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[yoga]

Originally Posted by twillight

All slings are missile-weapons. The only "missile" weapon a cavalier should be able to use are the throwing axes, as they have melee function too. So the sling IS an error (probably the code simply refers to SLNG, and the forgot about the WA items).

PS: Ok, forget about colours. Will use italian for paladin and normal letters with bold "EDIT" for C/R.

PPS: woot, abandonia seems to work under Win7 + IE.

Hey, twillight You speak so good for Your hero that You will induce me to start BG again..

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IE?

Excuse me, what is this?

yoga

[DarthHelmet86]

Internet explorer Yoga.

Also I see you have found the new image.

[twillight]

paladin:
Bought items:
- 10 potion of Power from the Raksasha in the Druid Grove
- Ras
- Belt of Inertial Barrier
- Staff of Earth
- Kaligun's Magic Amulet
- Helm of Brilliance
- Scroll of Invisibility (could not find yet a darn Scroll of Improved Haste to it)

Tough battles:
- Chromatic Demon (you must KNOW your character to win here)
- The group of baatezu in WKlvl3. They are though, they are many, the chief summons more constantly, one of them drains lvl, and you can't prebuff as the room before it is a no-magic zone. (The tana'aris aren't easy either, but not THIS hard.)

Other:
- solved the trollkilling issue with the Ring of Djinni summoning and the Staff of Fire
- at Frikraag you can't hide, but he has no special protection
- at Thaxalyssia you can hide, but he has prot. from magic weapons, and the breath drains level.
- at Saladrex if you have 100+ fire resistance and a ranged weapon, you are invincible.
- the Dragon on WKlvl5 is a standard dragon who casts Dispel a lot.
- best to have at least 11 permanent INT (with bonuses) as illithids drain 5 stat per hit.
- in the Underwater City if you have high CHA and rep., and a rogue stone, you can have unlimited gold.
- Nizidramanii'yt is a standard dragon who can cast entangle, what'd be nice if you'd meet it earlier then the endgame.
- the Dragon at Pride is a standard dragon.
- in the Nine Hell if you do any task evil you become neutral evil, but otherwise there are no consequences. If you go evil during the Selfishness trial, that is more serious: paladin and ranger looses class. The vanilla priest changes aliance toward his/her god, and therefor gains a new Holy Symbol (it must be a bug that he/she gains another of the previous alignment – interresting question what happens with evil priests). No idea on the others.
- at the Wrath Tear a paladin gain +1 CON if he yells on Sharevok above the gate's bonus. A fighter/barbarian gains +1 STR. No idea on the rest.

EDIT1:
WTF!? Ok, I did the evil path at the Wrath Tear, but it was definitly allowed! I mean at the Selfishness Tear I would have been fallen, so with all the patch and dust if I don't become fallen at the other tasks I am definitly allowed to do that! Especially as I keep my title until I beat Yaga Sura!
Then poof, comes from nothing I become FALLEN??? And I even said the nice things (it doesn't matter, I checked the evil sayings too)!!

You know what?! I WILL CHEAT! I WILL FIND A DAMN SHADOWKEEPER AND MAKE MY CLASS ACTIVE! YES, THE CHILD OF BHAAL INCARNATE!

What kind of moronic bug this is

Bought items:
- Scroll of Prot. from Undead (just in case)
- Scroll of Improved Haste

Tough battles:
- entering the Marching Mountain's caverns

Other:
- the paladin chooses HLA from the warrior pool AND can choose Summon Deva (it'll be amongs the special abilities as many times you choose it)
- although you can have 100+ resistance against blunt damage, Yaga Shura's fire giants still can damage you! (maxed fire resistance along it don't help neither)

EDIT2:
Oh, ok, no panic. It was just I summoned a Deva, and to make it dangerous as usual put on it the bladeshield imediatelly what crampled up the running citizens accidently, so my rep. fell a lot. Heh, I remain the Anti-Paladin

EDIT3:
Bought items:
- K'logarath (needed a new weapon to replace Azuredge, what could be used until I removed it from weapon slots)
- Enkidu's full plate
- Gargoyle boots (imagine stoneskin + mirror image + hardiness + armor of fait + defender of easthaven combined!)
- rod of reversal (never used, bah)
- potion of superior healing*3 (not that I needed any more then I've found anyway, pfff)

Tough battles:
- Draconis. He has some attack what deals 100+ damage, what combined with instant invisibility and done repeatedly is just ridiculous. A good idea to try to save between the two forms. The human form is pathetic though, as well as the invisible stalkers, as you should be immun to them.
- ice salamander at the first hole in Abizgai's lair (their ice shield deal back to you ridiculous amount of damage, and salamanders have good attack anyway, so better have some protection)
- Ravager: ok, with a fully built paladin he is almost joke-easy, and with all other class you should use some cheesy tactic, but he can't be missed from the list, can he?

