the Tribunal members. LB looks like he is getting angry now.

Back to the game: The Avatar awakens in Wrong. Ebontyne/Shadowbriar stands before the doorway and morphs into Blackthorn. He taunts the Avatar telling him that he has been behind all the seeds of war, planting them in the mind of Amoranth and Verona. He tells the Avatar that his only stumbling block is Sir Corwin who is trying to get his kids to a bargaining table, thanks to the Avatar’s meddling, and by this time tomorrow Corwin won’t be troubling anyone anymore. Blackthorn leaves and the Avatar and Raven (Also caught trying to free the Avatar while he was unconscious) their cell and dungeon (turning off another column along the way). the find Shamino outside and waiting. The run to find a ship and get to Sir Corwin as fast as they can, but by the time they arrive it is too late and he is already dead, but the body was stolen also. All that is left behind is an arrow.

Following the clue of the arrow and questioning Fletchers and Apothecaries (it was poisoned) leads to a description of the perpetrator, the female wyrmguard that Raven fought earlier. In addition one of the Apothecary is a medium and through a trance locates the body in the Well of Souls on the Ruined isle of Skara Brae. She tells the Avatar that a spell for speaking with dead cast upon the body would reveal the truth behind the assassination and that she foresees that this could stop the war. The Avatar and companions head to the Well, retrieve the body, fight a bone dragon lots of undead and turn off another column.

When they leave the dungeon a messenger arrives telling them the armies have taken the field near the shrine of justice. Avatar and friends hurry to the shrine in time to meet with Amoranth, Verona and the commanders. Verona casts the spell. Dead Corwin reveals that his lackey Darkblade is actually Ebontyne, Shadowbriar and Blackthorn and he is behind the war. Darkblade, who is in the tent, suddenly reverts to his Blackthorn form and the whole area is beset with wyrmguards and dragons. During the fight, Blackthorn exits kidnapping Amoranth and Verona and taunting the Avatar to come and get them at Terfin.

At the end of the fight Janna arrives with word that the other old companions awaits the Avatar in the sanctuary of Cove. They think they know where the Plague is coming from and what the columns are doing. The Avatar travels to Cove along the way another dream (flic). LB sees the Avatar stand before the armies of the world and now look to be swearing fealty to him. LB is furious as the Guardian whispers to him that the Avatar is planning to usurp the throne and seize Britannia. He will no longer allow the Avatar inside the Castle unless he has a member of the Tribunal with him.

Once in Cove the Avatar learns that the columns are causing the plague. As long as they are powered the plague will continue. In addition they are like clock springs, winding up. Even if they are unpowered their energy is not released. In time they will ’let go’ and quite possibly rip apart the world. They also have now received reports that the Guardian is massing his wyrmguard and gargoyle army and is planning on attacking Britain and other cities. They must perform a pre-emptive attack before all of his forces can muster. Samhayne will provide ships and the army is ready but they need and air force and the only thing that could help are the dragons of Destard.

The Avatar journeys to Trinisic and goes to see the Queen of the Dragons in nearby Destard. He has to rescue her and a clutch of eggs from some new wyrmguard raiders after which she agrees to help. Now with all the forces moving to place, the Avatar sets off for the other dungeons in order to turn off the remaining columns, except the Abyss. He needs one of the Gargoyle lenses from LB to open the path . Once they are done a ship arrives to take Avatar and companions to Terfin to meet the Guardian and Blackthorn.

Lots of fighting and wandering in Terfin, finally the Avatar reaches the throne room and finds Blackthorn there, but the Guardian has already left for parts unknown. Blackthorn grovels and pleads for mercy. Shamino suggest bringing him to LB so he can confess. The Avatar takes Blackthorn to LB and he confesses. LB has Blackthorn put to death. LB is getting some strength and vigor back thanks to the shutdown of the columns (save one) and Hawkwind’s arrival in the castle a few days ago. Hawkwind warns that the columns are primed and will release soon destroying everything and funneling the power of that destruction into the Guardian making him greatly powerful. He says that the plan had been to keep the Avatar busy and off balance long enough for the columns to finish the wind up. Hawkwind says that the runes of virtue can save the populace if we can get them to Skara Brae as soon as possible. He says to place the runes at the carnal points of the compass marked on the island and the virtues will take care of the rest. He then indicates that LB and the Avatar must make a final journey to Stonegate to confront the Guardian for it was from there that he cast forth the runes to form the columns.

Before the Avatar can go to Skara Brae he gets the lens from LB (and one he got earlier from Vesagralem ,the Gargoyle king...another story) and journeys to the Abyss. He fights the Slasher of the Veils, turns off the column and releases Amoranth and Verona which journey with him back to Skara Brae.

Lots of people on Skara Brae when Avatar, LB, Verona and Amoranth arrive. Companions all stay while Avatar places runes and leaves with LB. They arrive at Stonegate and face the Guardian in one of the lower chambers and slay him, but LB is weakened in the battle. Hawkwind appears once more and tells the Avatar that even though the Guardian is defeated for he moment the power of the unleashed life energy when the columns let go will restore him and power him up. The life force of Britannia must be eliminated to defeat him for good. LB mentions the Armageddon spell. They must get to the roof of Stonegate pronto! Once getting there LB is incapable of doing the spell, he is too weak and decides if Britannia must die then he will go with his world. The Avatar discovers that he too must infuse himself into the spell and that he will ’pass on’ with its casting. Hawkwind’s voice tells him that this is but a step and that he will ascend beyond this realm to a higher place. Avatar casts the spell.

