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[Sebatianos]

You're have a point, but your looking at it all wrong.

No-one would have anything of their own, but that would be because they would willingly give it to the community. WILLINGLY - they must not be forced into it - that way just wouldn't work.
And if everything is in the ownership of the community then you will have nothing of your own and for the work you will do you will borrow the things you need from the community - so all you will do will in a way belong back to the community.

Do not judge the idea (something that should improve life of all) by it's implementation (something that happened - or is still going on in the people's republics - socialist states or communistic regimes).

[The Niles]

The idea will lead to stagnation and can only work in very undeveloped societies. It works best in agrarian societies where everyone grows their own needs and wants and needs the same things. In a modern society it is impossible because of all the diverse wishes and needs of the people.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by The Picard@Dec 7 2004, 11:06 PM
The idea will lead to stagnation and can only work in very undeveloped societies. It works best in agrarian societies where everyone grows their own needs and wants and needs the same things. In a modern society it is impossible because of all the diverse wishes and needs of the people.

So far that's the only valid point I ever heard against the (idelistic) communism.

You are right, but the way things stand now - well as a historian I fear that were are aware that there's an edge of a cliff somewhere near by and are blindly running towards it.
The way things are going I'm afraid the next dark age is inevedable. We can easily compare the downfall of the Roman empire to the situation we have today (and the mighty empire has fallen already - we just don't know it yet - and I don't mean America, that's just a side product of the collapse).
Look at the stagnation in economy (and the countries that suffer from it are far from being communist...).
Some great change will happen in the not so distant future and we will still be alive to see it - I just hope we won't regret still being alive at that point.

[The Niles]

L.o.l., I rather think not.

[Sebatianos]

Hope your right!

[bohor]

I agree with sebatianos, the capitalism is on the werge of collapse, and than the new era is beggining... :eeeeeh: I think it will be some kind of communism!! (btw communism would have functioned great if it werent for capitalism)

[The Niles]

Originally posted by bohor@Dec 8 2004, 12:45 PM
I agree with sebatianos, the capitalism is on the werge of collapse, and than the new era is beggining... :eeeeeh: I think it will be some kind of communism!! (btw communism would have functioned great if it werent for capitalism)

Why would you think that and why do you blame capatalism for the collapse of communism?

[bohor]

because communism economy cannot function paralel with capitalistic one...
capitalism will crumble because of the oil crisis, and other things...

[Fruit Pie Jones]

Originally posted by bohor@Dec 8 2004, 07:03 AM
because communism economy cannot function paralel with capitalistic one...

So if you're a communist leader, you'd better make darn sure all of your people are 100% committed to communism. How do you do that? Well, you root out the closet capitalists and either have them killed or ship them off to the gulags. Oh, joy! It's best to do this in a high-profile manner, so that any potential dissidents will have no doubts about what becomes of Enemies of the State.

[Sebatianos]

Originally posted by Fruit Pie Jones@Dec 8 2004, 07:52 PM
So if you're a communist leader, you'd better make darn sure all of your people are 100% committed to communism. How do you do that? Well, you root out the closet capitalists and either have them killed or ship them off to the gulags. Oh, joy! It's best to do this in a high-profile manner, so that any potential dissidents will have no doubts about what becomes of Enemies of the State.

NO!
That's been done and it didn't work (but shouldn't have been tried at all).
The real reason communism collapsed (and it acctually didn't - China is still a communist country and the fastest developing country in the world!!!) was the incapability of the leaders.
If there was something wrong they didn't care for the real causes - but just tried to solve it in an unpractical and political way.
Example:
Russia was starving. Russia had a lot of land that was not farmed. Conclusion - farm more land and the people will not starve.
They produced 250% of weath (in comparison to the previous year) but they had to throw 80% away because they lacked the capability to store or prcess it (they haven't built a single mill or a storage fascility - and they were lacking those a year before)!
Those decisions are not the fault of an idea - but of smallbrained dictator regime that will not listen to reason.
BTW - the theory of communisem never said it should have a dictator leading the country!!!