Other:
- Shuruppak's plate strangely rises you THAC0 instead lowering it with the +1 DEX.
- the Rune of Clangeddin can not be bashed from the chest that contains it (bah, I knew I should have put proficiencies into Bastard Swords for Foebane instead to Warhammers for a better Negative Plain Protection weapon!)
- the cavalier's 20% fire resist with the Tear bonuses means 40%, what with 1 ring of fire resist means 90%! Do not underestimate this.
- Carsomyr's magic resistance is bugged. If you change weapon, or simply click on the fast item slot of it (to force-attack), it overrides your MR, and have to re-equip all other MR-equipment to have the correct value).

And as only Melissan remains, here are the stats:
stats: 23/19/21/11/16/19
THACO: -13 (stats are with Caromsyr +6)
number of attacks: 3
saving throws: -7/-7/-7/-12/-7
AC: -17 (with BMU, secondary armor is Enkidu's plate)
HP: 223

equipment:
BMU, Carsomyr (secondary weaponry is FoA + Defender of Easthaven = that high dmg res. with FoA's slowness means incredible tanking), Gauntlets of Extraordinary Specialisation, Roranach's Horn (secondary: Helm of Balduran), Amulet of Seldarine, Ring of Gaxx, Ring of Earth control (secondary: Ring of Fire control), Cloak of Mirroring, Boots of Speed, Belt of Inertial Barrier.
Fast item slot: Red Globe (heals 64 HP), 5*Potion of Superior Healing, Horn of Blasting

[dosraider]

Originally Posted by twillight

...........
What kind of moronic bug this is
............

The kind that makes a game even more interesting to play ..???
More frustration -> makes the game funnier.

[twillight]

Originally Posted by dosraider

The kind that makes a game even more interesting to play ..???
More frustration -> makes the game funnier.

Fortunatelly as I described there was no bug.


I've just finished the paladin's game. Some words on Melissan:
- the first form was hard, mostly because I did not know what shall I expect, so tried to restrict myself. Not that I had a chance to do that. I precasted Hardiness, then whirlwinded her to retreat.
- the second form was where I prepared the greatest, but turned out overcaution. Still, at least the whirlwinds (what I originally had 10) were used by the Simularcum. I also summoned a Deva, but as I said it didn't look necessary.
- the third from was by any means the hardest, because for most of the times no damage I suffered, then imediatelly incredible amounts. I suspect her shadow-slayers are one reason of that damage, so a big luck is needed here on the side what she summons.
The tactic what finally brought me through was to cast Hardiness + Armor of Faith + stoneskin + mirror image + Draw Upon Holy Might + summon deva to hinder the original 4 shadow slayer. Then start the battle with vanilla whirlwind, then hope the best and greater whirlwind her to death on the other side of the arena.
- the third pool's guardians were... not able to harm me? The only thing required attention the one lvldraining monster amongst them (change Carsomyr!). To kill the mariliths I used the Improved Haste charges from the Ring of Gaxx. (Did you know that from the special monsters Kangaxx is maybe the only with a valid class (conjurer)? Still, don't CTRL+Q it, there is some dialogue-glitch when it is in the party.)
- the fourth form was... Well, I summoned my second deva (the one at the second form came from the simularcum), my last Hardiness (4th one), Armor of Faith, then my remaining 3 GW... did not finish her out. I expected that though, so pulled out Amulet of Cheeta Speed for another Improved Haste. I felt overwhelmed though (I still had that Improved Cloak of Protection +2 for another IH, but felt I won't have the time), so I waited until I felt safe without a dying breath-try (I think she has more stoneskin appart the one kicking in at the start), and shot Ring of Ram. Epic victory


On the roleplaying part of this character: I decided I'll turn Evil alignmented (and thus Anti-Paladin), as I felt: hey, I am a force of good who by everyone is forced along the way of some stupid prophecy to become the heir of that moronic psychopat Lord of Murder, Mr. Evil himself, and I ... can't ... do ... a ... darn ... thing about it!
So my char decided to go with the flow, but at the turning points instead fullfilling the role ment for 'er, she insted KILLS THE BASTARDS if kill is what they want!!!