(The really freaking cool flic occurs): Spell of destruction rips forth from Stonegate moving forth in waves across the land. Deer flash into ashes, trees blow up, cities are destroyed. Worried people stand on Skara brae as they can see the wave of destruction heading their way. Suddenly waves of light pulse from the runes and lines of power form a dome over the island just as the destructive wave hits. Slowly the island pulls loose from the planet (looks like an old Roger Dean painting form the Yessongs album) and rockets out into space. A cut from above shows the speck of light zooming off into the distance with most of Britannia and the companions on board. Slowly we see the planet crack and tear apart, then a final explosion. Closing credits...........................”

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Here’s what Bob White himself thought about the whole affair:

“My reason for answering [inquiries about the original plot]was really to show the fans how games and their stories evolve. Often times the evolution is out of our hands (via deadlines, corporate changes and such). The game you have now has a very good story and is an Ultima, I am sure Richard saw to that. Don’t let any bugginess in the product overshadow what the core of the game is. In time the bugs will be cleared up and the game will shine and all will be happy.

The old story was monumental in scope and because of a lot of factors things had to change and progress to what it is now. Would I have liked to seen the old plot completed....You bet! Am I dissappointed it changed, not really since I expected it. New people on a project bring new ideas and new focuses and those are not necessarily bad. What you have is a talented core design team who assembled the best story for an Ultima that they thought possible. This was the same thing when I was there, but we had a different focus and different ideas. Which one is better...that is all up to individual tastes, but what is there now is still a great story and very Ultima.

Hats off to a a talented team for working through an unbelievable hard deadline and under very adverse conditions. They have created a monumental product and one they can be proud of. A big pat on the back to Bill, Chuck, Dave, Jim, Andy, Herman, Gary, Bev, Jennifer, Scottie-cakes, Scott, Bren, Michael, Bob, Seth, Richard, Amy, Carly and who ever else I missed. I am sure that Bill and his team of programmers are pulling their hair out nightly to kill off the bugs and make the game even better. I look forward to adventuring my way through Brittania...as soon as I get past my own deadlines ”

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Jul 14 2006, 09:27 PM) [snapback]243337[/snapback]</div>

There's no problem with this patch. The books are always there, and you have to think twice before you find hints for the test in them, maybe you just overlooked them. Try searching at the second floor.
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I just finished the game, after playing it a second time, the books at the monastery of the theurgists suddenly were there. In my first play, they were not there so I guess that WAS a bug.

[Roadkill]

You know the monastery of the theurgist, Can anyone tell me what the hell that funny shape changing item is.... If you double click on it the avater says he is not powerful enough to use it yet.

I've finished the game twice now and have found no use for it so far. :blink:

[Scatty]

Ah yes, there're only rumors, that this item was originally intended to play some role in the never released expansion "Lost Vale". It doesn't play any role in the original game, however, except that sentence and the kneeling of Avatar.
Another strange "item" - if you leave Tenebrae by the east gate (in the left town part of Tenebrae) and go up to the "north" until you reach the river, then follow the river until the mountains arise, you'll see a small cave. If you enter this cave and go through to a spot where they're bars enclosing a chest and two (if I remember correctly) levers, and then continue further south and little down, you'll see a sack with some reagents. Somewhere either below the sack or in it there's a strange white-blue item that slightly resembles a whistle. You can't use it in any way, and you can't use it as a reagent. Anyone else noticed it, and maybe knows more about it?

Edit: Actually people, guess what? There was ONE copy of Lost Vale box that was released and has been sold! Though it seems no actual addon as the software itself. Someone bought it for a private collection and some information about it can be found here:
Wikipedia
Lost Vale gamebox details

[Vaikunta]

About the Lost Vale addon, the developers really worked on it, but couldn't finish it in time. Here's a link to where you can find some screenshots of the real game. http://www.bootstrike.com/Ultima8/downloads.html
The download is entitled Ultima VIII: Lost Vale Screen Shots . This site is great, has tons of things about ultima.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Vaikuntha @ Jul 20 2006, 03:26 PM) [snapback]244176[/snapback]</div>

About the Lost Vale addon, the developers really worked on it, but couldn't finish it in time. Here's a link to where you can find some screenshots of the real game. http://www.bootstrike.com/Ultima8/downloads.html
The download is entitled Ultima VIII: Lost Vale Screen Shots . This site is great, has tons of things about ultima.
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Theres a really good sound patch here and also one that allows you to run the game under windows 98... ufortunately its not compatible with windows XP but I'm sure a few of you smart buggers out there could work your way around that. k:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scatty @ Jul 20 2006, 01:36 PM) [snapback]244157[/snapback]</div>

Ah yes, there're only rumors, that this item was originally intended to play some role in the never released expansion "Lost Vale". It doesn't play any role in the original game, however, except that sentence and the kneeling of Avatar.
Another strange "item" - if you leave Tenebrae by the east gate (in the left town part of Tenebrae) and go up to the "north" until you reach the river, then follow the river until the mountains arise, you'll see a small cave. If you enter this cave and go through to a spot where they're bars enclosing a chest and two (if I remember correctly) levers, and then continue further south and little down, you'll see a sack with some reagents. Somewhere either below the sack or in it there's a strange white-blue item that slightly resembles a whistle. You can't use it in any way, and you can't use it as a reagent. Anyone else noticed it, and maybe knows more about it?[/b]

I also found that mysterious blue object that dosn't seem to do anything...strange that it's there.