According to that perspective in the end I chose freedom, and remained mortal.


Some analysis on soloing the series:
The first game can be done by anyone (use a ranged weapon + boots of speed + oil of speed).
For Throne of Bhaal:
- any character who uses the warrior pool can pass the game. Their cheesey ability is Greater Whirlwind. It "dispells" all protective magic if anyone worried about those.
- any character who casts cleric spells (so druid class too) can probably pass the game (remember, I'm still working on this). Their cheesey ability is Harm. Anything with a mere 1 HP can be beaten. If the target has magic resistance cast Rigtous Magic on it first. To remove the last HP use eg. Ring of Ram.
- any character who uses the rogue pool can pass the game EXCEPT the first battle against Melissan. Their cheesy ability is Spike Traps. Any idea how to pass mentioned battle will be appreciated.
- any character who uses the mage (or wizard?) pool can probably pass the game except the first battle against Melissan. Anyone wants to do a playthrough? (theoretical analysis are not considered valid. A dualclassed character is acceptable, if it duals INTO a mage)


Thank you for reading this.

[yoga]

..and You played BG for 5-th time? Or more?

nice experience.

[twillight]

Originally Posted by yoga

..and You played BG for 5-th time? Or more?

nice experience.

I played (not in order, just numbered):
1) avenger druid in vanilla BG2
2) monk with ToB
3) cavalier (paladin) solo BGseries
4) mage/thief dualclass solo BGseries
5) ranger/cleric dualclass solo BGseries (in progress)
6) barbarian solo ToB
7) blade kit (bard) ToB
8) wild mage ToB
9) fighter BG1 (or ToB? I don't remember this clearly)

[yoga]

Originally Posted by twillight

I played (not in order, just numbered):
1) avenger druid in vanilla BG2
2) monk with ToB
3) cavalier (paladin) solo BGseries
4) mage/thief dualclass solo BGseries
5) ranger/cleric dualclass solo BGseries (in progress)
6) barbarian solo ToB
7) blade kit (bard) ToB
8) wild mage ToB
9) fighter BG1 (or ToB? I don't remember this clearly)

Bravo, You are dedicated fan of BG.
I like your long and careful analysis for every different class of protagonist. You dig deep and deep in the details, which is very good info for novice.
I sorry to play only main storyline without ToB and other.
But in the future this may and will be change some day.
Now I will concentrate on the 3-th game of TES - Morrowind.
What You are playing now, if i may politely ask You?

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Do You installed Win 8?
I am with 7 and XP still.

[twillight]

Originally Posted by yoga

I sorry to play only main storyline without ToB and other.
But in the future this may and will be change some day.
Now I will concentrate on the 3-th game of TES - Morrowind.
What You are playing now, if i may politely ask You?

OFF
Do You installed Win 8?
I am with 7 and XP still.

It really worth it if you can aquire it. Will have an eye on you For now go and play that thingy, I already checked your topic.

I don't think Win8 is real. Maybe it is some update of Win7 or something. So no, I did not install it, nor do I plan it. We need a fix operation system, and Win7 was introduced, what a year ago? Maybe one and a half? At least for the wide market. That's nothing.

And I play RL. Sry, no computergames for a while.

[Scatty]

Just a note about few things:

Originally Posted by twillight

- although you can have 100+ resistance against blunt damage, Yaga Shura's fire giants still can damage you! (maxed fire resistance along it don't help neither)

If I remember correctly fire giant's unnamed "monster-weapons" are defined as axes, therefore dealing slash damage, along with some fire damage.

Originally Posted by twillight

Other:
- Shuruppak's plate strangely rises you THAC0 instead lowering it with the +1 DEX.

That is a known issue in the vanilla (even patched) game, fixed with the original Baldurdash's TOB FixPack 1.12. Or you can use DragonLance Total Conversion Editor Pro (DLTCEP) and edit the item in question yourself. I think few other plates also rise your THAC0 without the Fixpack, don't remember which.